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I'm not entirely convinced that antibiotics do anything!

I recently had a sinus infection (about 5-6 weeks ago). I had classic symptoms; dizziness, yellow discharge, headaches, pressure. I immediately started irrigating with cool water, alkalol, kosher salt, and 3ml of hydrogen peroxide. I did this for 3 days, and then dropped the peroxide and alkalol (can irritate the tissue if used too often). In addition to this, I made some dietary changes -no diary or sugar. I also used Sinofresh twice a day, and started taking Chlor-Tremeton to get the allergies under control.

I then went to 2 ENTs and had 2 endoscopies done. No evidence of infection anywhere. Symptoms have subsided 80%.

I've been on antibiotics, and they dmaged my health in a big way (nerve damage, yeast overgrowth, etc.) Unless I am on death's door, I have no intention on taking another one.

But in certain situations, they are warrented. If there is bloody discharge, or thick green mucus, you might have to resort to them. The SinuNeb antibiotic irrigation system works well. IV antibiotics work as well. Just remember that they can impact your health, especially if they are a dangerous one like Avelox or Levaquin. Best to stick with Augmentin or a cephlosporin.

Sinusitis can be the result of structural problems in the nose. That's how my whole nightmare started -deviated septum and bone spur. If this is the case, neither antibiotics nor home-remedies will work. You have to have surgery.

So talk to your ENT and get a CT Scan. If there are no structural problems, try an intense irrigation routine and see what happens.
I have seen the posts for upside down sinus flooding. I tried it and it had no lasting effect. You see, I already use a sinus irrigating machine with warm salt water and peroxide, and that has helped alot over the years. It used to knock it out completely (much like your upside down flooding) but now the infection has set in pretty deep and I it seems I need something more.

I appreciate the responses but they are not responsive to what I asked. I asked specifically about antibiotics put into the nasal irrigator (grossan or water-pic or whatever), not sinuneb which is a mist and not the same thing I am talking about. Sinucare, not Sinuneb, is the company I am referring to. From what I see on the internet, sinuneb is much less effective that irrigating with the antibiotic. Also, sinuneb is mainly for use after an operation.

Also, I would like first hand knowledge, not stuff I can read off the internet. Did you personally IV antibiotics? Did they work? How well?

To me, the most promising treatments outside of surgery seem to be irrigation with an antibiotic, irrigation with an anti-fungal, and IV anti-biotics. I don't think the upside down flooding does any more than irrigation (I wiggle that thing all over and kind of shove it up there to wash it out real good.) At least not in my case.

Please, some one look up the material on Sinucare and see what you think. Many top doctors are on the board (they also have antibiotic/antifungal nose sprays, but, like the sinuneb, I don't think a mist will do the trick.)

Lastly, if no one is trying these methods (approved by the Mayo Clinic, top hospital in the nation), WHY? I always get linked to Sinucare when I do searches, do other people not see that site? Do they not read it? Do they not believe it if they read it?
There has been studies that show the sinus infection can get into the bone, so that is why IV antibiotics may help, as they are much higher in concentration and can penatrate the bony tissue more. Dr. Grossan, Tichner, and others prescribe irrigation wtih antibiotics. Is there I reason why no one here seems to have tried these treatments?

Joe
On the Yahoo site for floroquinolones, there are about 800 people who have had nasty side-effects from Avelox. I have another 4000 reports on CD. These side-effects are serious; tendon ruptures, peripheral neuropathy, Stevens Johnson Syndrome, psychosis, etc. There is a book called "Bitter Pills" that talks about quinolones. You can find it on Amazon.

I don't know what the percentage of side-effects is. A vast majority go unnreported, so it is hard to say. The main issue is, these side-effects are devastating. If someone gave you a pill and said "here, take this. Just remember, there is a 1-2% chance you will end up in a wheelchair for the next 4 years" you might think twice.

My ENT is on the physicians board for Sinucare. he is one of the main guys. He did my surgery in March. If I get another active infection, I will try an antibiotic spray or SinuNeb system. Right now, I have some gunk in my sinuses, but I have managed to keep it under control. Symptoms are very mild.

Irrigation works wonders for me. If I get nasty discolored discharge, I add 3ml of hydrogen peroxide to the mix. Other than that, I use Sinofresh and antihistamines (Chlor-Tremeton works great). I'm on a restricted diet -no dairy, yeast, or refined sugar. This seems to have helped, since symptoms dramatically decreased after going on it.

My recommendation would be to start irrigating, preferably with a machine (pulse action helps the cilia), and start using Sinofresh twice a day. I use the Grossan Hydropulse Machine. In your case, start with this mixture

480ml of COOL distilled water
15ml of Alkalol (a mucus solvent)
3ml hydrogen peroxide
1 Tbs of kosher salt
a pinch of baking soda

Do this twice a day for 3 days. Then stop the Hydrogen Peroxide and Alkalol, but continue irrigating.

Your ENT should do a culture of the bacteria in your sinuses. This will allow him to formulate a better attack plan. Not all infections are bacterial -some are fungal. Do you get brownish discharge?

It's like asthma. I'm not sure if it ever goes away completely, but it can be controlled.
[QUOTE=chiggins1066]On the Yahoo site for floroquinolones, there are about 800 people who have had nasty side-effects from Avelox. I have another 4000 reports on CD. These side-effects are serious; tendon ruptures, peripheral neuropathy, Stevens Johnson Syndrome, psychosis, etc. There is a book called "Bitter Pills" that talks about quinolones. You can find it on Amazon.

I don't know what the percentage of side-effects is. A vast majority go unnreported, so it is hard to say. The main issue is, these side-effects are devastating. If someone gave you a pill and said "here, take this. Just remember, there is a 1-2% chance you will end up in a wheelchair for the next 4 years" you might think twice.

My ENT is on the physicians board for Sinucare. he is one of the main guys. He did my surgery in March. If I get another active infection, I will try an antibiotic spray or SinuNeb system. Right now, I have some gunk in my sinuses, but I have managed to keep it under control. Symptoms are very mild.

Irrigation works wonders for me. If I get nasty discolored discharge, I add 3ml of hydrogen peroxide to the mix. Other than that, I use Sinofresh and antihistamines (Chlor-Tremeton works great). I'm on a restricted diet -no dairy, yeast, or refined sugar. This seems to have helped, since symptoms dramatically decreased after going on it.

My recommendation would be to start irrigating, preferably with a machine (pulse action helps the cilia), and start using Sinofresh twice a day. I use the Grossan Hydropulse Machine. In your case, start with this mixture

480ml of COOL distilled water
15ml of Alkalol (a mucus solvent)
3ml hydrogen peroxide
1 Tbs of kosher salt
a pinch of baking soda

Do this twice a day for 3 days. Then stop the Hydrogen Peroxide and Alkalol, but continue irrigating.

Your ENT should do a culture of the bacteria in your sinuses. This will allow him to formulate a better attack plan. Not all infections are bacterial -some are fungal. Do you get brownish discharge?

It's like asthma. I'm not sure if it ever goes away completely, but it can be controlled.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the heads up on the Avelox.

I already use sinofresh, take allergy shots, irrigate with salt and peroxide, etc. Yes, it helps, but I want to GET RID of the infection, not just feel somewhat better. My goal is to either cure it or put it in remission, not some half-measure so I can merely tolerate my life. I demand more than that.

Are you aware that sinucare not only makes nose sprays with antibiotics but also antibiotics which are meant to be used for irrigation? That is why I am confused.
Your doc works for sinucare, but you are considering sinuneb, which not only has nothing to do with sinucare, but is their competition and an inferior product at that (the mist doesn't deliver or penitrate as well as irrigation with the antibiotic, or so I have read). I appreciate the above advice, but is there a reason you don't irrigate with an antibiotic as recommended by sinucare, a company which your doctor belongs to?

Or did your doc not recommend it to you? If so, why do you think that is? It seems like a great idea, much healthier than oral antibiotics, and like I said, better than sinuneb or even the sprays that sinucare sells. All the websites that are positive about sinuneb seem to be their corporate web pages. Grossan recommends the irrigation method, I described above (but he says be careful not to blow nose afterwards or you could force antiobiotics into ears or other unwanted areas which is dangerous) over the sinuneb.

I am just trying to figure this stuff out.

Thanks,
Joe





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