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Last night I felt like someone was stabbing my left side and twisting the knife so badly that I almost died from the pain. I threw up a few times. Went to the ER and they said it was a 3mm kidney stone.

I have an appt. with a urologist tomorrow, that's the earliest I could get. Never had a kidney stone before and I'm terrified. The pain was so bad I thought I was going to die. Is it going to hurt like this when it passes? Is there anything I can do to help myself? I have no idea what to expect since I've never had one of these before. But I'm so afraid of that pain returning. The ER doctor gave me delauded in pill form, but he only gave me 16, so I hope I won't have a ton of pain. I'm about at a 1-2 right now whereas last night I was literally over a 20.
[QUOTE=Tivo123;3315101]Is it going to hurt like this when it passes? Is there anything I can do to help myself? I have no idea what to expect since I've never had one of these before.[/QUOTE]

Any stone that causes such pain is big enough for you. The stone was most likely passing through the ureter (the tube that connects the kidney to the bladder) which is only 3mm in diameter so your worst pain could be over (for this stone). See if your doctor can locate where it now resides (in the bladder?) or if you have anymore. Also, drink lots of water and filter your urine to find the stone. It is important to know the type of stone (calcium, struvite, uric acid, ...) for future treatment.
3mm is a nice size for a newbie. You may NOT even feel it coming out - maybe a llittle. Drink fluids until there is no tomorrow BUT make sure those fluids are not cranberry juice, soda, tea or coffee. Avoid any OTC pain killers that are blood thinners. Try to take an OTC anti-inflammatory and you should be fine. Also elevate your hips higher then your head a few times a day for about 20 minutes at a time to help move the stone along. Did they give you a strainer at the ER to catch it. Did they say where the stone was? The doc may suggest lithotripsy but I am not convinced it is big enough to go that route. You want to be careful how many lithotripsies (or he may call it a ESWL {swall}) you get some people have suffered severe damage from them. Look for signs of fever, sweats, chills, or blood in the urine (avoid dyed foods as it may confuse you.)

Good luck.
They did give me a strainer and a little cup. I've only had to pee once since I got home from the hospital. I'm trying to drink as much water as possible. That's the only thing i want to drink until this thing is over is water, that's it. Nothing else.

The ER doctor didn't tell me where the stone was located, just that I had one and it was 3mm. I am getting a copy of the CT scan and ultrasound later today from the hospital so I can bring it to the urologist tomorrow.

So, I'm hoping the worst of the pain is over, as you said, rpg. And thanks for the advice, 2 plus, about the litho thing. I read a little about it and it sounded pretty bad. I already have blood in my urine from the stone, but I'm hoping that it will stop once I pass it. I'm still really scared of the pain returning to the level it was at before. I sincerely hope not. I can't take much more of that again.

As for the pain meds, OTC, the doctor said I could take naproxen 550 mg. I don't know if that is a blood thinner or not? I am saving the Delauded for if the pain gets worse and doesn't get helped with the naproxen.
[QUOTE=Tivo123;3315256]They did give me a strainer and a little cup. I've only had to pee once since I got home from the hospital. I'm trying to drink as much water as possible. That's the only thing i want to drink until this thing is over is water, that's it. Nothing else.

The ER doctor didn't tell me where the stone was located, just that I had one and it was 3mm. I am getting a copy of the CT scan and ultrasound later today from the hospital so I can bring it to the urologist tomorrow.

So, I'm hoping the worst of the pain is over, as you said, rpg. And thanks for the advice, 2 plus, about the litho thing. I read a little about it and it sounded pretty bad. I already have blood in my urine from the stone, but I'm hoping that it will stop once I pass it. I'm still really scared of the pain returning to the level it was at before. I sincerely hope not. I can't take much more of that again.

As for the pain meds, OTC, the doctor said I could take naproxen 550 mg. I don't know if that is a blood thinner or not? I am saving the Delauded for if the pain gets worse and doesn't get helped with the naproxen.[/QUOTE]I think if it is passing okay with out any problems you can pass it on your own.6 mm or less usally passes on there own.Drinks lots of water.And buy a paint strainer if they didnt give you one at the hospital.
motrin might be better.
see the doctor and let us know what they say.
My 23 yr. old daughter was diagnosed with 2 stones in her kidney, 1 month ago.One was 11mm the other was 14mm. She had surgery 1 week ago and the urologist was only able to remove the 14 mm stone. The 11mm stone, according to a CT scan a few days ago, is now 5mm. The stone is located in a part of her kidney that she was unable to reach. My daughter went through a 4 hr. surgery,had to have 2 units of blood after surgery, and developed a pleural effusion. This has been a nightmare for our family.We go back to the urologist next week to see what she is going to do about this 5mm stone.My daughter is so scared to have another surgery. We spent 6 days in the hospital.We were told lithotripsy is not an option because of the size of the stone. Any advice or input would be greatly appreciated.
5mm may be passed on it's own and if it is shrinking this is a good think. It probably means it is uric acid and an increase in citrate will help decrease it even further. Goodluck!
Tivo- YOu should be able to maybe tell the location of the stone based on where your pain is located. For example my pain starts up high where my kidney is then starts moving down my back, then along my front in my pelvic area and then very very low almost where my ovaries would be- once it gets to the bladder I have no trouble passing it. Normally the pain will stop for several hours and then I find it in my strainer- I rarely feel it pass in the urine. Unless it's really big 6mm or so. Then it may sting a little coming out. THe pain comes from the stone moving down through your ureters. When I first had a stone they were so small. Not much bigger than a grain of sand and OOOHHH how it hurt. I thought I was dying, too. I was eighteen at the time and gave my wishes to mother incase I would die, I really thought I would :) When I saw the stone I thought surely that little thing couldn't have caused me all that pain? I have an unusaul situation and am allergic to anti-inflamitories (nsaids) but, I have been told they can really help. Kidney pain is hard to treat with regular pain meds like vicoden or darvocet- but, for some those work. Be glad they gave you the Dillaudid- because most dr's don't feel comfortable sending meds like that home with patients- afraid of abuse, ect. I've passed over 130 stones just in the last 2 years- so I sympathise with you. Hang in there.
[QUOTE=tanny24;3319710]My 23 yr. old daughter was diagnosed with 2 stones in her kidney, 1 month ago.One was 11mm the other was 14mm. She had surgery 1 week ago and the urologist was only able to remove the 14 mm stone. The 11mm stone, according to a CT scan a few days ago, is now 5mm. The stone is located in a part of her kidney that she was unable to reach. My daughter went through a 4 hr. surgery,had to have 2 units of blood after surgery, and developed a pleural effusion. This has been a nightmare for our family.We go back to the urologist next week to see what she is going to do about this 5mm stone.My daughter is so scared to have another surgery. We spent 6 days in the hospital.We were told lithotripsy is not an option because of the size of the stone. Any advice or input would be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]


I completley understand what your daughter is going through. I've passed 130 stones in last 2 years and I am 25. Before that I passed 12 or so between the ages of 18-23. I've been in and out of the hospital for a while now. First of all I would suggest she get another opinion, becuase my Dr has broken up 4 mm stones before- so it is a possibility. I understand with all the problems she had why she would be scared. Tell her (if she has not had kids or plans to in the future) she needs to ask her Dr if pregnancy will make her make more stones- my Dr's never addressed this issue until I was 30 weeks pregnant and had passed 40 something stones and they said "oh yeah well obviously if you had stones before they are going to get worse during pregnancy." No one had ever told me that- not my gyno who knew I had stones or my urologist. If lithotripsy is not an option (normally it is not an option for me) than she can pass that size stone- lord knows I have passed stones that I never thought I could. Uricit-k has never shrunk stones for me yet or made me stop making them. Tell her to please do what ever she can now to get a handle on this and prevent them in the future. It can change your life living in pain everyday and prevent you from doing the normal things a young woman wants to do- It has with me. Those are pretty big stones she is making. Good luck to her.





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