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[QUOTE=Feistybabyblues]Headaches are COMMON for ANY diet. Any time you change your eating habits your body needs to adapt. In the meantime you get the headaches. Also, lack of hydration causes headaches. So dont compound your problems by not drinking ALOT of water while youre shocking your system into a new lifestyle.[/QUOTE]

The headaches are typically from carb withdrawal and the fact that your body is converting to "Fat Metabolism" from carb metabolism.

You can get Urinary Ketone test strips which change from pink to purple to indicate how far into fat metabolism you are.

Rich
[QUOTE=Hamer]I hope you all who are on this diet are prepared to be on this diet the rest of your life. If you get off of it, you will gain the weight back. The healthiest diet is full of fruits and veggies, lean meat and whole wheat. The only fuel your brain runs on is carbs. ONLY. You probably have noticed that it is harder for you to concentrate than before.[/QUOTE]

Looks like you just listed what is on Atkins maintenance.

Fat (the good fats which are encouraged on low carb) is necessary for brain function. Funny how my brain is much clearer on a low carb plan. If I stray, I feel as if I am in a fog.

As far as staying on it for life, of course! That is how it is meant to work. Same goes for my friend who has lost 60 lbs on Weight Watchers. She is hungry in the night from staying within her point range. Poor thing, she could easily maintain her weight on a low carb plan and NOT be hungry. Will she be able to keep it off if she doesn't continue on her plan? No way. I don't know of any diet that can be done to lose the weight then maintain by going back to the former eating habits.
The reason you are getting headaches is because your body needs carbs.This is what your brain and nervous system runs on.Your brain needs carbs and it needs alot more than the atkins diet allows you to consume.When there is a lack of carbs in the body the brain needs to figure out a plan to get energy otherwise it will shut down and then your brain dead.So when you start consuming all that protein(which kills your kidneys by the way) and not carbs it needs to take fat and start converting into something called ketones and uses this as energy and is excreted through the urine.This may sound ideal the fact that your brain is burning fat for you but ketosis is not meant to be a lifestyle its meant for extreme situations like starvation but along with that fat it will eventually burn muscle and leech calcium making bones brittle not to mention the high cholesterol and other health related problems with atkins.I would reccomend you go off this diet right away for your own well being.If you need advice ask.I lost 45lbs on a high carb diet.
[QUOTE=nsa18]The reason you are getting headaches is because your body needs carbs.This is what your brain and nervous system runs on.Your brain needs carbs and it needs alot more than the atkins diet allows you to consume.When there is a lack of carbs in the body the brain needs to figure out a plan to get energy otherwise it will shut down and then your brain dead.So when you start consuming all that protein(which kills your kidneys by the way) and not carbs it needs to take fat and start converting into something called ketones and uses this as energy and is excreted through the urine.This may sound ideal the fact that your brain is burning fat for you but ketosis is not meant to be a lifestyle its meant for extreme situations like starvation but along with that fat it will eventually burn muscle and leech calcium making bones brittle not to mention the high cholesterol and other health related problems with atkins.I would reccomend you go off this diet right away for your own well being.If you need advice ask.I lost 45lbs on a high carb diet.[/QUOTE]

Actually a LC diet lowers triglycerides and cholesterol in most people. When on Atkins or Protein Power, you limit the carbs to 20-30 per day the first 2 weeks. After that carbs are added back in until you reach a gaining point. That is how you know your limit to acheive the weight loss. It is really helpful to read one of the books so that you understand how this way of eating actually works.

Protein builds muscle. And the brain needs good fats and oils. When on a LC diet, we don't eat just protein. However, I do believe that some people do it wrong, which is where the bad hype comes in.

After 5 years of low carbing, my brain and muscles are just fine, thankyouverymuch.
It always amazes me how people love to give their "opinions :rolleyes: ". Obvioulsy you have not read the Atkins book, and know nothing about the fact that this is a "lifestyle change" and not a diet. We eat enough good carbs, and still lose weight. The maintenance phase allows for even more good carbs. It is a much healthier way of eating than the high carb diets. You don't get the blood sugar spikes, hunger pangs, and cravings because you keep your blood sugar consistent. It works better in the long run for me and many others.

Please learn more about what you are saying. You are trying to discourage people from eating healthy and making a lifestyle change for the better. People need to do what's right for them, and Atkins is right for alot of people.

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If it works for you nsa, that's great. I don't see that anyone is having any kind of problem with the diet that works for you. Why are you having such a problem with what other people find works for them?

I used to following a high carb, quasi vegetarian plan . . . with the underlying philosophy of peace on earth, love your fellow creatures, blah, blah, blah. What I have found really fascinating since increasing protein (from animal sources primarily) is that I feel better about myself and as a result feel much more benevolent and tolerant of others. I celebrate others finding the correct path for them, even if it does not reflect exactly what I do.
[QUOTE=Hamer]I pretty much only eat fruits, veggies, whole-grains and meat occasionally and I couldn't be more regular. Fiber is your friend, and I'm sure most people on atkins do not get enough of it. I had horrible headeaches when I was on atkins a couple years ago and I was constipated, I felt dizzy, I couldnt concentrate and I had no energy whatsoever. That is no way to live! Now, I am always full of energy, I like to exercise and I stay the same weight (I even lost a few pounds) without even trying.[/QUOTE]

What you eat, though, is very similar to a low carb maintenance plan. You need to realize that some people cannot handle a ton of carbs. Hypoglycemics and diabetics do much better on a low carb diet. I do not get the spikes and crashes on a low carb plan like I do otherwise. What you eat seems to work great for you, but you can't knock what works for someone else. Just as you didn't like what you felt on the Atkins plan, I do not like the dizziness and nausea I get from eating all those carbs. I still eat adequate amounts of protein, some fruits, lots of salad and spinach and other veggies, nuts,flax meal,dairy, sometimes some brown rice or homemade whole wheat bread. I drink 100 oz of water a day, whereas before I low carbed, I rarely drank water. I do not feel my diet is lacking. In fact, I eat more veggies and whole foods than I ever did before low carbing.
If someone is checking for ketone bodies in their urine as a sign of progress on a low carb diet, that means they are striving for ketosis, which by definition means consumption of insufficient carbohydrates for the brain and nervous system.


[QUOTE=magicmom]Atkins dieters do eat a moderate amount of carbs daily. There have been many studies done on Atkins. There is no scientific proof of any of the things you say Atkins does. You misunderstand the diet. There are plenty of good carbs, fruits and vegetables in the eating plan. You really should read the book before making judgements on something you don't know much about.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=junkbondtrader]If someone is checking for ketone bodies in their urine as a sign of progress on a low carb diet, that means they are striving for ketosis, which by definition means consumption of insufficient carbohydrates for the brain and nervous system.[/QUOTE]

I do not personally check my urine for ketones. Ketone strips are unreliable and there other ways to tell if you are going into ketosis. I can tell by nausea.

You CAN lose weight without being in ketosis. Many people do, including myself.
Thank you for that post. Everyone seems to get their panties in a wad over ketosis. Since the dawn of time people have existed on berries, nuts, meats and plants. Obviously it worked, as we are all here.

Doesn't anyone realize that the USDA food pyramid was developed and promoted by......those who have a vested interest in agriculture? Big money is involved and the masses are being fed information that promotes agriculture. Look at the statistics for diabetes, heart disease, etc, as you stated compared to what most people eat and it has to be obvious. Low fat diets are as dangerous as eating McD's every day.The body needs good fats for the immune system, brain function, etc. Sugar feeds cancer, and *I* believe that low carb can help prevent the growth of cancer cells. It helps prevent and control diabetes. It lowers the bad cholesterol levels. Fat does not cause heart disease, the continuous spikes and drops in glucose levels do.

There is a reason that our society is bogged down by obesity and dieases. Considering low carb hasn't been popular in the last 50 years, I do not believe that this way of eating is as detrimental as most of the medical establishment would have us believe.
Not only is ketosis NOT dangerous for us, there is considerable evidence that it is the type of energy metabilism we were evolved to live by. High carbohydrate diets, in fact a consistent intake of any large amount of carbohydrates throughout the year (outside of a narrow peak growing season), did not occur until after the introduction of agriculture, and even more, until after food preservation methods became common. Just the last few centuries in many parts of the world, in other words.

There are still many cultures in the world--for example, many seaside peoples who live outside temperate zones--whose diets are such that they spend much of the year living on very protein heavy diets and thriving in almost permanent ketosis. Their brains do not fall out.

Pregnant women are in ketosis for most of that 40 weeks.

There are many situations, in other words, in which the body expects to cope by burning ketone bodies and does so, and thrives. Each of us owes our healthy birth to this process.

Ketosis is simply NOT ketoacidosis, despite the common tendency to confuse the two. No more than having some blood sugar at all is the same as having diabetes, a potentially fatal disease characterized by very high levels of glucose in the blood.

Hamer's and nsa's and junkbondtrader's postions are what were the common hypotheses before research actually began to be done on these points in the last several years. These were the ideas everyone repeated and expected, but no one had tested. Some seemed perfectly obvious--eat fats and your arteries will clog, as one example. Over the last decade or so, as researchers have tested more of these conceptions, they have proved to be misconceptions, or the medical/nutritional equivalent of urban myths.

The most surprising of these is that the arteries will not lay down fatty plaque on a low carbohydrate diet. Insulin is needed, and without carbs, no insulin. This was a terrific surprise to the early researchers--low carb, high-meat, cheese and egg diets actually lowered cholesterol and cardiac risk. But the results have come up in every study done so far.

The brain does very well without carbs (I have been following a low-carb diet for many years now, and my IQ just tested this weekend as high as in high school--which was a very respectable score, by the way). My total cholesterol is low (140), and hdl is high. I don't get headaches any more than everyone else--rarely. I don't suffer from weakness--have been increasing the intensity of my exercise program these last couple of years greatly in fact--and have added resistance training lately to very gratifying effect. And so on, and so on. If it was just me, it wouldn't mean much, but the research says this is typical.

The "expected" or predicted disasters simply do not show up in the research. Generally, the health results of low-carbing are measurably salutary.

And yes, going off the regimen will mean gaining the weight back This is true of ALL weight control regimens. You don't have to keep to a weight LOSS scenario for life, but yes, if you are of the metabolic or behavioral type to gain weight when not watching carefully, then of course going off a disciplined regimen (low carb or other) will be greeted by regaining the weight. That's how we got overweight to begin with.

A life-long change is needed. Atkins provides a phased way of getting to that life-long lifestyle change. There are other ways to do it, but this has worked for me and for many thousands of others. And, by and large, we are healthier for it.

You should follow whatever dietary program works for you, but leave us alone, would you, about Atkins? It is a great way to eat but if you are not following it, then it's no skin off your teeth, is it?

Best to you.


sean
I will only add a few points to Sean's post.

The concept of low fat high carb diets was built on a flawed study back in the fifties.
First a little background.
Just prior to WWll, the government was looking for a compact meal that could be carried in the field by the troops. They contacted a Univ. of Minnesota Nutritionist professor named Ansel Keyes to design such a meal.
Keys was the pre-eminent nutritionist of his time and took up the challenge and came up with the infamous "K Rations". The K stood for Keyes.
Aside from the nearly indigestible foodstuffs in his concoction, he included cigarettes, which he apparently thought were fine.

Keyes was also a big promoter of the health benefits of margarine over butter.
After the war, Keyes, with his new found reputation decided to do a study on what should be the ideal nutrition for Americans.
He put together a team and managed what was called the "Seven Countries Study" . His purpose was to find the definitive link to heart disease.
His conclusions, however were faulty, as later research would prove.
He determined that "low fat" and "lowering cholesterol" were the basis for good health. One of his major detractors was Eisenhower's personal physician who harshly criticized Keyes data linking low fat to health.
However, the agriculture industry embraced him and lobbied on his behalf.

Even when the government itself determined that some of Keyes initial findings were wrong, they did not change their position that fat is bad.

I can cite the relevant studies if need be, but I think everyone gets the gist of it.

The article cited by JunkbondTrader is misleading.
What actually occurs is that the body breaks down fats and essentially turns them into glucose for assimilation. The fat has more than double the energy value of carbohydrates. Essential Fatty Acids are needed for absorpttion of vitamins, cellular repair, and the formation of cholesterol. What is not used by the body beyond that is eliminated through excretion.

If anyone cares to research this further here are some things to look up.

Pyruvic Acid
ATP
Krebs Cycle (citric acid cycle)
Glycolysis


It is a fascinating study no matter what your views, but seperating fact from fiction will keep you healthier.
[QUOTE=junkbondtrader]its not worth arguing, to each his/her own. i still think the atkins diet is insane, you still probably think my diet is insane. but if we both feel healthy, and plan to stick with it anyway, arguing is pointless. hopefully before making any major dietary changes people will do their own research & talk to their doctors anyway and find something they feel comfortable with. peace.[/QUOTE]

JBT..
We are not arguing, just sharing differing opinions.
The whole objective is to achieve nutrition while stabilizing blood sugar levels, regardless of your diet.
Over time, glucose and insulin swings lead to diabetes, heart disease, and early aging.

A high carb diet is more inclined to bring about the above mentioned swings, but you can't feel them. The only thing you may feel is an energy boost followed by fatigue.

I would encourage everyone to get a glucose monitor and check their sugar levels regularly. They only cost about $15.

Far cheaper than a doctor's visit.
[QUOTE=nsa18]Even if fruit is loaded with "sugar".Do you actually think fruits are bad for you?? No one i know has ever had weight problems because of fruit. The problem with atkins is that they treat white sugar the same as sugar in fruits. Thats not correct. Sure the body converts both to glucose but white sugar is bad and fruits are not.[/QUOTE]

I think you are misunderstanding the concept.
When people do Atkins, the induction phase is designed to accomplish two things.
Stabilize the blood sugar
Promote the burning of stored fat.

Carbs inhibit the burning of fat due to the insulin produced.
Insulin actually blocks the burning of fat stores as a protective mechanism to prevent fat from competing with glucose for fuel.
That is why a low fat/high carb diet inhibits weight loss.
Most weight loss is lean muscle mass rather than fat.

With Atkins induction you use fat for fuel (the fat actually converts to glucose) and the blood sugar stays in check.
Fruit sugars are a little different than white sugar in that there are other components in fruit that slow down its effect on your glucose levels.

However, fruit sugar will also inhibit fat burning so that is why they are off limits during the induction phase. Once you are near your goal weight, fruits are reintroduced back into the diet.
I am also on this diet........I have not had my head hurt. I have been going to certain web sites that allow me to plan my meals in advance and it shows me my carb count and also a list of whats in the food i pick out. I love to play with it! ha ha
and believe it or not I EAT ALOT under 20 carbs! ha ha are you eating right? enough?
then again i sort of cut down on my coffee, what i did was mix my coffee 1/2 caffene and 1/2 not in each pot i make. so i lowered my caffene but not gave it up all the way........My goal is to get off it in time but i knew I could not go cold turkey. try this if your used to caffene....I still lost 4 pounds last week and did this.

muslimlady
[QUOTE=muslimlady]I am also on this diet........I have not had my head hurt. I have been going to certain web sites that allow me to plan my meals in advance and it shows me my carb count and also a list of whats in the food i pick out. I love to play with it! ha ha
and believe it or not I EAT ALOT under 20 carbs! ha ha are you eating right? enough?
then again i sort of cut down on my coffee, what i did was mix my coffee 1/2 caffene and 1/2 not in each pot i make. so i lowered my caffene but not gave it up all the way........My goal is to get off it in time but i knew I could not go cold turkey. try this if your used to caffene....I still lost 4 pounds last week and did this.

muslimlady[/QUOTE]

You should never go under 20 carbs a day. You cannot get enough veggies on that amount. Stay in the 20-30 range.
[QUOTE=Korn]so is atkins worth buying? . . .

If I do decide to go on atkins, what will exactly should I buy? (people who have done this)[/QUOTE]

The book is quite widely available in libraries and used book stores, but even the paperback is not terribly expensive, if money is tight (which it is for most students).

At this point in time there really are not many definitive answers about nutrition, and if it ever is sorted out my prediction is that they will find that no one plan is best for everyone. So we are left to read a variety of opinions and see what makes sense to us individually.

There is an awful lot of faulty information circulating about Atkins. There is one particular group of doctor who seem to be making a career of attacking Atkins. But, there have been no reported cases of anyone's brain shrivelling up (many report clearer thinking after cutting out carbohydrates [particularly refined ones]); and no one's colon has exploded (but please don't guzzle pepto - take a fiber supplement, if necessary); nor have they gone insane (though I think some have come close by being confronted over and over again by the same untrue criticisms of Atkins); nor kicked the bucket.

But planning on going on Atkins only until you lose the weight is not the best approach. Cutting carbs is a long term venture. With Atkins one starts by severely limiting carbohydrates and then adding them back gradually. Long term, I think most people still maintain a relatively low level of carbs - and the recommendation is to stay away from refined carbs as much as possible (which just about everyone recommends). If you don't have much weight to lose, it would be that cutting out refined and simple carbs could do the trick for you.

Really, you do not need to buy anything except whatever food you eat and supplements (recommendations are made in the book). There are lots of Atkins and low-carb products out there, but Atkins' recommendation is to eat real food and make every carb count by using them to eat nutrient dense foods.

Good luck!
I'm starting Adkins today - I have the book and a carb counter. Thanks to everyone who contributed to this thread - it was a most interesting and educating debate.

Be well!





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