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Hello,

It is to my pleasure to re-visit this board after 3 years of constant reading on this board, From many well informed sources such as SweetJade and Other smart contributors,
I have stopped the acne process since 2002, It is still there, I can turn it back on any time I do not follow my "Healthy" regime.

Let me tell you a little about myself
I am 23 years old, almost 24 years old, I've had acne since I was 13, It terrorized my life and motivated me in other extents.
The internet brought on much discussion about how to treat acne which I thank the people for their contributions.
Now that I have went through every single method treatment possible, I have seen it all and tested them all.
I have taken accutane 3 times, I have been on b5,
Both work tremondously well I must say, but my acne was always coming back.
I have oily skin.

I am now 99% clear, although anytime I do not follow my unhealthy living process, acne will come back.

I truely believe, if I have not discovered the multiple steps to stop acne, I would have acne till I am 35 years old or older.


So to all the 21+ year old people who still have acne WITH oily skin, this is a hormonal issue, if you would like me to elaborate on how to clear your acne naturally once and for all without crazy diets , washes , etc.


All the steps required do not require a penny being spent, it does require determination and diligence.



Please reply to this thread so I know there are some interests so I can continue and help the masses learn on what is the cause of acne.
i agree with u that this is hormonal...androgens...testosterone.the sebasious glands are hormonally controlled by this sex hormone.it doesnt matter where on the body it is...it is all hormonal acne.i went on spiro almost 3 years ago and my facial and body acne all cleared up at once.the debate is which way is the best way to balance this hormone in your body.if the sweet jade diet plan works for u...go for it.it will be healthier for u in the long run instead of using anti-androgens like me.
yea man i'd like some advice... i'm currently trying low carb diet and taking pills to cleanse out my system daily.. you can read the huge thread on it.. i'm 23 and still trying to deal with this annoyance
I'm interested- Im your exact same age, have always had oily, somewhat breakout-prone skin, and I know its hormonal, because it gets worse around my period, and my current birth control has given me horrible skin right now that Im struggling over. I have been trying lots of stuff the past month and a half and really would like help with the hormone problem. The only thing that worked for me in the past was doryx (which I took when I stopped getting my period- again, hormonal), but im immune to it now.
Are you talking about PCOS? Please yes elaborate, i think mine too is hormonal. I took accutane twice. Now i'm so sick of everything all that i do these past weeks is lemonade and baking soda.
I'm interested. I definitely have hormonal acne. I'm 22 and it seems to have changed in character, more on my cheeks and jawline now, and and bad breakouts around my period. I've also been on Accutane, antibiotics, lots of topicals, natural supplements, and even light therapy, and it never improves. So, I'm always looking for another way to beat this!!
Ok, Let me start by explaining the acne process.

This is for **oily skin patients** with acne over 21+
This requires cooking and self preparation of meals.



Acne process:
1) All oily skin patients 99% have excessive testerone,

Excessive testerone means your body will not produce the insulin/chemicals to metabolize the CARBOHYDRATES you eat in your body.


2) What increases testerone?
Sexual intercourse/masturbation
Stress

What decreases testerone?
Aging (older people have lower testerone)
Exercising

What happens when my testerone doesn't reduce as I age?
This is us, 21+ over with acne.

3) What does testerone have to do with oily skin?

More testerone = Less body chemicals/insulin to metabolize carbohydrates.



EXPERIEMENT#1: How to lower/decrease your skin oil in 2-3 days.


This will take 3 days, because carbohydrates likes to stay in the body for 2 whole days.


The body requires carbohydrates to survive or you will start getting withdrawals.

For the experiement we will reduce carbohydrates for 2 days to LOW! (We will increase this later to stay healthy!) . You will feel withdrawals, this is normal, just hold on.



Supplies: Lettuce/ broccolli / vegetables any greens
Steak/ Chicken / Eggs /


Morning #1 ) Cook your vegetables with meats

Portion size: two fist full, NO MORE!
Your skin will produce oil if you overeat.

In between snacks : small portions of vegs/meats

Lunch #2: Same

In between snacks: small portions of vegs/meats

Dinner #3: Vegs + Meats + half slice of whole wheat bread

Run or lift weights if you eat the half whole wheat slice of bread *IMPORTANT*

Remeber carbohydrates require you to burn/exercise it off, if you do not, the carbohydrates will turn into OIL ON YOUR FACE.

The body stores any excess carbs as FAT

unfortunately we acne users, get it on our FACE instead of our hips or butt or stomach.



Do this for 2 days, you will see decreased oil on your face.




Note #1: This is not a complete erasure of carbs. Our body NEEDS carbs to function properly. This is only the experiement.

Note #2: Watch your portion size, during main meals 2 fist sizes MAX , anything more will result in excessive CALORIES which will be converted into FAT/oil to your face.


Try the experiement, you have nothing to lose other then less oil on your face.


I will answer any questions now.
i might go with a mix of the diet and anti-androgens especially if the acne is severe.i agree if u can clear your skin with this diet....go with it....it will be a lot healthier for u....but the big question is.....do most people have the will power to stick with it.its a lot of work.
joeh,

This is not the diet, this is only the experiement :)

I know what you are thinking "Theres no way I can ever sustain that" - I AGREE! But this is only for 2 days.

Because you want to know if your body actually responds to this kind of withdrawal so you can take it further.

We will increase to the food lots once we know your body does decrease oil production when you withdrawal carbs from it.

I don't believe in diets, because I know myself that eating just meats and vegetables can make you very withdrawalal like and your body requires carbs such as bread , rice , and fruits and other goodies to stay healthy.

I stress, I don't believe in diets, Life can't be lived just eating meats and vegetables. This is only the experiement diet to know if your body responds to carb intake withdrawal.
Maintaining healthy skin, requires more then just diet.

I dieted well, but it never cleared my acne 99% , maybe 75% , and it made me feel like CRAP Everyday,

Life is not worth living with clear skin but you can't eat nothing! I hated it.

Less oil definately produces less acne, but still you will still produce some oil.

This is the key in maintaining a healthy and happy body, Dieting is not healthy, I would never recommend it.

There are more things such as pore excretion and excretion in general to keep the body healthy.

I will elaborate further , Anybody have questions I will answer them right now.
Main Goal To understand:

We acne prone sufferers have extra work to do.

You have to tell yourself "I am ready to put in extra effort to keep my skin clear, but it will be clear and I will be very healthy at the same time"



While we can blame the world, Everybody has their issues,
Some people are born blind, some people are born with a club foot, Some people are born retarded. Some people are fat.

Everybody has to work at something.

We are born with a body that does not metabolize carbohydrates correctly.

This is very similar to diabetics, We just have skin diabetics.


If we understand the faults of our body: "can not metabolize carbs correctly therefore producing more skin oil"

We are already half way to our goal.

Now we have to break down exactly how do we put our body at equilibirum but still feel NORMAL? still feel GOOD?
still feel like we aren't starving ourselves from the restaurants we love.

This is the question I've struggled for a long time and have figured out every single specifics on what effects oil production and pore clogging.

Any questions ask and I will answer.
I understand the usefulness of Accutane, B5 , spiro, and other VERY EFFECTIVE medicines,

I so agree they are so effective, I loved accutane like it was like my 2nd brother. It was a gift from god to me. I went on my last course even without a note and paid cash for it $500 a month. I was desperate.

After being on a few courses of them (being completely clear while on them) I've decided I was addicted to this strong medicine.

That I can not continue taking these medicines for life, This is not normal, This will hurt me in the long run.


I need to change, I need to change god damnit, I WANT TO CHANGE. I don't want to live like this.


On goes a journey of 2-3 years to find my solution.
so no carbs.. i've been trying it but never really got to 0 carbs.. maybe like 30 a day.. which is very low.. i think it has helped but i'm not sure if it will completely clear me if i do 0 carbs.. its a hard thing to do.
Soupyhead,
Thats the issue, Believe it or not, you need to eat carbs to actually have clear skin!

Can you state your exercising habits/ sweating habits?
Can you state what do you eat mornining , lunch dinner

How old are you etc/general information.

so I can understand you better.

Not eating carbs does not reduce acne! it does reduce oily skin.

That is the difference!
I have nothing to add reallly, but after reading this, I just want to clear up a few things ......eating what is listed here is NOT 0 carbs.

Brocolli has 4 gr carbs per serving (fist) .....ALL veggies have carbs, however, they are the "good carbs" not the sugar, refined bad carbs.

NO ONE should eat 0 carbs, even for 2 days. The MINIMUM amount of carbs you should intake (but still using the GOOD carbs) is 20 per day.

I do follow the LC diet and it has cleared my skin .......but there is no REASON to drop your carbs below 20 and actually is NOT healthy.

Rule of thumb .....cut out anything white .....no bread, no pasta, no flour, no rice, no sugar ..........if you're drinking diet soda, or items labeled "sugar free" they are still using artificial sweetner and should also be cut out for at least two weeks. Lean meats, eggs, all green veggies, most veggies really, except the starchy and/or root veggies .....carrotts, etc.

You must also drink ALOT of water as this will flush the bad things out of your system.

Eventually you add more veggies / fruit / some grains into your diet.

However, even two days of 0 carbs is NOT healthy.
Interesting stuff. Keep it coming. I definately fit the profile.

A few questions:
- Where does Milk (Dairy) fall into all of this?

- You mention B5 as a successful treatment, so why did you stop taking it? Personally it worked wonders for me but I started to have some signs of hairloss which scared me off of it.

- What is your opinion of pantenthine compared to B5?

I realize the last 2 questions really have nothing to do with your thread here, but I'd be interested in hearing your opinions as it seems you have been around the block when it comes to treatments.

Looking forward to hearing the rest of your solution.
Please continue...
love to know where this is going if the "no" carb thing is not your answer....
thanks for the advice so far, i am going to start my two day diet tomorrow. wish me luck and please continue!
WOW!

now that i read your posts IWillHelpYou, i realised that almost all the stuff you said is ture at least with me.

i had a very oily skin. infact, once a derm told me that i was one of the very few teens he had seen with such oily skin (i was 14 by then)....... i used to masturbate alot.
and now when i decided to quit masturbating, my skin is less oily.
i have double chin and a lil big belly although i was thin, my friend told me it was becuase of masturbation and now after reading about testrones, this does make sens.

i am going to start this diet tomorrow and wish me luck.
i will be waiting for you to continue.

Thank You By the way.

P-S. i tried Asprin mask, and it worked wonders but i am afriad it wont last long and my skin and acne will get used to it and re-appear.
[QUOTE=thesedays]I have nothing to add reallly, but after reading this, I just want to clear up a few things ......eating what is listed here is NOT 0 carbs.

Brocolli has 4 gr carbs per serving (fist) .....ALL veggies have carbs, however, they are the "good carbs" not the sugar, refined bad carbs.

Rule of thumb .....cut out anything white .....no bread, no pasta, no flour, no rice, no sugar ..........if you're drinking diet soda, or items labeled "sugar free" they are still using artificial sweetner and should also be cut out for at least two weeks. Lean meats, eggs, all green veggies, most veggies really, except the starchy and/or root veggies .....carrotts, etc.

You must also drink ALOT of water as this will flush the bad things out of your system.

Eventually you add more veggies / fruit / some grains into your diet.

However, even two days of 0 carbs is NOT healthy.[/QUOTE]

1) What you say is all true, I do not recommend a 0 carb diet, You can eat vegetables + Meat.

This is just an experiement to test if your skin reduces oil.


Good addition to the thread though, thank you.
[QUOTE=smite]
A few questions:
- Where does Milk (Dairy) fall into all of this?

- You mention B5 as a successful treatment, so why did you stop taking it? Personally it worked wonders for me but I started to have some signs of hairloss which scared me off of it.

- What is your opinion of pantenthine compared to B5?
[/QUOTE]

MILK - I drink milk only before I workout or run, Remember, milk helps young kids grow, why? they increase testerone, Of course you can still drink milk, only if you work out 30 minutes RIGHT after you drink it.

I recommend you try low/no fat yogurt (no sugar additions)

B5- I used B5 for almost 2 years, I recommend it whole heartly, B5 helps metabolizes carbs, unfortunately it stoped working for me much, so I stoped using it, It seems my body got used to it. I recommend anybody to use B5 with this type of diet, It will speed up your success rate. I never used panthetitine.
[QUOTE=ksaguy]
i had a very oily skin. infact, once a derm told me that i was one of the very few teens he had seen with such oily skin (i was 14 by then)....... i used to masturbate alot.
and now when i decided to quit masturbating, my skin is less oily.

i am going to start this diet tomorrow and wish me luck.
i will be waiting for you to continue.

.[/QUOTE]


Hello Ksaguy,

I feel your pain really, the key to continue masturbation/sexual intercourse is , after you do the task, for 3-5 days your hormones will be out of wack,

During this time for 3-5 days after, I usually workout even more to calm down my hormones.

Remember exercise calms hormones. While it might not clear everything up, it decreases it.

When your hormones are out of wack, you tend to:
a) eat more (get more hungrier)
why people eat after sex
b) more horny (more testorone)

The more you eat, the more calories, no exercise, ends up on our face.

Unfortunately thats how us ACNE-PRONE males or even females (periods) end up with.

People with normal metabolization do not have this problem.

Solution: Exercise more for 2-3 days after you do your thing.
Confused: I'm glad you will be testing out


THE EXPERIEMENT re-explained:

1) Note down how oily your face is usually after a normal meal. You should know by touching your face anyway :D

2) Do the meat and vegetables meal
- No white bread, no pasta, no rice, only vegs and meats
- only green vegetables and meat
- don't cook with too much oil, normal canola oil just a teaspoon, hell if you can cook with no oil the better
- Eat morning / lunch / dinner
- Drink 1 bottle of water every 2 hours This will flush out the bad things as a very informed poster has mentioned (I forgot to mention this)
- Portion size, 2 fist fulls max, If you eat between meals, lower it to 1.5 fist fulls or 1 fist, Remmeber, EXTRA CALORIES YOU DO NOT BURN = OIL ON YOUR FACE!

-Example: I sit at my computer for 7 hours in the morning, during that 7 hours I will only eat one meal for brunch (1.5 fistfulls) 3 snacks in between once every 1.5 hours.
At dinner, When I can workout after a meal, I will eat 2 fistfulls and some carbs or pasta , After I eat I EXERCISE!




3)
*** important ****
- Try to eat in between snacks (vegs/meats as well)
Small snacks once every hour, maybe a piece of meat with a big lettuce wrapped around it.
this way your body can cope with the carb drawdown.
*** important ****

4) 2 days later, re-note your skin, is it less oily?
How much less oily?
If it is less oily, this is the key, you are on your way to clear skin.

Your skin will not clear up immediately, But this is the key, you need less oil on your skin to clear up.

If you have moderate acne, you will need 3 weeks to clear up your skin mininum.

If you have mild acne, you will need 1.5 weeks to clear up your skin mininum.


DIET IS ONLY THe 1st PART OF THE SOLUTION.

The next steps are: MEASURING,UPKEEP / Sweating/ Exercising (not for what you think its for our pleasure! Its how we can eat good food!)
After you have tested your 2 day experiement and know your can lower your oil production on your skin.


PORE CLEANSING ROUTINE. 2 methods.


You can pore cleanse 2 ways.

1) Exercise Run for 1-3 miles (best way) , Lift weights (I know this is not possible for girls), You must sweat profusely (Profusely= Whole tshirt wet)

If you skin does not sweat easily, use Step #2 steamroom.

I workout everyday, either lifting weights or exercising running right after I eat a meal with carbs (pasta etc..)

Yes I know this is tiring, but god damnit, we have acne, Fortunatently,
I ended up with a more musclar body and no depression , no headaches, just HEALTHY.


2) SAUNER OR STEAMROOM at your gym.

You need to get a membership at a gym or YMCA with a sauna or steam room,

I prefer steamroom.

Steam rooms will cleanse your pores,

YOU MUST DO THIS, EITHER SWEAT PROFUSELY running or STEAM ROOM.


After steam room, you should RUN or do light workouts, why?

I've noticed that after I am in the steam room my blood pressure is high, high blood pressure = stress to body, stress to body = oily skin, the good thing is my pores are cleaned out and there not much infection to happen even if I do have oily skin for that night. Your high blood pressure should subside in 2 hours.



I just run a mile after,
guys: YOU SHOULD LIFT WEIGHTS. This will help you metabolize more carbs!

girls : can lift a few weights nice and toned, buns of steel! :D , maybe do some yoga or aerobics. or swimming.



Conclusion:

1) You can either cleanse your pores through sweating through normal workouts, or sweating through a steam room.

YOU NEED TO SWEAT TO EXCRETE THE OIL/BACTERIA/CRAP OUT OF YOUR PORES.
When I was experimenting for quite a few years,

Every time I thought I had acne kicked out of my system whether it was b5, accutane, diets, whatever, It would always come back, I would be so happy for 5 days,

The joy in my life when I had clear skin, I can not explain, it is the best feeling in the world, I don't know how lucky clear skin people have it, but anytime I have clear skin, I feel like I AM IN HEAVEN, THANK THE GODS, I AM IN HEAVEN! You don't need to give me anything, just standing around without looking like a freak = HEAVEN TO ME.

Sadly the the acne would then come back the next day or after the treatment and I'd become more depressed then an orphan with no gifts on christmas day.

My motivation to continue drops everytime I fail,
the struggle, I can't stop, this is my life, I don't want to be locked in my house for the rest of my life, I need to beat this , I NEED TO BEAT THIS, Get up tomorrow and rethink what you did wrong.

Winners never quit, and quitters never win.

I will win this.

I kept notes , researched the glyecimic charts,.

I tried to cut out bread, ate vegs and rice, still oily, I tried to cut out rice, ate wendys salads and meat, worked ok but still acne, but much less, I love eating at Diners, I love my biscuits, why can't I eat it, man I just want to live a normal life, argh I HATE MY LIFE!
I masturbate, I get more acne, I eat I get acne, this freaking sucks, I might as well just be holed up with saddam in his hole and I'd live better. I exercise but I don't eat right, I get acne. Less I eat (starvation diet) the more acne I get NOT HEALTHY! :((

After this constant back and forth, one day a lightbulb popped..

well if I know
- eating well reduces acne
- exercising till I sweat reduces acne
- sweating cleans out pores

but I never tried both or all three at the same time for some reason,

What if I combine both, The results must be different.

And it is, one week I did them all, It was spectacular, I thank the gods and this is the start of perfecting the regime.


The HEALTHY REGIME
"Not easy, Nothing long lasting comes easy"


:angel: :angel: :angel: :angel: :bouncing: :bouncing:
cool man.. well i've been eating healthy for awhile and i'm getting used to it.. but i never run or sweat.. i'm kind of skeptical about the sweating part helping to clean out your pores.. i mean why not just use a face cleanser and wash your face real good? i do workout and lift weights a couple times a week but maybe i should increase that....so the idea is you really dont even need to work out you think but you just need to sweat a lot? or both because working out burns carbs & makes you sweat which cleans your pores.
testosterone.....androgens....human sex hormone.....
hey iwillhelpyou: i guess i just got a few questions

1. around how many carbs do you eat per day? in grams

2. how often do you run or lift weights?

3. how much water do you drink?

4. Having sex/masterbation is also stress reducer and exercise at the same time..what do you think about the pros/cons.. have you or ANYONE noticed any correlation with acne?
[QUOTE=soupyhead]hey iwillhelpyou: i guess i just got a few questions

1. around how many carbs do you eat per day? in grams

2. how often do you run or lift weights?

3. how much water do you drink?

4. Having sex/masterbation is also stress reducer and exercise at the same time..what do you think about the pros/cons.. have you or ANYONE noticed any correlation with acne?[/QUOTE]


1) I eat lots of vegetables a day, and During lunch and dinner, I eat maybe a palm of pasta, or palm of rice, or 1 slice of bread (that should be around 10-15 g of carbs)

On the weekends, I will usuaully eat well at a restaurant, lets say chicken alfredo pasta,

but when I get home, its running for a mininum of 30 minutes, (lots of sweat required)

If you want to flip it around and you have a date at dinner, you'd probably eat well at lunch, and eat no carbs at dinner so you don't have to work out right after.
You need to know whe you can workout so you can eat your carbs,

If you work at an office all day, you can only eat some carbs in the morning and workout right after and go to work.


2) I run every morning, because I like to eat some carbs in the morning,
I workout after EVERYTIME I eat carbs (which is every dinner meal),
The more carbs I eat, the MORE I workout,

This is the *KEY* to maintaining this regime.

You can eat anything you want, but the richer you eat (pasta/bread/muffins) the more you have to work out.

Its that simple, you eat a muffin with 300 calories, be prepared to run for 30 minutes.

You eat at a chinese buffet and stuff yourself with 4 plates of carbs, be prepared to workout for 1-2 hours.

After awhile, it gets kind of fun actually. THE KEY IS LIVING LIFE AND NOT MISSING OUT ON ANYTHING.
This way you can EAT anything you want.


3) I drink an average amount of water, at least half a gallon a day.
so around a 12 ounce every 1.5 hours.


4) soupyhead:
Having sex/masterbation is also stress reducer
This is correct, except sex/masturbation increases testerone. That generates more oil on your skin.
Most people deny it, Many people including me have first hand experience in seeing more oil production 2-4 days right after the deed.
I'm not saying you can't have sex, you just need to work out even more after.


The key is knowing:

Eating Carbs = PLEASURE
Pleasure = requires EFFORT (exercise after)

Or it'll be
PLEASURE PLEASURE PLEASURE PLEASURE = NO EQUILIBURIUM -> ACNE

PLEASURE , EFFORT, PLEASURE ,EFFORT = EQUILIBURIUM
[QUOTE=soupyhead]i'm kind of skeptical about the sweating part helping to clean out your pores.. i mean why not just use a face cleanser and wash your face real good? so the idea is you really dont even need to work out you think but you just need to sweat a lot? or both because working out burns carbs & makes you sweat which cleans your pores.[/QUOTE]

Hello Soupyhead,

You bring up another spectacular question,
Sweating is the BIGGEST part of this regime,

Oil is outputted from your skin, when you sweat you output the oil and other bacteria without it being clogged up,
Its like a facuet, lets say the faucet has some clogged up crap inside it,

IF you flush it with water, you will flush out the clogged stuff.

But if you never flush it, and you just let it stick there, it will clog up and manifest into bacteria.


Idea behind lifting weights:
More muscles you have, the more carbs you burn!
Muscles burn carbs , more Pleasure I can eat, More better you look!
[QUOTE=Iwillhelpyou]Hello Ksaguy,

I feel your pain really, the key to continue masturbation/sexual intercourse is , after you do the task, for 3-5 days your hormones will be out of wack,

During this time for 3-5 days after, I usually workout even more to calm down my hormones.

Remember exercise calms hormones. While it might not clear everything up, it decreases it.

When your hormones are out of wack, you tend to:
a) eat more (get more hungrier)
why people eat after sex
b) more horny (more testorone)

The more you eat, the more calories, no exercise, ends up on our face.

Unfortunately thats how us ACNE-PRONE males or even females (periods) end up with.

People with normal metabolization do not have this problem.

Solution: Exercise more for 2-3 days after you do your thing.[/QUOTE]
Thank you very much IWillHelpYou.
This thread is really cool. convinced me to change my lifestyle a little bit.

Since this is helping so much, can i ask you something? actually two things:
1. Will i also loose fats around my face and chin? i know its Oil reducing but i guess its related. or do you have any better suggestion for face fat?

2. i have a sprained ankle, so i have to take Ibrufen, is it ok to take it? i mean will it have any effect on my diet and also, due to this i will be doing all the exercising without usins one leg. lol. but i am sure i will sweat alot, will it help?

i know these are really dumb questions but hope to find the answers.
Thank you once again.
You said:

") All oily skin patients 99% have excessive testerone,

Excessive testerone means your body will not produce the insulin/chemicals to metabolize the CARBOHYDRATES you eat in your body." quoted.

I say:

This is why people with PCOS take metformin, which increases insulin in the body. Anyone with this problem with bodies that don't produce the insulin/chemicals to metabolize properly- should go to an endocrinologist and see a solution to this problem.

Once again, dieting/excersising/ etc is just curing symptoms- not solving the problem itself.

The problem's still there.
That's my opinion anyway.
[QUOTE=hmahappy]You said:

") All oily skin patients 99% have excessive testerone,

Excessive testerone means your body will not produce the insulin/chemicals to metabolize the CARBOHYDRATES you eat in your body." quoted.

I say:

This is why people with PCOS take metformin, which increases insulin in the body. Anyone with this problem with bodies that don't produce the insulin/chemicals to metabolize properly- should go to an endocrinologist and see a solution to this problem.

Once again, dieting/excersising/ etc is just curing symptoms- not solving the problem itself.

The problem's still there.
That's my opinion anyway.[/QUOTE]

Pills never solve a problem, unless it's a genetic defect, and even then, everything should be done before you try pills.
[QUOTE=Iwillhelpyou]Hello,

It is to my pleasure to re-visit this board after 3 years of constant reading on this board, From many well informed sources such as SweetJade and Other smart contributors,
I have stopped the acne process since 2002, It is still there, I can turn it back on any time I do not follow my "Healthy" regime.

Let me tell you a little about myself
I am 23 years old, almost 24 years old, I've had acne since I was 13, It terrorized my life and motivated me in other extents.
The internet brought on much discussion about how to treat acne which I thank the people for their contributions.
Now that I have went through every single method treatment possible, I have seen it all and tested them all.
I have taken accutane 3 times, I have been on b5,
Both work tremondously well I must say, but my acne was always coming back.
I have oily skin.

I am now 99% clear, although anytime I do not follow my unhealthy living process, acne will come back.

I truely believe, if I have not discovered the multiple steps to stop acne, I would have acne till I am 35 years old or older.


So to all the 21+ year old people who still have acne WITH oily skin, this is a hormonal issue, if you would like me to elaborate on how to clear your acne naturally once and for all without crazy diets , washes , etc.


All the steps required do not require a penny being spent, it does require determination and diligence.



Please reply to this thread so I know there are some interests so I can continue and help the masses learn on what is the cause of acne.[/QUOTE]


So what do you think of fat? I like hard-boiled eggs with the yolk. Is eating 3 or 4 of those ok? Is that too much fat? I'm not scared of fat when it concerns overall health, as I am pretty healthy aside from the acne. Just wondering if all that fat will be bad for the skin.
what do you think about sweating by sitting in the sun? for example going to the beach.

so you try to workout after every meal that involves more than a few carbs.. but how often a week do you 'sweat it out'
hmm this is interesting and makes sense, but i heard your testosterone increases when you work out instead of decreasing like you said...im confused.
yea i read that also after doing research...
Hmm, well I am kind of in the "treat the cause not the symptom" boat, but I'm finding this very interesting nonetheless.

- So how does Glycemic Index/Load fit in to your theory? If I eat only complex carbs with low GL, do I still need to exercise after a meal?

- I am a person who cannot gain weight no matter how much I eat. I am hungry a few hours after pretty much any meal. Under your theory it would seem to explain that increased testosterone is the cause for my hunger. Exercise, weight lifting, and eating the portions you suggest, is it even possible to gain weight?

- As omega mentioned, it's also my understanding that weight lifting increases testosterone. Wouldn't this be counter productive?

Thanks.
Hi all,
Great discussion here. I agree with most of this, but there are a few things I'd like to clarify.

[B]1)[/B] A "Diet" is what you consume on a daily basis, so perhaps what some, I know I do, don't believe in are temporary, short-term or "Fad Diets"?

[B]2) [/B] Carbohydrates are "Sugars", Starches, & Fibers and as such include:
A) Sugar/Sucrose, Glucose/Dextrose, Honey, Brown Rice Syrup (among several other types of sugars)
B) Vegetables
C) Fruits
D) Grains
E) Legumes
F) Nuts
G) Seeds

Most acne sufferers and people in general should do well on a Low - Moderate Carbohydrate Diet (I Mod-Carb it). The goal on these diets is to eat more complex carbohydrates (for the increased fiber & nutrients), but if you pay attention to the [B]Insulin Index [/B] vs. the Glycemic Index or Glycemic Load you will find that some complex carbs raise insulin levels more than expected. On the other hand, there are also foods that don't stimulate as much insulin and/or are low on the glycemic index and people still have problems with them. Therefore, some acne sufferers will find that it's not always just about the sugar or insulin, but some other property of a food (antigenic protein, trans fat, etc) that induces a reaction (acne) in them.

[B]3)[/B] Dairy products are avoided because they are highly Insulinotropic or insulin stimulating. Skim Milk is the worst of them due to it's extra Whey Proten content. (Certain) Proteins have the ability to raise "insulin" by increasing IGF-1 (10x as potent as insulin). IGF-1 is largely involved in anabolic or building structures in the body such as muscles, cells, skin cells, oil glands, etc. Know what accutane does? It lowers our IGF-1 content as well as a few other things that we are fully capable of doing if we can just figure out the "right" diet for ourselves as [U]individuals[/U]. (Organic) Fermented Dairy products may work, but make sure it doesn't contain any added sweeteners.

[B]4)[/B] The theory behind following a low or moderate carbohydrate diet is to LOWER our insulin production. Insulin & Testosterone go hand in hand, they are anabolic hormones. So if you have High Free Testosterone levels, chances are you also have HIGH Insulin Levels, but it could also be due to another hormonal disorder that's indirectly related to Glucose Intolerance. Therefore, Metaformin/Glucophage works by [U]reducing[/U] the amount of Insulin secreted by the pancreas.

[B]5) [/B] These diets don't just lower testosterone hormones, they also lower estrogen hormones for those that are "estrogen dominant" or are experiencing Andropause (male menopause). Therefore what these diets do is basically try to correct whatever your particular imbalance may be, whether it is to balance your hormones, reduce inflammation, prevent hyperproliferation (think cancer), reduce hyperkeritnization (think clogged pores), etc. The more personally tailored to [U]you[/U] your diet is, the better your results.


[B]6) [/B] Ask any body builder and they will tell ya that they Carb Load (High carb meals) drink Whey Shakes, take Aromatase inhibitors (reduces estrogen & increases Free Testosterone), etc in order to boost Insulin and/or Testosterone production. So this is one way that you can increase these hormones via working out. Another way is to do lots of heavy lifting, really quickly, for short periods of time so that your body is in an Anaerobic State.

Now if you are in an [B]Aerobic State[/B], moderate to vigorous exercise at a less agressive pace for longer periods of time, will help your cells respond better to insulin, thus less insulin is secreted. Futhermore, it will also help reduce certain inflammatory products. Aside from taking Omega 3s, R-ALA, [U]vigorous exericising[/U] is supposed one of the best ways to help acne sufferers "cheat". However you must eat your "cheat food" and then exercise immediately after to prevent a break out, otherwise it will occur.


[B]7)[/B] Yes, sexual activity is a form of exercise and stress release and as such is just as good as exercise. Most people and most acne sufferers find that they don't break out from sexual activity, but some do. If you are one of these individuals it may be due to one or more of the following:

Zinc defficiency
Aromatase defficiency
Excess inflammatory products
Weak detoxification system.

Altering your diet will help reduce the excess inflammatory products and aromatase defficiency and adding Zinc Sulfate/Gluconate/Monomethione should help if low in zinc. Also taking other anti-inflammatories such as antioxidant rich teas, B5 or Pantethine, Omega 3s, R-ALA, Niacan, Guggul, Boswellia, Zinc, among others can help reduce inflammation as well as increase detoxification. Or you can try doing liver flushes, candida cleanses, bowel cleanses etc (do a search on the board) for more indepth detoxing.

[B]8)[/B] You can be underweight or overweight and still have Glucose Intolerance problems. When you are [U]overweight[/U] it is because your body is [U]unable[/U] to get the energy it needs from glucose, hence Insulin Resistance/Hyperinsulinism, and so you continue to eat more and more in hopes of getting that energy. However, what happens is that because you are unable to metabolize glucose effectively, BUT are able to produce lots of Insulin (unlike a Type I Diabetic) glucose is stored as Cholesterol or more body fat instead. For those that are [U]underweight[/U] it is the along the same lines, only our excess fat or cholesterol turns into excess hormones and inflammatory products.


[B]9) [/B] Wanna know if you are Glucose Intolerant, especially Insulin Resistant (IR)? Well if one or more of the following are true, it's likely that you are or at risk:

Going through Puberty? (IR is temporary)
Had Precocious Puberty (started at age 8 or younger)
Born Premature?
Born small for Gestational Age?
Born of low birth weight?
Passive/Second Hand Smoker? (raised in a smoking household)
Mother smoked while pregnant with you?
You smoke?
Family history of Type II Diabetes?
Have excess abdominal fat?
Have Acanthosis Nigricans (99% of people with IR have this)?
Lead a sedentary lifestyle?
Eat a diet void of nutrients, low in (soluble fiber) and high in (trans) fat?


Of course, everyone is different and not everyone has problems with sugars or starches, but there may be some other food that is a problem for which you will have to investigate what that food could possibly be. Also, we can't avoid a food just because it raises insulin, IGF-1, etc as all foods do. Yet we can try to reduce/avoid foods that raise these hormones, growth factors, and inflammatory products the [U]most signficantly [/U] compared to other foods.

Best wishes :)
i'm still confused about the working out thing.. talking about increasing hormones by working out but we want to decrease the hormones dont we? and also i previously asked the poster about the sweating thing.. is sweating in any way good or do you think it should come by exercise?
[QUOTE=SweetJade1]Hi all,
Great discussion here. I agree with most of this, but there are a few things I'd like to clarify.

[B]1)[/B] A "Diet" is what you consume on a daily basis, so perhaps what some, I know I do, don't believe in are temporary, short-term or "Fad Diets"?

[B]2) [/B] Carbohydrates are "Sugars", Starches, & Fibers and as such include:
A) Sugar/Sucrose, Glucose/Dextrose, Honey, Brown Rice Syrup (among several other types of sugars)
B) Vegetables
C) Fruits
D) Grains
E) Legumes
F) Nuts
G) Seeds

Most acne sufferers and people in general should do well on a Low - Moderate Carbohydrate Diet (I Mod-Carb it). The goal on these diets is to eat more complex carbohydrates (for the increased fiber & nutrients), but if you pay attention to the [B]Insulin Index [/B] vs. the Glycemic Index or Glycemic Load you will find that some complex carbs raise insulin levels more than expected. On the other hand, there are also foods that don't stimulate as much insulin and/or are low on the glycemic index and people still have problems with them. Therefore, some acne sufferers will find that it's not always just about the sugar or insulin, but some other property of a food (antigenic protein, trans fat, etc) that induces a reaction (acne) in them.

[B]3)[/B] Dairy products are avoided because they are highly Insulinotropic or insulin stimulating. Skim Milk is the worst of them due to it's extra Whey Proten content. (Certain) Proteins have the ability to raise "insulin" by increasing IGF-1 (10x as potent as insulin). IGF-1 is largely involved in anabolic or building structures in the body such as muscles, cells, skin cells, oil glands, etc. Know what accutane does? It lowers our IGF-1 content as well as a few other things that we are fully capable of doing if we can just figure out the "right" diet for ourselves as [U]individuals[/U]. (Organic) Fermented Dairy products may work, but make sure it doesn't contain any added sweeteners.

[B]4)[/B] The theory behind following a low or moderate carbohydrate diet is to LOWER our insulin production. Insulin & Testosterone go hand in hand, they are anabolic hormones. So if you have High Free Testosterone levels, chances are you also have HIGH Insulin Levels, but it could also be due to another hormonal disorder that's indirectly related to Glucose Intolerance. Therefore, Metaformin/Glucophage works by [U]reducing[/U] the amount of Insulin secreted by the pancreas.

[B]5) [/B] These diets don't just lower testosterone hormones, they also lower estrogen hormones for those that are "estrogen dominant" or are experiencing Andropause (male menopause). Therefore what these diets do is basically try to correct whatever your particular imbalance may be, whether it is to balance your hormones, reduce inflammation, prevent hyperproliferation (think cancer), reduce hyperkeritnization (think clogged pores), etc. The more personally tailored to [U]you[/U] your diet is, the better your results.


[B]6) [/B] Ask any body builder and they will tell ya that they Carb Load (High carb meals) drink Whey Shakes, take Aromatase inhibitors (reduces estrogen & increases Free Testosterone), etc in order to boost Insulin and/or Testosterone production. So this is one way that you can increase these hormones via working out. Another way is to do lots of heavy lifting, really quickly, for short periods of time so that your body is in an Anaerobic State.

Now if you are in an [B]Aerobic State[/B], moderate to vigorous exercise at a less agressive pace for longer periods of time, will help your cells respond better to insulin, thus less insulin is secreted. Futhermore, it will also help reduce certain inflammatory products. Aside from taking Omega 3s, R-ALA, [U]vigorous exericising[/U] is supposed one of the best ways to help acne sufferers "cheat". However you must eat your "cheat food" and then exercise immediately after to prevent a break out, otherwise it will occur.


[B]7)[/B] Yes, sexual activity is a form of exercise and stress release and as such is just as good as exercise. Most people and most acne sufferers find that they don't break out from sexual activity, but some do. If you are one of these individuals it may be due to one or more of the following:

Zinc defficiency
Aromatase defficiency
Excess inflammatory products
Weak detoxification system.

Altering your diet will help reduce the excess inflammatory products and aromatase defficiency and adding Zinc Sulfate/Gluconate/Monomethione should help if low in zinc. Also taking other anti-inflammatories such as antioxidant rich teas, B5 or Pantethine, Omega 3s, R-ALA, Niacan, Guggul, Boswellia, Zinc, among others can help reduce inflammation as well as increase detoxification. Or you can try doing liver flushes, candida cleanses, bowel cleanses etc (do a search on the board) for more indepth detoxing.

[B]8)[/B] You can be underweight or overweight and still have Glucose Intolerance problems. When you are [U]overweight[/U] it is because your body is [U]unable[/U] to get the energy it needs from glucose, hence Insulin Resistance/Hyperinsulinism, and so you continue to eat more and more in hopes of getting that energy. However, what happens is that because you are unable to metabolize glucose effectively, BUT are able to produce lots of Insulin (unlike a Type I Diabetic) glucose is stored as Cholesterol or more body fat instead. For those that are [U]underweight[/U] it is the along the same lines, only our excess fat or cholesterol turns into excess hormones and inflammatory products.


[B]9) [/B] Wanna know if you are Glucose Intolerant, especially Insulin Resistant (IR)? Well if one or more of the following are true, it's likely that you are or at risk:

Going through Puberty? (IR is temporary)
Had Precocious Puberty (started at age 8 or younger)
Born Premature?
Born small for Gestational Age?
Born of low birth weight?
Passive/Second Hand Smoker? (raised in a smoking household)
Mother smoked while pregnant with you?
You smoke?
Family history of Type II Diabetes?
Have excess abdominal fat?
Have Acanthosis Nigricans (99% of people with IR have this)?
Lead a sedentary lifestyle?
Eat a diet void of nutrients, low in (soluble fiber) and high in (trans) fat?


Of course, everyone is different and not everyone has problems with sugars or starches, but there may be some other food that is a problem for which you will have to investigate what that food could possibly be. Also, we can't avoid a food just because it raises insulin, IGF-1, etc as all foods do. Yet we can try to reduce/avoid foods that raise these hormones, growth factors, and inflammatory products the [U]most signficantly [/U] compared to other foods.

Best wishes :)[/QUOTE]
Whoa!
Sweet... Thanks SweetJade1.
after reading ost of your post,i realized what i studies at Biology is just kindergarden of Medical. lol...

Thanks....

IWillHelpYou when wll you help us further? :D
[QUOTE=hmahappy]You said:
I say:

This is why people with PCOS take metformin, which increases insulin in the body. Anyone with this problem with bodies that don't produce the insulin/chemicals to metabolize properly- should go to an endocrinologist and see a solution to this problem.

Once again, dieting/excersising/ etc is just curing symptoms- not solving the problem itself.

The problem's still there.
That's my opinion anyway.[/QUOTE]

diet and exercise should be the first line of defense in treating insulin resistance that one would treat with Metformin, including IR found in PCOS & Syndrome X. if you modify your insulin response and blood sugars via these methods, you eliminate the need for Metformin b/c you have solved your problem at its root. of course, one must continue the exercise and special diet to maintain benefit.
pills never solve a problem....umm huh... i guess u better never go to the hospital or doctor anymore.you might want to try faith healing.so u can get healed of your acne.having a balanced diet,regular exercising with a combination of meds is my best bet.if you can do it without meds thats great but not a lot of people can in todays world.
[QUOTE=soupyhead]i'm still confused about the working out thing.. talking about increasing hormones by working out but we want to decrease the hormones dont we? and also i previously asked the poster about the sweating thing.. is sweating in any way good or do you think it should come by exercise?[/QUOTE]

Working out will increase testosterone levels, but certain (strenuous) exercises will increase it [U]more significantly [/U] than others. You don't avoid working out out of fear of raising testosterone, you just pick exercises that don't raise it [U]and [/U] inflammatory products (that's [U]the[/U] key) as much.

On the other hand, when you read the scientific studies an increase in testosterone and other hormones doesn't always occur. That may be because each athelete or layperson has a [U]different[/U] fitness level as well as varying degrees of insulin resistance or aren't insulin resistant. As such, while not true for everyone, it appears that:

* Short-term, fast, strenuous, intense, anaerobic exercises raise testosterone.
Ex: Sprints, Heavy Weight Lifting, 2 Sets of 50

* Long-term, moderate - vigorous, aerobic exercises will help lower testosterone over time (2 - 3 months) due to lowering one's state of insulin resistance.
Ex: Jogging, Running, Swimming, Cycling, Yoga, Pilates, Resistance exercises, 4 Sets of 25

So personally I would just increase my physical activity. Then slowly work your way into doing more strenous exercises if your goal is to build more muscle. That way your body has become adjusted to such workouts and won't rapidly raise testosterone levels as much. As for sweating, it's fine I guess. If you sweat while working out it's a good thing, just drink more water and take a shower afterwards if concerned. Also, if you sweat on a daily basis very easily you may find that after changing your diet (for life) that you don't sweat (or smell) as much.

Take Care
so what are the steps to getting rid of acne or stopping it ?????????
[QUOTE=thompsbj]So what do you think of fat? I like hard-boiled eggs with the yolk. Is eating 3 or 4 of those ok? Is that too much fat? I'm not scared of fat when it concerns overall health, as I am pretty healthy aside from the acne. Just wondering if all that fat will be bad for the skin.[/QUOTE]

I eat 1 egg a day or so, 2 at most, I wouldn't want to eat more then that, theres a lot of cholestrol in it.

Eggs are convenient and nutrtious but as always don't overeat it.
[QUOTE=soupyhead]what do you think about sweating by sitting in the sun? for example going to the beach.

so you try to workout after every meal that involves more than a few carbs.. but how often a week do you 'sweat it out'[/QUOTE]


Sweating in the sun doesn't work,
Thats what clogs poors,

You need to sweat profusely, like sweat like a water fountain ,it needs to be dripping not drizzling like normal sweat,

Normal sweat tends to clogs pores.

I sweat out everyday actually, I go to the sauna every other day, and the days I don't go to the sauna I run .. HARD
[QUOTE=omega47]hmm this is interesting and makes sense, but i heard your testosterone increases when you work out instead of decreasing like you said...im confused.[/QUOTE]


Working out maybe in a "medical study" may increase testerone,

but working out INTENSELY in my studies DECREASES my sex drive, aka DECREASES my testerone in my case.


I define working out as:

1) 30-45 minuts continous weight lifting

2) Running does not decrease my testerone oddly? :D
but I do sweat, so that cleans out pores.

3) boxing/rowing / basketball / heavy endurance exercises
[QUOTE=smite]Hmm, well I am kind of in the "treat the cause not the symptom" boat, but I'm finding this very interesting nonetheless.

- So how does Glycemic Index/Load fit in to your theory? If I eat only complex carbs with low GL, do I still need to exercise after a meal?

- I am a person who cannot gain weight no matter how much I eat. I am hungry a few hours after pretty much any meal. Under your theory it would seem to explain that increased testosterone is the cause for my hunger. Exercise, weight lifting, and eating the portions you suggest, is it even possible to gain weight?

- As omega mentioned, it's also my understanding that weight lifting increases testosterone. Wouldn't this be counter productive?

Thanks.[/QUOTE]


GYLCEMIC cHART levels fit HUGELY in this theory, eat only on the low end of the glycemic chart , 10-40

Anything that is above, you will need to workout

Any pasta, any sweet fruits, any thing above 40 glycemic scale will require you to bust *** :D

or it'll convert the carbs to fat / oil on your face.
[QUOTE=SweetJade1]Hi all,
Great discussion here. I agree with most of this, but there are a few things I'd like to clarify.

[B]1)[/B] A "Diet" is what you consume on a daily basis, so perhaps what some, I know I do, don't believe in are temporary, short-term or "Fad Diets"?

[B]2) [/B] Carbohydrates are "Sugars", Starches, & Fibers and as such include:
A) Sugar/Sucrose, Glucose/Dextrose, Honey, Brown Rice Syrup (among several other types of sugars)
B) Vegetables
C) Fruits
D) Grains
E) Legumes
F) Nuts
G) Seeds


Best wishes :)[/QUOTE]

Hello sweetjade,

I'm glad you are posting in the thread, You are a research genius, I learned a great deal from you. ESPICALLY the pore shedding information, This made me think about saunas/steam rooms which solved the COMPLETE problem!


Thank you!

many times over!
[QUOTE=soupyhead]i'm still confused about the working out thing.. talking about increasing hormones by working out but we want to decrease the hormones dont we? and also i previously asked the poster about the sweating thing.. is sweating in any way good or do you think it should come by exercise?[/QUOTE]


Soupyhead,

Exercising does not increase hormones,

Don't do exercises like:

1) light weight lifting where you are drizzling sweat out, this CLOGS pores, you need to be sweating your shirt up

2) If you are not sweating HARD, that means you ARE clogging pores.

3) If you are not sweating at all, that means you just HAVE clogged pores.


4) Exercise decreases hormones, I guarantee you this, it does. I don't know why medical studies will say the opposite, it does not,

After you weight lift hard for 5 days, you will feel less sex drive. So that means you have less testerone.
Big point: Difference between sweating(clogs pores) and sweating PROFUSELY (clears acne)

Sweating - like when you are walking out on a hot day, will clog up pores , because its just small tidbits coming out of your pores combined with dust, it clogs.

Sweating profusely - from exercise or saunas, is like a toilet flush, zooooooooooooooooooooom , lots of sweat comes out, cleans everything out. Thats what you are looking for.

If you haven't seen what sweating profusely means, sit in a steamroom/sauna for 20 minutes, come out, that is sweating profusely.

So you need to do the same while exercising as well.

People who don't have access to a steamroom will have to exercise.
but i don't wanna loose any more weight dude. im a hard gainer and im skinny. lol. i know this has nothing to do with the subject but idk. kill me
I agree with you on the diet aspect of it, but I'm not so sure about the sweating thing. Is this just something you learned from experience, or do you have scientific evidence that it works? If so, I would love to see the article.
What if we don't want a lower sex drive?
Would this theory work if you are on birth control? Reason I ask is- i KNOW my problem is from hormones. Since I've gone on this certain type of b.c., I break out in the EXACT SAME PLACES. Once it heals and the redness goes away, its like theres a white bump in the exact same place. Im just wondering if this technique could surpass the hormone regulation in the b.c (and help my skin that isn't benefitting from it). I read somewhere that some birth control causes women to metabolize carbohydrates diffferently, but I don't know if that's true. If it is, I can see how the low-carb diet would be helpful and could improve skin. Anyone know?
[QUOTE=thompsbj]What if we don't want a lower sex drive?[/QUOTE]

Hmm...well wouldn't anyone that worked out very hard have a lower sex drive simply because they are...exhausted? I don't know, but in general you won't have a lower sex drive. While according to one study, working out strenously will lower your testosterone (acne sufferers want this to a degree), that doesn't automatically mean it lowered your sex drive (what testosterone was lowered?). However these studies seem to contradict and when things get confusing, again we have to think about our OWN fitness levels.

In general though, changing your diet and/or exercising will help you balance your sugar & insulin levels better which will affect your testosterone levels to an extent. Yet, I've never heard anyone, especially a male, say that they lost their desire. Although, this could be true for males that have excess testosterone (have a high libido?), in which case perhaps you will notice a slight difference...perhaps acquiring a drive that's more comparable to the "normal" man.

Any thoughts here????
[QUOTE=citygirl23]Would this theory work if you are on birth control? Reason I ask is- i KNOW my problem is from hormones. Since I've gone on this certain type of b.c., I break out in the EXACT SAME PLACES. Once it heals and the redness goes away, its like theres a white bump in the exact same place. Im just wondering if this technique could surpass the hormone regulation in the b.c (and help my skin that isn't benefitting from it). I read somewhere that some birth control causes women to metabolize carbohydrates diffferently, but I don't know if that's true. If it is, I can see how the low-carb diet would be helpful and could improve skin. Anyone know?[/QUOTE]


I used to be on BC, but it was only 50% effective at clearing my skin which interestingly also showed up as 50% improvement in lowering my [U]excess[/U] sex hormones. Later I switched to Avandia (metaformin made me sick) and got off the BC and it was only a 60% improvement. Ultimately for me, dietary changes yielded the best results.

As for that study, taking BC can alter a few nutrients in your body and make you more susceptible to yeast infections. If you are lacking something or acquire an intestinal yeast infection it's possible that this could affect how you metabolize carbohydrates. As far as I know, there is currently one study out that discusses BC such as Diane-35 increasing insulin resistance. So that's my guess as to how it could happen, although another could be that it was something the scientists noticed in an individual(s) that was already on the road to becoming Insulin Resistant. After all, if that is your problem, BC won't solve it, only mask certain symptoms.

Ahh, here's the title of the study below. It appears that Diane-35 is safe but it was a birth control with desogestrel (desogen, mircette, orth-cept) that slightly impaired insulin sensitivity.

[I]Glucose metabolism and insulin resistance in women with polycystic ovary syndrome during therapy with oral contraceptives containing cyproterone acetate or desogestrel.[/I] J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2003 Aug;88(8):3621-5.

Best wishes
[QUOTE=Iwillhelpyou]Hello sweetjade,

I'm glad you are posting in the thread, You are a research genius, I learned a great deal from you. ESPICALLY the pore shedding information, This made me think about saunas/steam rooms which solved the COMPLETE problem!


Thank you!

many times over![/QUOTE]

Well a good steam doesn't sound so bad. Say can that actually help shed water weight? Anyway, I'm glad that there are more people finding their answers and that you're one of those willing to help! =)
i've been running the last few nights and its really hard to sweat that much.. after about 30 minutes i begin to sweat a bit but its not like pouring off my body.. maybe i will try the steam thing
sweet jade, i dont know if u read in a newspaper article that females were taking testosterone to firm up their bodies.the side effect included severe acne,body hair.i have heard from my research with ts that f to m transsexuals have very bad acne,increased sex drive,lowering of the vocal cords,body hair.once the vocal cords have been lenghthened by the use of testosterone it cant be reversed.in my case going the other way...50 mgs didnt clear my skin but at 100 mgs for almost 3 years now my skin is perfect.i use adodart to get rid of the free testosterone in my body.on the plus side i might never go bald.and yes at 100 mgs or more a day of spiro does really slow down the body hair growth.diane-35 contains the anti-androgen cyprotone acetate.i know a lot of thai ''lady boys'' take diane-35 to keep them boyish or girlish looking.it kinda holds back male puberty.i know when i used to look like a guy...a very good looking guy i was...i had a very masculine face...the girls i worked with thought i was really getting hot looking for the first 2 years i was on spiro.now i look like a 20 year old boy...er girl.this is due to major cranial-facial plastic surgery not the spiro.now all the girls said they liked me before my surgery.i lot of girls think i look cute now....but definitly not manly. :eek:
[QUOTE=soupyhead]i've been running the last few nights and its really hard to sweat that much.. after about 30 minutes i begin to sweat a bit but its not like pouring off my body.. maybe i will try the steam thing[/QUOTE]

Very smart soupyhead!

I know quite a few people who can't sweat profusely, so if you are one of those people, its best if you just went to the steamroom and sit in there for 30 minutes, then come out and do some weights or running.


You do sweat more if you drink a lot of water during your exercise or before.


Quick tip: Drink a big cup of near boiling (thats cooled down) water, so your body gets REAL warm, and then exercise, you will sweat faster because you heat up your internals faster.

I do this during the winter, because its hard to heat your body up during the winter,

I also wear heavy hooded sweatshirts and a cap to make myself even warmer.

This is how you make yourself sweat :)
UPKEEP/MAINTENCE

This is one of the most important procedures in this regime.

If you have the money, which I believe all 21+ year olds do, $100 or so.

Pick up a GLUCOSE METER (I use freestyle because it requires little blood)
Its around $30, the test strips are like $50


What you do is:


1) Test yourself in the morning before you eat anything, note down your blood sugar,

2) Test yourself after you eat certain items.


Your blood sugar should be around:

80-95 during before meals in the morning.
95-100 after a LOW carb meal with no white bread/pasta
100-120 after a Carbed meal with a 3 ounces of carbs
120-150 after eating pizza or pasta.


The key here is, to mantain yourself in the

80-100 level, if you do this, you will notice your skin to be nice and dry and normal.

If you go above 100-120 , you'll start feeling some oil.

Basically the idea is, blood sugar = converted to fat

you need to mantain the blood sugar.

When you exercise, your blood sugar goes down.

This is the main idea behind the regime and it will solve ALL your questions.


The numbers may vary from people to people but you should find out your ranges.


I hope this helps, this is the BEST idea for me to know exactly what my body is feeling like and I share this with you guys and hope you find much use with it :)

Any questions ,ask away.


:cool:
do you have to P rick yourself with that thing? (cant say that word on this forum)
The freestyle version, can be used to pr ick the upper arms like your shoulders,

I don't like pricking my fingers because it hurts,
but freestyle you can pr ick anywhere on your body, your leg arms, and it doesn't hurt at ALL ,
because those areas are tough :D

They have this neat spring pr ick thing, its so fast and 100% painfree, you can't even feel it.
im currently using retin-A and when i go out to the sun, it irritates my skin and causes it to turn red. i have been avoiding sunlight and have not sweat in a while and in this time, my acne has gotten worse. i usually sweat a lot, but i dont sweat profusely, like you said. what do you recommend?

also, would a bathroom with the hot water running count as a sauna room?
Hi,


Any room or place above your body temperature , 103 degrees is saunalike

Lets say standing outside in phoenix in arizona = oven :D


I've heard of stories where a guy was working as a griller or a fryer, and he use to sweat the whole day standing there next to the hot fryer, and he said he's acne got a lot better.
This diet is hard.. i've been doing it but cheating a bit and eating stuff like cornbread and taco bell a few times.. it def shows up on my face about a day later in the form of 1 or 2 pimples.. and the oil comes back for those days too... I'm finally glad i KNOW what is causing my acne now.. its a great thing to know how to control it, but its still difficult... what do you guys think about diet drinks? i drink a coke zero now and then.. i will test it myself.. try to eat very little carbs for a week and then drink a bunch of it to see if i break out.. I'm keeping a spreadsheet for myself so i can figure out what works and what doesnt. good luck all
Pop should always be reduced, until you never drink it at all. It may not harm your skin, but it certainly won't help. It's so acidic that it messes up the ph of your body. I have heard that might be a contributing factor to acne, but I don't know. Also, your teeth will thank you.
[FONT=Comic Sans MS][COLOR=DarkOrchid][COLOR=Magenta]thompsbj[/COLOR], I agree wholeheartedly with you there! Fizzy drinks as we Brits call them, or soda as they're called in the States, are an unnecessary evil. They are a pure hit of sugar and a mish mash of hideous chemicals. Like any other sugar hit you feel good for five minutes after drinking and then slump for an hour. They fur up your teeth and distort your sense of taste. And since sugar is addictive, regular consumption of them causes a virtual dependence on other sugary foods... I could rant on for much longer and I haven't even discussed their effects on skin. If you drink fizzy drinks and you're prepared to make just [I]one[/I] lifestyle change for the good of your skin, then stop drinking them![/COLOR][/FONT]
IWillHelpYou,I am very thankful for all your input on this subject. I am 21 years old and still constantly annoyed with the almost daily breakouts.

Exercise and sweating is supposedly good for you and sweating is the essential part of helpin your skin. However, in my case, every time i'm outside in the heat or dancing/excercising the next couple of days after that i will suffer from breakouts in my T Zone. I've heard that bacteria feed off of sweat and provides a breedin ground for acne. What am i doing wrong? I usually wash my face after sweating with Benzoyl Peroxide or a Tea Tree Oil/SA/Sulfur scrub. Maybe the sweating brings everything to the surface and causes the breakouts. Does this mean i should exercise and sweat consistently? How do you cleanse your face after your workout/sweating?

thank you
Pls. advise - I'll be most grateful. What the heck... my condition follows.

From,
a 45 yr. old female
acne since age 11
adult acne none stop
but was better during each preg.
who's face is a constant oil field
with both white & black
and large surface oil glands
yuck!
who's attractive, but acne gets in the way
but... still smiling!!!
bump... anyone have good luck with trying out the low carb/exercise deal?
[QUOTE=kHan artist]IWillHelpYou,I am very thankful for all your input on this subject. I am 21 years old and still constantly annoyed with the almost daily breakouts.

Exercise and sweating is supposedly good for you and sweating is the essential part of helpin your skin. However, in my case, every time i'm outside in the heat or dancing/excercising the next couple of days after that i will suffer from breakouts in my T Zone. I've heard that bacteria feed off of sweat and provides a breedin ground for acne. What am i doing wrong? I usually wash my face after sweating with Benzoyl Peroxide or a Tea Tree Oil/SA/Sulfur scrub. Maybe the sweating brings everything to the surface and causes the breakouts. Does this mean i should exercise and sweat consistently? How do you cleanse your face after your workout/sweating?

thank you[/QUOTE]

Hello khan,

1) Whats your diet like? It effects your acne immensely, it has to be low carb when you don't exercise, a little bit more carb when you do.

2) Normal sweating does cause acne, because it just stays there.

You only need to exercise once a day, and you need to be sweating like crazy, it has to be dripping to be effective,
normal sweating will clog up pores, just think of your skin as a toilet.

You need a big blast of water to flush the shi t out, small drizzles won't flush anything out :)
[QUOTE=HAPUNCH]Pls. advise - I'll be most grateful. What the heck... my condition follows.

From,
a 45 yr. old female
acne since age 11
adult acne none stop
but was better during each preg.
who's face is a constant oil field
with both white & black
and large surface oil glands
yuck!
who's attractive, but acne gets in the way
but... still smiling!!![/QUOTE]

Hapunch,
I know you are attractive :) I feel most acne suffers look very good once their acne dissapears , oddly how it always happens to us :)


First you test out your diet
1) Low carb
As mentioned in the first few posts,
see if your oil decreases

2) then find a sauna or steam room, implement it into your regime

If you want a step by step walk through, just post what you are doing each day and I will comment on what you should do and whats the best to treat your acne issue.

First you solve the oil issue,
Then you clear up your pores/acne.

Thats how to do it.
[QUOTE=soupyhead]This diet is hard.. i've been doing it but cheating a bit and eating stuff like cornbread and taco bell a few times.. it def shows up on my face about a day later in the form of 1 or 2 pimples.. and the oil comes back for those days too... I'm finally glad i KNOW what is causing my acne now.. its a great thing to know how to control it, but its still difficult... what do you guys think about diet drinks? i drink a coke zero now and then.. i will test it myself.. try to eat very little carbs for a week and then drink a bunch of it to see if i break out.. I'm keeping a spreadsheet for myself so i can figure out what works and what doesnt. good luck all[/QUOTE]

Soupyhead,

Don't drink pop, keep on lowering it until you are not addicted to it anymore.

Sweets AND EXCCESSIVE >>>CARBS<<<
I confess, I am a carb addict.

At least you now know the SOURCE of

a) your oil
b) how to clean your clogged pores


Don't drink pop, it has sugar, and also fake sure such as asapratene is no good.

Just remember, if you can't make it with your hands while being a farmer, its not good for us acne sufffers.

What is your daily eatings/ routine?

Is it improving your skin oil?

Tell me mor about it, I can point out some errrs if there are any.
soupyhead,

Remember you CAN eat taco bell,
but for every burrito supreme you eat 700 calories
You should be doing 30 minutes weight
or 35 minutes running
after you eat !

I prefer weights, 35 minutes running doesn't even burn 700 calories.
I want to help everybody in this thread CLEAR UP,

I feel the most happy when everybody finally understands what causes their acne EXACTLY

I felt the best when other people helped me learn what causes my acne EXACTLY. :)

YOU CAN DO IT!
ALL OF YOU,
JOIN THE LIFESTYLE , ITS NOT JUST A DIET.

YOU CAN DO IT!!

TELL YOUR ACNE TO GO F HIM/HERSELF , YOU WILL NOT FEED HIM ANY MORE CARBS WITHOUT EXERCISING IT AWAY.


QUITERS NEVER WIN, WINNERS NEVER QUIT!
KNOWLEDGE IS POWER!
WHERES MY TONY ROBBINS CD hahah :D
alright IWillHelpYou.
How are you?
i tried 2 days diet of 0 carb.
it SUCKED! i mean, i am a carb addict. i am sure you know how it is to be on 0 carb. :(
but i survived (proud of myself) i do did notice a little reduction in oil. although not that much.
since my two days diet is over, i would like to ask you if its ok if i eat one of theses two times a day? whats better?

1. 2 slices of bran bread each meal

OR

2. 1 cup of rice each meal

OR

3. 1 cup of Macaroni/noodles each meal

beacuase my meals rely on one of these. what do you suggest?


i also tried exercising to sweat but i didnt sweat enough to wet my shirt. so i guess i will be trying steam bath.

oh yeah, a few days ago, i was sleeping and my AC tripped off, i sleep under this huge comfy king size comfortr, i didnt wake up (deep sleeper) and when i woke up in the morning, i was litterally WET in sweat. i am in the AC all the time when home, car, mall etc.

so do you think sitting with me AC switched off and sweating alot in as alternate to sauna and steam bathe?


Thanks.
Ksaguy,

CongratS!

Its great you notice the oil reduction, YOU now should have motivation enough to know what causes your oily skin!
You need to continue the carb holdbacks, your addiction will fade slowly, in a week or so you won't need that much of it.

this is what you do now.
You need to continue the program, But today you can eat
1) 1 slices of bran bread each meal
Not two, two is too much
OR
2) Half a cup of cooked rice, not two, 1 cup, 1 cup is way too much.


After you eat this during any meal , you should exercise for 30 minutes.
If you eat 2 slices of bran bread, you should do this at dinner tmie so you can exercise for 45 minutes.
If you eat 1 cup of rice, the same.
If you eat half a cup of rice, you exercise/lift weights for 30 minutes.

You must exercise after eating the carbs.



This will hold your carb withdrawals.


Supplement option:

1) Have one slice of bran toasted and eat little pieces through out the day, this will suffice your carb cravings.
Eat one small thumbfull every hour and some other vegs/meats, This will keep you satisfied.


You need to do this to maintain your oil production, your oil production is just starting to lower right now, Now you need to suffice your carb cravings by giving it just a little but exercising right after.



Sweating question:

1) I believe you meant just sweating on your back when you were asleep, thats no good, you neeed to sweat on your face.
You need to see the sweat litterally bead up on your face. You can get that from running 30 minutes straight (slowly build this up over weeks)

Or going to the steam room /sauna (EASIEST) for 20 minutes.


THIS WILL CLEAR YOU.

Don't eat carbs after, eat some vegetables and maybe 1 thumb of bran :D



2) How long can you exercise? Can you workout for 1 hour?
If you can, You can eat carb filled meals as long as you workout for 1 full hour.
If you can't, you need to build your body slowly to workout or run or jump rope for 1 hour before you can add more carbs in your diet.

Just keep it mininum right now if you can only exercise for 30 minutes.

Do you do hard labour at work? Like construction work? I need to nkow this because if you do theres a different plan. You need some carbs to help you along because you expend much energy.
If you sit at an office or school all day then the strategy is the same as above.
Iwillhelpyou,

How many grams of fat do you get in a day? Let's say I want to limit carbs to 50 non-fiber grams a day, since I can't get much exercise at this time due to an injury. That's 200 calories. That leaves very roughly 1800 calories to be consumed. Even if I eat 150 grams of protein, that leaves 1200 calories from fat. That is about 133 grams of fat. I was of the understanding that that much fat would increase oil production. Am I wrong?
[QUOTE=thompsbj]Iwillhelpyou,

How many grams of fat do you get in a day? Let's say I want to limit carbs to 50 non-fiber grams a day, since I can't get much exercise at this time due to an injury. That's 200 calories. That leaves very roughly 1800 calories to be consumed. Even if I eat 150 grams of protein, that leaves 1200 calories from fat. That is about 133 grams of fat. I was of the understanding that that much fat would increase oil production. Am I wrong?[/QUOTE]


I don't seem to calculate it like that,
I calculate it by cup size, portion size

A Meal to me with no exercise:
a) 1.5 cups of vegetables sauteed with a teaspoon of oil and other spices.
b) 2 chicken drumsticks baked with hot sauce etc.
c) 3-5 nuts

A meal to me with exercise after:

a) 1.5 cups of vegs
b) a few slices of roast beef
c) 1.5 cups of cooked pasta with cheese
d) fruit
e) 3 inch brownie sugar free
f) some nuts

exercise for 45-60 mins

A meal to me with light exercise:

a) 1.5 cups of vegs
b) 3-4 small chicken wings
c) one egg
d) half a slice of wheat bread.

Exercise for 30 mins.


Inside, I don't count the fat content, kind of hard to do so, I just eat based on portion size
I still get a bad flare up on my forehead every now and again. Oh well the acne angels are watching over me :p.
today i went to jamba juice..and got a green tea type drink.. man i didnt know it would have a lot of carbs. When i checked their website it said 106!!! so i ran for 30 minutes and worked out another 30.. it was about an hour after i drank it.. dunno how it will work out.
keep this thread alive
[FONT=Comic Sans MS][COLOR=DarkOrchid]This is an interesting thread which I am sure will help many people improve the condition of their skin. I myself discovered the positive connection between acne and exercise a few years ago when I first took up running. I found that I became less susceptible to major breakouts in light of exercise. My brother has experienced success with this also. However, I [I]personally[/I] don't feel that there is a direct, linear link between one's consumption of refined carbohydrate and one's propensity towards new breakouts as governed by one's level of exercise (too many "one's", I know :D). It's not an exact science in my opinion.

[I]Yes[/I], it does help to exercise because it burns the carbohydrates up cleanly instead of letting them promote an insulin surge. And [I]yes[/I] it does promote sweating which is the most natural way to cleanse the pores. But I don't think you can say that in order to survive the consumption of x amount of carbohydrate you must perform y amount of resistance exercise or z amount of cardiovascular exercise. Different people have different tolerances to refined carbohydrates and they definitely have different capabilities in terms of exercise.

This thread is wonderful in that it encourages exercise as a means to improving the condition of one's skin, but I think the bottom line is everybody should aim to do as much - and varied - exercise as they can feasibly fit into their routine and not stress about whether they've done enough to compensate for that sneaky bagel that had at elevenses :) But by all means, if anyone here can raise their level of activity then you should go for it because the benefits certainly don't end with your skin! Very interesting thread, [COLOR=Magenta]Iwillhelpyou[/COLOR] ;)[/COLOR][/FONT]
iwillhelpyou, thanks for all the advice on this thread. this is one of the only threads i read on this website. you have helped my confidence and i really appreciate the time you put into this thread.

what do you think about drinking excessive water? i am trying to drink tons of water so that my skin of my face will still have a natural color with acne, instead of dry and pale with acne? what do you think?

i prefer to only run and workout at night, to protect my skin from the sun and because ive lost my confidence to go out during the day when my skin looks the worse. as a result, i am not able to sweat as much. i take a shower after i run so that i dont clog my pores like you said, but is the exercising still helping to burn the carbs? what do you recommend?
[QUOTE=c0nfused]iwillhelpyou, thanks for all the advice on this thread. this is one of the only threads i read on this website. you have helped my confidence and i really appreciate the time you put into this thread.

what do you think about drinking excessive water? i am trying to drink tons of water so that my skin of my face will still have a natural color with acne, instead of dry and pale with acne? what do you think?

i prefer to only run and workout at night, to protect my skin from the sun and because ive lost my confidence to go out during the day when my skin looks the worse. as a result, i am not able to sweat as much. i take a shower after i run so that i dont clog my pores like you said, but is the exercising still helping to burn the carbs? what do you recommend?[/QUOTE]

Hi Confused,

Drinking any amounts of water is fine, its good for your body and it helps move the excessive waste to the toilet.
It has 0 carbs, drink as much as you want.

Exercising without sweating-

Exercising any type will burn carbs, Good work on this.

But you will need to sweat to clear your pores, This is a big key, because I have tested before thats if I just workout, and not sweat, I still would get acne because my pores are not clean from not sweating.

You need to sweat either from:
a) sauna/steam room at a local gym or YMCA
b) Exercise intensely
- tips on sweating easier:
- boil some water in the pan, wait for it to cool just a bit so you don't burn yourself, and drink it while its still hot.
Then go running, you will sweat much easier since you just raised your body temp like 5 degrees.



How is your oil production on your face?
[QUOTE=soupyhead]today i went to jamba juice..and got a green tea type drink.. man i didnt know it would have a lot of carbs. When i checked their website it said 106!!! so i ran for 30 minutes and worked out another 30.. it was about an hour after i drank it.. dunno how it will work out.[/QUOTE]


hahah soupyhead, Sorry to hear that :) That happens to me sometimes as well!



The good thing is our body will process this and it will go away in 2 days, but you'll have oily skin for a day or so :)

What I do is usually wait till saturday to eat my great meals such as today, I Ate at pizzaria uno,
Had some Pasta Spinocoli with pesto sauce and penne, fresh breadsticks for dinner damn good I must say, carb hell but heaven!

I also ate some chips/fruits/ all that crazy stuff right after, but I was prepared.

After I ate around 5:00 pm for dinner, waited for 30 minutes, then I started excercising, working out till 7:00, then went to the steam room 7:30

2 hours, feels good, and all the carbs all worked out and nothing in my body.

The point is not to starve yourself from anything you love, if you can eat it, just work it off, you can eat anything you want!


Workout enough check: your face/head should not feel hot after 30 minutes after you workout.
If it is, that means you still have lots of carbs waiting to be burned. Take a shower, relax for 15 and exercise for 30 minutes more. If its not hot anymore, that means you are good to go.

Turn on the tv and relax, your body thanks you for the carbs and your nice workout to lessen the stress of your body to metabolize the food. And also you know you just cleaned out your pores through sweating. 2 birds with 1 stone!



Feel good at all levels then.

This isn't a diet, its a lifestyle that is [B]maintainable[/B]!


Any questions feel free to ask.
Our body is like a gasoline tank in the car.

Gasoline = Carbs
Gas tank = your body

Good:
You are driving to florida from CA
You fill up the tank to full , and drive there, fill up along each way and keep driving.


Bad:
You are sitting at home watching sunday football,
You fill up your tank.
You are still sitting at home watching sunday football,
You fill up your tank the 2nd time, It overflows The oil.
Where? on your car .

What happens when your car overflows because you never used up your first fillup?

You get oil spots on your car from the overflow.

Thats all there is to it.

Whatever you put in, you need to expend it (for us acne prone)


:wave:
[FONT=Comic Sans MS][COLOR=DarkOrchid]My point, [COLOR=Magenta]Iwillhelpyou[/COLOR], is that, for some people, it is easier to overflow the tank than it is for others. To continue your analogy, let's say the car doesn't get driven regularly, but every time it is driven the driver tops it up with fuel for good measure. That would mean that some fuel resides in the tank for a long time, burning less and less efficiently and causing trouble to the engine as a result. However, regardless of how often the car was driven, if the driver allowed the tank to empty before refuelling, it would run more cleanly.

That is where my thread "Digestive System Cleanse to Eliminate Acne" comes in. What if there are some people whose acne would not respond very well to your exercise regimen until they had emptied their tank? Likewise, in reference to my regimen, what if there are some people for whom cleansing their digestive system is not enough to maintain clear skin? For whom exercise is a necessary addition to their regimen? I think it is excellent that you started this thread at the time you have, because I believe that there may be a [B]complementary diet/exercise solution[/B] forming :)

[COLOR=Magenta]EV[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT]
Hello Ev,

I agree with you, I also went into a liver cleanse myself with some epson salt following some guides on the internet, it worked well for me as well.

What you are saying can only help clear acne further, clean out the digestive system, then work on other things.

Good suggestion for sure, everything that works to help clear your body of trash is a ++ :)

thanks!
hey iwillhelpyou, do you eat fuit? people are telling me that they have lots of carbs but i dont think they do.. i dont think they effect my skin that much.. i'm just mostly avoiding pasta/bread/rice and stuff like that.. i know i can eat it if workout.. but do you eat fruit and stuff without exercising after?
I don't eat fruit if I'm not going to workout.
The sugar content makes me all heated up.

But I would never eat a peach at the office.


The fruits you can take a bite or two of without working out would be:

1) peaches (yellow)
2) plums
3) kiwis
4) cherry tomatoes


Other fruits I like but has more carbs
4) granny smith apple (green)
5) passion fruit ( niceee)
6) blueberries, expensive though
7) strawberries (its ok)
8) canteloupose , not too ripe (love this)
9) pears ( love it, but lots of carbs)


Go on google and search for "glycemic load" for a detailed list
You can eat accordinging to the list :)
I do eat fruit,

I eat them according to the glycemic load charts,

Peaches,
Plums
Kiwis


All others have extra carbs which definately requires exercise.

When I eat it wihtout exercise I only take 1 or two bites.
hmm.. looks like most fruits really are low except bananas..
[B]hapuch[/B]

I am very sure you are intolerant to high-glycemic foods and this is what causes your acne. Not only does your profile fit with the insulin resistant profile sweetjade mentioned but you said "my acne cleared up when i was pregnant" during pregnancy the body releases other hormones that fight against insulin and reduce it. Did your acne clear up straight away or was it more significant during the third trimester?
[B]hapuch[/B]

I am very sure you are intolerant to high-glycemic foods and this is what causes your acne. Not only does your profile fit with the insulin resistant profile sweetjade mentioned but you said "my acne cleared up when i was pregnant" during pregnancy the body releases other hormones that fight against insulin and reduce it. Did your acne clear up straight away or was it more significant during the third trimester?

There really is no more proof needed, however what about the fact that steroids increase insulin resistance and casues acne.

sweetJade you posted on this thread pretty much everything i have said on my acne cure thread before i posted it, i honestly hadn't read your post on here and feel quite silly now.
iwillhelpyou, is it the actual exercising or the sweating that gets rid of carbs? ive been working out moderately and have been sitting in the steam room a lot, about 15 minutes 2 times a day. ive also been eating a lot less carbs. i believe the oil on my face has lessened, but im not sure. how do you measure the oil on your face? also, whats next on your program? first the diet, then exercise and sweating profusely, is there anything else i can do? im also current fasting to cleanse my digestive system which i found on another thread. do you have any advice for me?
I am on accutane right now and i read in one of the previous posts by jade that accutane reduces insulin. I was wondering if it is bad if i take protein, whey or casein, to help me bulk up after working out. Whey protein helps build muscle but he/she stated that it also increase insulin which would seem to do the opposite of accutane. Are these 2 things contradictory and maybe the reason why i am not getting much out of my accutane? Protein is found in meat and such and that is advised to eat. Is it just the whey protein that might be bad for acne sufferers?
for abercrombie.. i cut whey out of my diet but after i cut my carbs i brought it back in and didnt have any problems.. it has virtually 0 carbs in it and it seems to not effect my skin
[QUOTE=c0nfused]iwillhelpyou, is it the actual exercising or the sweating that gets rid of carbs? ive been working out moderately and have been sitting in the steam room a lot, about 15 minutes 2 times a day. ive also been eating a lot less carbs. i believe the oil on my face has lessened, but im not sure. how do you measure the oil on your face? also, whats next on your program? first the diet, then exercise and sweating profusely, is there anything else i can do? im also current fasting to cleanse my digestive system which i found on another thread. do you have any advice for me?[/QUOTE]

Hi Confused,

1) Diet
2) Exercise
3) Sweating

You have everything covered.

You can pickup a blood sugar glucose meter to watch your blood sugar, your blood sugar should stay around 90 - 105.

When your blood sugar is in the 90-105 range, your face should not produce any excess oil.


What does each do:

Diet : Keeps your blood sugar low

Exercise: Keeps your blood sugar low/ helps you sweat / helps you metabolize carbs / helps excretion (important as well!)

This is what clears and mantains your body equiliburum.


Sweating: Cleans your pores (important). This is what clears you.

All 3 are equally important.


How do you measure your oil output? It should be quite noticable that you have much less oil production.

Can you tell me more about your day and diet, and what you eat.


How are your spots coming along?
What kind of acne do you have, elaborate..

Thank you, you are doing a fabulous job doing all 3. Acne can not survive for long in such a healthy body such as the one you have right now.
Protein /meat is fine for me,
I just don't over eat it though anything in excess is bad for the body.

Other then water. Drink as much as you want water.


[QUOTE=AbercrombieGuy]I am on accutane right now and i read in one of the previous posts by jade that accutane reduces insulin. I was wondering if it is bad if i take protein, whey or casein, to help me bulk up after working out. Whey protein helps build muscle but he/she stated that it also increase insulin which would seem to do the opposite of accutane. Are these 2 things contradictory and maybe the reason why i am not getting much out of my accutane? Protein is found in meat and such and that is advised to eat. Is it just the whey protein that might be bad for acne sufferers?[/QUOTE]
Regarding the fasting:

You should have regular bowel movements while on this lifestyle.

Regular bowel movements = Regular eating habits = eating enough fiber to get rid of the bacteria in your stomach.

Also if you are starving yourself that puts on stress, stress puts on oil on your face.


I learned this when I was going nuts and starving myself because I wondered "If I don't eat I won't have any oil on my face!"
How wrong was I, my face got even oily, I was dumbfounded, why did this happen?

Your body became stressed because its searching for food and there was no regular bowel movements.

Note: fasting can be done before the lifestyle of course, I guess it can be done at the same time, but for me personally I see more oil when I don't eat at all. Not only that I get dizzy.


BTW:

Moderate acne -> takes at least 2.5 weeks to clear but you should notice progress immediately.

Mild acne -> Takes 1.5 weeks to clear
Should notice progress as well.


You should notice progress if you do all 3 at the same time immediately, Progress as in , less oily skin.

ESPICALLY if you are steamining, you should notice your spots goes away much faster.

Steam room clears spots VERY FAST! in 2-3 days, they are usually GONE.
REASON: steam makes oil comes up to the pores, your spot will come to the head much faster and blow up :D
[QUOTE=Iwillhelpyou]Regarding the fasting:

ESPICALLY if you are steamining, you should notice your spots goes away much faster.

Steam room clears spots VERY FAST! in 2-3 days, they are usually GONE.
REASON: steam makes oil comes up to the pores, your spot will come to the head much faster and blow up :D[/QUOTE]

ive been going to the steam room twice a day for 3 days now and have not seen significant results. how long do you recommend staying in the steam room? i have been in there for at least 10 minutes each occasion. should i be staying in there longer? does it help if i go more times per day? let me know what to do and ill do it!
stay in there till you sweat like a pig.. i've been making my bathroom into a steam room by running the hot water for a bit and closing the doork.. works well
thanks soupy, i tried that with my bathroom but it didnt seem to get hot enough so i had to sign up at a local gym, hopefully its working well for you. i usually cant stay in the steam room for more than 10 minutes, but if i know that its gonna help if i stay longer, i would.
I am 44 years old and I still have acne! I do however chalk it up to oily skin, an unhealthy diet (but not all the time). My face has NEVER completely cleared. I simply cannot eat anything (not literally) without breaking out and quite frankly I'm tired ofit. I'm in the process of trying PROACTIV. There are many folks I know who've seen good/great results! Anyone else out there try it???
hey Iwillhelpyou Im on my last month of Accutane and have just started working out(running) this whole week. My question is do u use any facial cleansers when done? or is that irrelevant and just use water? and how many times a day do u actually shower? thanks. . .
Hi Confused,
You don't need to go to the steam room several times a day,

I only go to the steam room once every 2 days, one time a day,

While in the steam you can sit in there for 3 minutes, come out for 1 minute, go back in , repeat 3-4 times until 15-20 minutes.

You don't have to sit in there almost choking you know :))
Bring some water, relax , steam room should be relaxing, People in finland/europe or somewhere use it as a social gathering not a torture chamber hahah :)


Just make sure you are SWEATING, like you feel your heart beat pulse faster, you are actually sweating and its not condensation from the steam.

15-20 minutes in the steam room is good to go. Once a day or two.

krankykid: I've used all topicals, none of them worked for me. I have oily skin. Had to stop the oily skin from the inside, such as B5 / Accutane / My current diet/exercise/steam lifestyle.


Mikegoons,

I'm glad you are working out now, hey even if our acne doesn't get that much better at least we'll have great bodies :)


I don't use any facial cleansers,

I use a "loofah" scrub, You should find something that is soft and ruffled so it can scrub away your dead skin, A loofah has ruffle ridges and is soft (the ones I get)

You can use a towel or something, never just splash water on your face, you need to scrub off the dead skin.

I use a scrubber and warm water,

If you are at the gym and you seem some person with a loofah scrubber and his face 1 inch next to the faucet , thats me.
thanks for the advice... where can i get a loofah scrubber? im from the US, can i go to rite aid or longs drugs?
Yes, they sell it at riteaid
don't get the one that is very hard, i don't know what its for but i don't think its for the face, more like a body scrubber find the soft one.


You can get any scrubber that is sort of soft but ridged, so it can scrub off the dead skin.
iwillhelpyou, is there anything else in your regimen? anything in addition to diet, exercise, & sweating? ive been doing this for a while and i think ive only seen minimal results. do you recommend continuing to use retin-A? i had the really bad initial breakout from retin-A and i do not want it to make my skin worse. it seems as if i read more horror stories about retin-A rather than success stories. anymore advice for us 21+ year olds?
I have read this thread with much interest. I firmly believe that diet is a factor in acne (if only I could convince my college girls to go on Sweet Jades food recommendations!). I have a question though- had acne from age 12 to 19-then I went on BC pills and totally cleared up, but have scars. I am 50 yrs old and have extremely oily skin probably more oily than when I was a teen (also have very few wrinkles) but no acne-how can this be? I rarely get a pimple. Any answers out there?
[FONT=Comic Sans MS][COLOR=DarkOrchid]Hi [COLOR=Magenta]acnemom[/COLOR] :wave: You just said it yourself: diet affects acne. Well, this is because diet affects sebum production. Cut down on the amount of refined carbohydrates you eat and you will produce less oil. Try it for three days and let us know what you see :)

Here's the science (very simplified and tongue in cheek):

Excess refined carbs (e.g. bread) = spike in blood-sugar levels = high insulin production = increase in sebum = shiny face = expensive makeup

Check it out for yourself by searching around.

By the way, I think it's great that you're supporting your daughters by doing some research on their behalf. My mum was my only source of moral support through the worst of my acne and I don't think I could have survived without her. Good on you![/COLOR][/FONT]
I am new to these this healthboard and cant believe how informative it is. This is an interesting thread and it makes sense. I guess this sort of explains why athletes/ footballers etc dont get acne. I am currently on EV's digestive system cleanse and will introduce this exersize in later.

Nice one
Hey can u please tell me what u did..i've had acne since 8th grade and started to have very oily skin in high school, my acne calmed down now but i still have couple pimples the only problem now is verrry oily skin..i have very large pores and my skin lookes real weird in sunlight or light period..i know alot of people have acne problems but i dont see many people with oily skin and very large pores like me..had depresion for 2 years and im mostly in my room..sucks..its hard for me to live a life like others.

please let me know or e-mail me if u can [email]sf_muscle79@yahoo.com[/email]


thanks and God bless.





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