can salycic acid make you break out more? I just started using it a few weeks ago and ever since have been getting horrible breakouts of small pimples all over the lower part of my face.
yes, in my experience, a lot of the salicylic acid products contain other ingredients that may cause you to break out. BUT I MUST TELL YOU, you are supposed to break out the first month or so with using the product. its supposed to bring all the zits to the surface. i haven't been strong enough to do this. However, using SA too much may dry your skin out causing more breakouts and irritated skin. You need a good mositurizer. I haven't found one yet.
Is it drying your skin?? If so put on some moisterizure. I broke out from it b/c my skin was real dry from using Salicylic Acid.
Are you using a salicylic acid cleanser or a lotion or gel? Salicylic acid cleansers are not good. It needs to stay on your skin to really be effective and it can be more irritating when used as a cleanser. I suggest you buy some Panoxyl 5% bar and Neutrogena acne defense lotion. The lotion has salicylic acid in it and the Panoxyl has benzoyl peroxide. You have to order the Panoxyl 5% from a drug store pharmacy to get, because of its limited availability.
sacilyic acid does whatever it wants. none of those products work. dont bother.
[QUOTE=joey_brezinski]sacilyic acid does whatever it wants. none of those products work. dont bother.[/QUOTE]
Meh. Sure they do. Maybe you were using it wrong or maybe it just doen't work for _you_.
joey_brezinski, how do you know all of those products don't work for some people? I have met plenty of people who used some of those brands that did not work for me, but seemed to work for some of them. Sure, most of those products don't work for most people, but you can't speak for everybody. What do you mean by salicylic acid does whatever it wants? If you use salicylic acid by itself chances are it wont work, but if you add benzoyl peroxide in your regimen chances are it just may work. The same goes for benzoyl peroxide in most people. This is because benzoyl peroxide just targets some oil, and bacteria, but not those sticky dead skin cells, and the salicylic acid targets dead skin cells and is anti-inflammatory. So using salicylic acid and benzoyl peroxide targets all of the symptoms of acne. However, you should use a moisturizer that has salicylic acid in it, so you wont dry your skin too much. If you have dry skin I suggest you don't use both, if you have normal or oily skin you should try it. My advice is to never use salicylic acid cleansers. I can't speak for everyone, but most people find the cleanser to be irritating and non effective. Salicylic acid needs to stay on the skin longer to loosen up those sticky dead skin cells, so use a lotion or gel.
[QUOTE=Healthy.J]Are you using a salicylic acid cleanser or a lotion or gel? Salicylic acid cleansers are not good. It needs to stay on your skin to really be effective and it can be more irritating when used as a cleanser. I suggest you buy some Panoxyl 5% bar and Neutrogena acne defense lotion. The lotion has salicylic acid in it and the Panoxyl has benzoyl peroxide. You have to order the Panoxyl 5% from a drug store pharmacy to get, because of its limited availability.[/QUOTE]
Thanks everyone for your replies. I have been using the panoxy bar w/ 10% benzoyl peroxide as a cleanser for a long time (Panoxyl works really good) and the Neutrogena acne defense lotion (2% salycic acid in it) and wear the lotion all day. The first week I wore the lotion, I started breaking out with little zits really bad, but it has since stopped and the pimples are slowly going away. One of the posters was probably right, all that gunk probably did have to come up to the surface!
Keep trying the acne defense lotion with the panoxyl. I am using 5% panoxyl, which is less drying than the 10%. If you find it irritating I suggest you get the 5%. Just go to the Pharmacy or call the pharmacy and order it. Tell them its non-prescription and has limited availability. Also, how do you use the panoxyl? I am wondering if I should let most of the cleanser sink into my skin for more effect or should I just wash it long enough for it to stay on the surface of my skin?
[QUOTE=Healthy.J]Keep trying the acne defense lotion with the panoxyl. I am using 5% panoxyl, which is less drying than the 10%. If you find it irritating I suggest you get the 5%. Just go to the Pharmacy or call the pharmacy and order it. Tell them its non-prescription and has limited availability. Also, how do you use the panoxyl? I am wondering if I should let most of the cleanser sink into my skin for more effect or should I just wash it long enough for it to stay on the surface of my skin?[/QUOTE]
I only use a little bit and I don't leave it on very long when washing, this is because it is the high strength 10% kind. If I leave it on too long, it'll overdry and irritate my skin. It works really well w/ surface pimples using this method and I've been using it for years.
My dad used to use the 10% and make a mask out of it, leaving it on his face for like 10 minutes! I definitely wouldn't suggest doing this w/ the 10%, since it'll overdry your face and irritate it.
I'm not quite sure if leaving it on longer w/ the 5% will help... Sorry I couldn't be more helpful.
What the....? I thought salycic acid was supposed to work, it seems like I just keep breaking out in different spots all over my face, definitely worse than usual. I've been using it a couple of weeks... How long does this stuff usually take to work?
when I started getting bad acne again over a year ago I went on antibiotics and began using sacylic acid cleansers, creams etc.
Antibiotics started working but I concluded that acne stoppped getting better and backed off using both the antibiotics and sacylic acid products. My view is that the sacyilic acid products were not helping at all.
Things that help me at the moment are:
Dermalogica Active Moist
Green Tea twice a day
50mg Zinc once per day.
This combo has done so much better for my acne compared to what antibiotics, sacylic acid and bp products has ever done.
Salicylic acid cleansers don't work for most. They usually make my acne worse. As for the lotions and gels, some make get an allergic or unsuccessful reaction. I now want to stop using any harsh chemicals on my skin. This includes Benzoyl peroxide, salicylic acid and triclosan. Triclosan is an anti-bacterial and anti-microbal chemical. Even though this chemical may cause less irritation than Benzoyl Peroxide (which it does not for me) it is just a harmful and harsh on your skin. It destroys good bacteria and bad bacteria, but the worst thing is that it and other harsh anti-bacterial chemicals have the potential to promote the breeding of a resistant bacteria, that is not effected by anti-bacterial chemicals. Scientists are finding more and more people with a new breed of bacteria, usually cause by the daily use of harsh anti-bacterial chemicals. This is probably why many report a benzoyl peroxide treatment working for a while and then stopping. It forces the breeding of a new bacteria, that is not effected by it. All of these chemicals are messing up my skin. After I used the cetaphil anti-bacterial cleanser my face got itchy and burned a little, when I put the Jojoba on. Other washes that have triclosan are, Cetaphil anti-bacterial, and Dial anti-bacterial soap. Just ****** Triclosan, and also ****** resistant bacteria, and you will find links that deal with the subject of the new drug resistant breed of bacteria.
Salicylic products do work for some people. I have been using Aveeno Foaming Face Wash and Moisturizer and it has been working. I like the feel and it controls my acne. So it does work for some people. Oh by the way, benzoyl peroxide can never become resistent on the skin. It is a proven scientific fact that you cannot become immune to the effects of benzoyl peroxide.
I'm continually amazed by some of the definitively dismissive statements on these boards. Some people seem to have concocted their own theories about the effectiveness of certain therapies purely on the basis of personal experience - this is obviously perfectly ok when it comes to trying to project how certain products might affect one's own skin, but it is scarcely grounds for categorical generalizations. The fact of the matter is, bacteria CANNOT become immune to benzoyl peroxide, which is why it has been a mainstay in acne treatment for over half a century. BP is not an ANTIBIOTIC - it is an antiseptic oxidizing agent that creates an environment in which p.acnes cannot survive. Why certain people do not respond consistently to treatment is beyond me, but perhaps adjusting the concentration would be useful. Nevertheless, the exceptions effectively prove the rule: BP is highly effective in containing uncomplicated breakouts in the vast majority of people who suffer from mild acne. Full stop.
Use your search engine and look up resistant bacteria or benzoyl peroxide resistant bacteria. You say it is a proven scientific fact that benzoyl peroxide cannot breed drug resistant bacteria, but this was the same belief for triclosan some decades ago. Think about how many "facts" and studies that scientists have done, and how years later they say things that contradict that study, because of a little something called human error. As you said the reason why people don't respond is beyond you. You don't know why and scientists don't explain that, do they? Being that neither you, or I know for a fact why BP stops working for some people, I took a guess that like other anti-bacterial chemicals it is PROBABLY creating drug resistant bacteria, like tricolosan. Overall benzoyl peroxide is not good for your skin. It ages you and has a risk of giving you skin cancer. If you use it, it should be used in moderation, and not for too many years. I want to stop using it because it has been messing up my skin.
The difference between triclosan and benzoyl peroxide is that the latter in not an antibacterial agent designed to target specific bacteria. BP releases oxygen into the skin, creating an envirionment in which bacteria cannot survive - decades of clinical experience have shown that BP can actually reduce bacterial resistance that has arisen as a result of prolonged antibiotic therapy. Don't get me wrong - I can entirely understand your desire to stop treatment: BP can be very irritating, can produce allergic reactions in a minority of users, and, as you say, has been known to promote premature ageing of the skin if one does not moisturize adequately (this is particularly true of women, whose skin cannot withstand higher concentrations nearly as readily). It is also true that BP's effectiveness can depend upon how one prepares the skin prior to application - i.e., the kind of cleanser one uses. Nevertheless, the fact remains that the bacteria responsible for acne in most people (p.acnes - which naturally inhabit the skin of all healthy people) cannot multiply in an oxidized environment.
Maybe youíre right about bacteria not being able to survive in an oxidized environment, but the question is why does it suddenly stop working for so many? If the bacteria cannot survive and it works at first why does it suddenly stop? There may be other explanations, but the fact that so many report this sudden end of BP working for them, shows some type of resistance, right? The only reason I say this is because that's the only clear explanation I can think of and other anti-bacterials do this to some people. I mean, sure the original bacteria cannot survive in that environment, but this new breed of bacteria is different from normal bacteria. It is very resistant to any anti-bacterials (evolution can be a *****, lol). No matter the case, benzoyl peroxide is not for me. I am too young to be having dull free radical infested skin. I am trying the basis vitamin bar cleanser now. Hopefully this new cleanser wont clog my pores, because it is not irritating. I also stopped using that salicylic acid, because I noticed my acne scars getting worse, which is known to happen to people with dark complexions, using BHA. The jojoba oil does not seem to moisturize good enough for me. I may start using Suave vitamin e/multi-vitamin lotion (not vitamin e oil) instead. Hopefully I can find a "natural" healthy cleanser that does not clog my pores, so I wonít have to use that BP again!
I'd be the first to admit that I'm hardly in a position to comment authoritatively on the sometimes inconsistent results with BP, but I suspect it is probably attributable to the fact that there are other accompanying factors - in addition to the build-up of bacteria - that contribute to the formation of acne, and which BP may not always defend against as effectively (the irregular shedding of dead skin cells, for instance). There are other variables to consider as well: I personally have found that the skin must be entirely dry before application, and, as I mentioned before, certain kinds of cleansers can optimize its effectiveness. At any rate, the other potential hazards are numerous and I can totally sympathize with your desire to get off it. Good luck with whatever new regime you decide upon.