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Vicodin and Driving
Mar 24, 2009
My husband wants to drive 17 hours to Florida for a vacation with a herniated disc. His doctor prescribed vicodin for the pain and he believes after taking the vicodin, he will be able to make the drive with me, our son, and the son of a good friend as passengers in the car. Is he crazy or am I just being paranoid?
No- you are not crazy. If your husband has not been taking Vicodin for an extended period of time, thus allowing his body to adjust and be used to this medication, then it's not safe for him to drive a vehicle.

Now, I take Norco which has Vicodin in it, and have been taking it for several years now, so when I take it, it doesn't alter my judgement or reaction time. It's like taking a Motrin. I take the Norco, don't get any euphoria or energy boost, but my pain levels decrease, you know what I mean?

Is it possible for you to drive with him making sure the map/directions are clear for you to drive?

I just wouldn't want to take any chances with my own kids and especially not someone else's chidlren, because if something were to happen, it would be a bad situation.

Now, if we are making a long road trip, I let my husband do the driving because I do take these medications. I still can't relax because my hubby has no sense of direction and I still end up basically getting us there, just not behind the wheel...haha :p

This is just my opinion, but if I were you, I'd be the one driving and let hubby be the co-pilot. Hope you guys have a great trip!
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Driving under the influence. I agree with Ozzybug on NOOOOOOOOoooooo!

It tells you on the lable. Don't get near or operate heavy machinery...

Wouldn't want that nightmare on my mind; if I lived...Let alone replay that in my mind for the rest of my life . all the people involved...the families that are gonna pay for this in the name of Vicoden !!! Oh,my word!!!
No one intends on having an accident or killing anyone.
What's he want 15min. of fame via the News cast. At everbodies expence ???
What is there some kind of Gold Pendant or Wreath to wear over his head in accomplishing this...

Here's that LOVE thing again...

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Well,
It depends on how much it effects him with making him drowsy, sedated, dizzy, etc. He could try taking them a day or two before the trip and see how they effect him. It might come down to you having to do more of the driving. I can tell you that I am on a lot of strong medications and I drive everyday. However, if I was involved in an accident I could be charged with OMVI in the state of Ohio. It is pretty much the case in every state now too.

brian
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Is he crazy or am I just being paranoid?[/QUOTE]

He's crazy. He shouldn't even be driving 17 hours without meds, much less with them.


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I just wouldn't want to take any chances with my own kids and especially not someone else's chidlren, because if something were to happen, it would be a bad situation.[/QUOTE]

Exactly! I dare say that if they knew he was taking this type of medication and driving, they wouldn't get in the car with him.


[QUOTE=ozzybug;3933077]

This is just my opinion, but if I were you, I'd be the one driving and let hubby be the co-pilot. Hope you guys have a great trip![/QUOTE]

A great idea.


Regards,

Ex
I take vicodin daily and it has never made me tired, drowsy or interfered with my driving. On my label it says to use caution before driving/machinery as it MAY cause drowsiness.

I asked my doctors about this and they told me it effects each person differently and to use caution at first. One person may feel very groggy and dizzy while someone like me... it does not.

My advice to you....see how the medication affects him. Will he be honest with you? My husband was on percocet once and he was so out of it. There is no way I would let my children in a car with him while he was on that medication.

Good luck and I hope the medication does help some of your husbands pain.

I also wanted to add: I am not sure of your situation, but airline tickets are really low right now. One airline is having a $49 each way sale. There is no way I could ever be in a car for 17 hours. Even though me might think the meds are helping, he might regret sitting for that much time. I would hate for him to get stuck somewhere or be in so much pain that he doesn't enjoy his trip.

10sox
To be honest, it's the 17 hours of driving with a herniated disc that worries me...depending on how long he's been taking the vicodin. If he's been on it for a number of months steadily, it's unlikely that it would affect him that much - but if it does at all, life is too important to take the risk.
His doctor is really the best person for you both to talk to - for a number of reasons. Is he ok to drive? Are you ok with him driving and if you're not, it's probably better that he doesn't anyway...who wants to go on a holiday where you are stressed the whole time for the safety of your family?
If he is not affected by the Viocodin, I'd be very worried about his herniated disc and sitting for that long - what if it gets worse and compresses nerves and he ends up wose? Or is the driving going to put him in so much pain that he's not going to enjoy the holiday either?
It's difficult being in your situation especially when you have a family to look after too.
I hope that you work it all out and have a wonderful trip - sounds like you could do with a holiday :)
I don't mean to preach here, but we have to all remember that "how" it makes us feel is really irrelevant. God forbid, but if there is some accident and controlled meds are in one's system, one can only expect it to become a potential criminal [U][B]AND[/B][/U] liable situation. And, the more one takes, the worse the legal outcome will be.

Just because meds come from a physician doesn't mean anyone is less liable for their actions. Legally, there is [B][U]NO[/U][/B] difference between driving drunk and driving under the influence of meds.

Regards,

Ex
[QUOTE=Executor;3935360]I don't mean to preach here, but we have to all remember that "how" it makes us feel is really irrelevant. God forbid, but if there is some accident and controlled meds are in one's system, one can only expect it to become a potential criminal [U][B]AND[/B][/U] liable situation. And, the more one takes, the worse the legal outcome will be.

Just because meds come from a physician doesn't mean anyone is less liable for their actions. Legally, there is [B][U]NO[/U][/B] difference between driving drunk and driving under the influence of meds.

Regards,

Ex[/QUOTE]

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Oh, it doesn't effect me...[U]It effects [/U][U]you enough to take the pain away[/U]. Then, hence your effected. I take this much.....:dizzy: :confused: :eek: :dizzy::confused: :eek: I felt as if I'd gone into brag-zzzzzz-ville on how much of what...who takes.... That was defeating the responsiblity of Meds. and Driving...
I've really learned from this......

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I remember reading a heated thread about this very same topic a while back (not sure if it was this board or not). People tend to be very passionate about their point-of-view. Unfortunately any drug can affect your driving performance....including over-the-counter cold medicine. However, driving with cold medicine in your system is not likely to get you a DUI (but I have heard in some rare cases, that it can)

With that said, you husband would have to be VERY confident that his driving is not being impaired from the vicodin (and not sure if that is possible with just starting the medication). If he were to cause an accident that resulted in bodily harm, he would probably be required to get a blood test. And even if his driving was not impaired by the vicodin (maybe he was changing the station on the radio and that was the true cause) he would be charged with a DUI. (one could argue the vicodin caused him not to think cleary and look at the dial too long, but most likely he was just doing something that many have done without being on pain meds...just changing the station)

There are many, many people who take narcotic pain medication who are able to drive and function in society. Unfortunately, there are also many who abuse it. To me, it's not really black and white. There is a HUGE gray area. Is it safer to drive in debilitating pain where all you can focus and think about is your pain and then not be able to fully apply your brake petal due to the pain? Some may say yes. Is it really possible to give up all driving when you have a family to provide for? Some may say yes, some no. Is it any more dangerous than talking on your cell phone while driving? Is it really possible that one can drive with pain medication and not be effected enough to become a hazard on the road? This is the million dollar question.

Back to your question. I would have a hard time feeling comfortable driving such a long distance with your husband. I know from experience that being in a car that long with a bad back is not a good combination. Add the uncertainty of this drug in the mix, and that would be enough for me to have a serious conversation with him. Driving down the road to the grocery store and driving cross country seem to be on a different level.

Again, good luck and hopefully you will find a safe way for all of you to travel on your vacation.
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Driving down the road to the grocery store and driving cross country seem to be on a different level.[/QUOTE]

Very good point.

Many of us may think that the meds don't affect us, but in reality, they do....More than we care to admit, or realize. Driving long distances is already tough enough....The effects of meds can be the differentiator...Not quite quick enough reaction, nod off for a second, or a number of other circumstances.

I find it very interesting that most pain contracts today contain significant language re: driving. Although they often say something about being able to drive, they also contain language saying the patient is ultimately responsible and that one should be cognizant of the risks associated with driving under the influence of medication. It's very clear that the PM Physicians are putting this in writing, and in a contract form, to mitigate any potential liability for themselves. Therefore, it falls squarely on the patient.

Regards,

Ex
Maybe I'm not the poster child for sober driving, but I've never had a problem, caused an accident, received any type of traffic violation, or anything relating to driving while on pain medication. I drive everyday, sometimes for up to 6 hours straight, on Oxy 15's (or equivalent). Does this go against what is on the side of the bottle? Yes. Do I sometimes feel that I'm doing something wrong? Yes. Do I make a conscious effort to focus more on driving safely because I am on meds? Yes. Does any of this validate me taking risks with my life and others around me? No.

Honesty: hey, it's a message board, why not?

JB
This is certainly a difficult topic. Perhaps in Australia things are different but I'd like to put a couple of questions forward:
How much driving is too much?
Should anyone on narcotics drive at all?
Our labels read 'This medication may cause drowsiness and may increase the effects of alcohol. If affected, do not drive a motor vehicle or operate machinery'.
Many people cannot afford not to drive here (because of distance and lack of public transport) but I know that it's not illegal to be found with narcotics in your blood stream provided they are prescibed for you. Anti-depressants have been found to affect spatial and depth perception to a higher degree than narcotics (once a person has reached a stable dose). I don't know the answers to these questions, I wonder about what is right and wrong and I do what 'I know' to be right. There are a lot of questions that I don't know the answers to in regards to this topic. It is important though.
Any number of medications can make you sleepy and are marked to indicate you should not take while driving until you know how it affects you. It can be anything from an antihistimine to blood pressure or heart medications. I would avoid driving for two or three days until you are used to the medication. I wouldn't try to make a 17 hour trip with me as the sole or primary driver, but I drive back and forth to work every day and don't hesitate to drive to do errands etc. It's a fine line for anybody taking medication of any sort that can make you sleepy, not just pain medication.

Tigg.
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It's a fine line for anybody taking medication of any sort that can make you sleepy, not just pain medication. [/QUOTE]

Absolutely.

I think the bottom line with all of this is that we're all ultimately responsible for our actions, and have to make the best decisions we can given our circumstances. And God forbid, if something were to happen, those with meds in the their system are going to face a much bigger legal wrath than otherwise....Regardless of "how" you feel, or how long you've been taking them, what the Doc says, and etc. The law is the law.

Regards,

Ex
[QUOTE=Juliet31;3936254]This is certainly a difficult topic. Perhaps in Australia things are different but I'd like to put a couple of questions forward:
How much driving is too much?
Should anyone on narcotics drive at all?
Our labels read 'This medication may cause drowsiness and may increase the effects of alcohol. If affected, do not drive a motor vehicle or operate machinery'.
Many people cannot afford not to drive here (because of distance and lack of public transport) but I know that it's not illegal to be found with narcotics in your blood stream provided they are prescibed for you. Anti-depressants have been found to affect spatial and depth perception to a higher degree than narcotics (once a person has reached a stable dose). I don't know the answers to these questions, I wonder about what is right and wrong and I do what 'I know' to be right. There are a lot of questions that I don't know the answers to in regards to this topic. It is important though.[/QUOTE]


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This is the warning on the side of my vicodin bottle, and what is written on the pamphlet:

DO NOT DRINK ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES WHEN TAKING THIS MEDICATION

MAY CAUSE DIZZINESS

MAY CAUSE DROWSINESS. ALCOHOL MAY INTENSIFY THIS EFFECT

USE CARE WHEN OPERATING A CAR OR DANGEROUS MACHINERY.
(no where does it say not to drive, but only to use care)


This is some research I found when I first started pain management if anyone is interested:

"Driving under the influence (DUI) or driving while impaired or intoxicated (DWI) does not just relate to an intoxicated driver that has consumed alcohol. It is possible to be convicted of DUI or DWI when the driver has used a drug, whether a legal or illegal drug, and whether prescribed by a physician or not.

In many states, the definition of a drug is very broad, and typically includes any substance that can affect a person's mental or physical capacities to the extent that driving may be affected. In fact, it is possible to be convicted of driving under the influence of drugs where the drug is of the over-the-counter variety, such as cold medicine, or even coffee or caffeine pills, if their consumption results in impairment.

As to what constitutes being "under the influence" or "impaired" for purposes of DUI drugs or DWI drugs, the definition used in California is a typical example: A drug must be capable of affecting the nervous system, brain, or muscles of an individual as to impair, to an appreciable degree, his or her ability to drive a vehicle in the manner that any ordinarily prudent and cautious person, in full possession of his faculties, using reasonable care, would drive a similar vehicle under like conditions.

How does the prosecution in a DUI drugs case go about proving that drugs have impaired the driver's abilities to the extent necessary to support a conviction? In much the same way that they do in driving under the influence of alcohol case: By arguing the circumstantial evidence, such as the manner in which the car was driven, the physical signs and symptoms of the driver, the driver's performance on field sobriety tests, the chemical test results of the driver's blood or urine, or the testimony of a prosecution drug recognition expert.


The punishment in a DUI drugs case is similar to DUI alcohol in the event of a conviction. However, in many states, the Department of Motor Vehicles does not have jurisdiction to take a separate action against the person's driving privileges. That is because the DMV's jurisdiction arises out of a violation of the "per se" laws, which make it a crime to drive with an alcohol level that is above the legal limit. Since there are no "per se" levels established for driving under the influence of drugs, those who stand accused of DUI drugs do not have to deal with this separate proceeding.

However, some jurisdictions will impose harsher punishments for driving under the influence of drugs, including a loss of driving privileges as a consequence from the court, even if there is no administrative hearing with the DMV. It is also important to realize that many jurisdictions do not allow for drug diversion programs, where the drug offense takes place in a car, due to the extra element of danger to those on the roadway. Because of the differences from state to state, it is critical to consult with a lawyer in your jurisdiction that is familiar with DUI cases."

I do think this is an important topic and I do find it interesting how some perscription labels say NOT to drive, while others say use CARE. Keep the discussion going, because I would love to learn as much as I can on this.
[QUOTE=Executor;3936375]Absolutely.

I think the bottom line with all of this is that we're all ultimately responsible for our actions, and have to make the best decisions we can given our circumstances. And God forbid, if something were to happen, those with meds in the their system are going to face a much bigger legal wrath than otherwise....Regardless of "how" you feel, or how long you've been taking them, what the Doc says, and etc. The law is the law.

Regards,

Ex[/QUOTE]

I think this post sums it up for me.

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JB(kidding):angel:
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However, some jurisdictions will impose harsher punishments for driving under the influence of drugs, including a loss of driving privileges as a consequence from the court, even if there is no administrative hearing with the DMV. [/QUOTE]

Interesting....I did not know this.

Regards,

Ex
I did want to say that I got into an accident a little over a year ago and I was on my way to work. My pain was unbearable and I was taking several medications including Ultram, Lyrica, etc. I was also talking on my cell phone which I probably should not do. Anway I went through a yellow light and speeded up to get through it and someone that had just gone through the intersection in front of me slammed on his brakes and I did not react quickly enough and hit him in the rear of the car. Thankfully the police did not make me take a blood test, did not ask if I was using drugs, and I did not volunteer the information. However, if they had suspected I could have been charged with DUI or OMVI(operating a motor vehicle under the influence). I have tried to be more careful and pay more attention while driving because it is something that I have to do every day. I have to work and therefore have to drive to work. In case your wondering what I received from the ticket, well I went to court and the case was dismissed because the cop had left a few minutes before my case was heard. I know that I was definitely lucky on that one.:eek:

brian
DB, it is definitely not illegal to drive when taking narcotics in Australia - it is illegal to drive if you are adversely affected by any prescription, OTC med or alcohol. It is illegal to drive under the influence of illegal drugs.

It is a fact that many cp patients who are used to their medications drive. Many have no choice.

I think you have to separate cp patients on stable meds (who probably can't drive very far anyway) from thos who are taking short term narcotics.

Ex, just to confirm, are you saying that no one should drive when taking meds that may affect concentration? Just not sure that I fully understood.

10sox, thanks 4 your post, I think that your laws are not unlike ours, relating more to the patients 'affected' behaviour than what they are taking, provided it's legal.

Thanks all :)
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Ex, just to confirm, are you saying that no one should drive when taking meds that may affect concentration? Just not sure that I fully understood.
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IMHO, each person has to make the best decision they can given the circumstances of their particular situation. I'm not going to preach that no driving should occur because in reality, most of us need to drive at some point or another. All I'm saying, however, is that we should be very careful and aware of when we should and shouldn't drive....No different than drinking. Some of us take more meds than others, and some of us use BT meds, or have bad days, which then requires more meds.

Regardless of the circumstances, we have to also realize that God forbid, if something terrible were to happen, then we could be more responsible than otherwise, due the meds in our system....It's something to factor in. If you're in a fender bender, chances are no one will suspect anything, unless course a person is behaving erratically. However, in more serious accidents, especially those involving loss of life, it is very routine for blood testing & etc to occur.

In the case of the OP, there are several factors involved...The distance being driven, medication, and other people in the car. Someone even commented that driving around town vs across the country, are two different matters all together.

Regards,

Ex
Just a note to all who may read this thread. I am in the northeastern US for reference.

I am a chronic pain patient under the care of a PM doc. Currently I take 30 mg oxycodone 3X a day. This has been for several months as a step up from vicodin. In November, I was involved in a single car accident. The police were called as I hit a fence...long story short, I am now facing jail time. I am charged with DUI because my meds were in my system. Even if I had not taken them that day, they still could have said that I was under the influence. I tried to cooperate, and now I am going to have a criminal record even though I didn't do anything wrong.

It's a bad idea to take any narcotic and drive. I was even told that there have been cases in my immediate area where people were charged with DUI because benadryl was involved. It's not worth it.

Jean
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In November, I was involved in a single car accident. The police were called as I hit a fence...long story short, I am now facing jail time. I am charged with DUI because my meds were in my system.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for sharing your story....

Just curious....How did they know to test you? Did they ask you if you had anything in your system? Seems like the punishment is overkill to me. I realize the law is the law, and I've been saying just that (in this thread), but you didn't hurt anyone. Most first time offenders who get DUIs for alcohol don't get jail time.

Regards,

Ex
[QUOTE=Executor;3937409]IMHO, each person has to make the best decision they can given the circumstances of their particular situation. I'm not going to preach that no driving should occur because in reality, most of us need to drive at some point or another. All I'm saying, however, is that we should be very careful and aware of when we should and shouldn't drive....No different than drinking. Some of us take more meds than others, and some of us use BT meds, or have bad days, which then requires more meds.

Regardless of the circumstances, we have to also realize that God forbid, if something terrible were to happen, then we could be more responsible than otherwise, due the meds in our system....It's something to factor in. If you're in a fender bender, chances are no one will suspect anything, unless course a person is behaving erratically. However, in more serious accidents, especially those involving loss of life, it is very routine for blood testing & etc to occur.

In the case of the OP, there are several factors involved...The distance being driven, medication, and other people in the car. Someone even commented that driving around town vs across the country, are two different matters all together.

Regards,

Ex[/QUOTE]

I think that this opinion is closest to my own. In a perfect world none of us would drive but most of us need to. I am glad that Australia is a little different in that it wouldn't be criminal if you are driving whilst taking benedryl, narcotics etc - unless of course these meds are affecting concentration & you are acting as you normally would,'t.

Thanks.
Ex,

I completely agree with you. From the beginning I was treated like a criminal. There are so many things that are wrong with my police report it's ridiculous. For whatever reason, the jerk wanted to find something to hit me with, so he requested a breathalyzer and a blood test. If I had not submitted, they would have assumed guilt and prosecuted as such.

Jean
Jean-

Again, thanks for sharing your story....I think a lot of us can learn from something like this.

After the accident, I presume they asked you to take a breathalizer....When you passed it, did the police officer then push for a blood test, or did you admit that you had taken meds?

I guess I'm trying to learn the details surrounding the chain of events, if you don't mind sharing. Again, many of us can learn from something like what you've been through. I'm so sorry to hear that they are trying to force jail time on you. That should be reserved for those who are "wreckless" and / or when someone gets hurt.

Regards,

Ex
Ex,

Yes, I scored a 0.00 on the breathalyzer as I knew I would. I thought that I was in the clear as I was on prescribed meds at the prescribed dose, so I told them then. I had the bottle with me and everything. Then this a**hole (sorry) writes in the report that in addition to me taking my meds I told him I take xanax. I have never had a freakin xanax in my life! He totally lied in the report more than once.

Not trying to make excuses here, but I would fail a sobriety test no matter what I did or didn't take. I have no balance left after years of spraining my ankle and 3 surgeries that resulted in RSD in my lower leg. Also I have no vision in my left eye, so it drifts wherever it wants to. The only fair test was the test of counting 30 seconds. I was off 1 second one time, 2 the other. Definitely nothing to show impairment as the opiates would have slowed down my perception of time.

But, I cannot stand on one foot and hold the other one out any more than I can make my bad eye follow the same track as my good eye. I knew before we even started I was screwed. My goal in posting is to keep at least one person from going through what I went through. I know you have to do things sometimes, but beware.

Jean
Pretty interesting discussion and also that the person who started the whole thread hasn't been back in the discussion since originally posting it - maybe they left for vacation!

I don't like driving on medications and rarely drive for all the reasons listed. Although I am commonly questioned by people who cannot believe that I am as medicated as I am, they are awestruck that it appears from all indications that I have nothing in my system. They are expecting some slurry, dizzy - drunk like person I guess. I remind them I am professionally managed by a pain expert who knows what combination of medications work for me. I am more afraid of my physical abilities impacting how I drive including pain and muscle spasms/freeze ups.

Each person responds differently and everyone also fatigue can play a big role in all of this and make a big impact.

If you decide to drive plan your medication schedule the best around your driving and to have the least amount of active medication in your system and don't forget it's not only the narcotic ones that affect judgement, alertness, etc.!
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Not trying to make excuses here, but I would fail a sobriety test no matter what I did or didn't take. I have no balance left after years of spraining my ankle and 3 surgeries that resulted in RSD in my lower leg. Also I have no vision in my left eye, so it drifts wherever it wants to. The only fair test was the test of counting 30 seconds. I was off 1 second one time, 2 the other. Definitely nothing to show impairment as the opiates would have slowed down my perception of time.
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Were you not able to argue these points in court? Did you have an atty? Amazing that the cop lied...I guess he wanted to ensure a conviction. I've heard too many "cop" stories in my life...Hope I don't come in contact with any..I'd be scared to death.

Ex
Ex,

The public defender said that there was no point in going to court. If I went, I would get a minimum of 2 days in jail, fines, and 1 yr probation as well as license gone for 1 yr. They said no matter what the level in my blood was they would say that I was impaired. It's a SCH II narc, so they are trying to make some sort of point, I guess.

The only way to avoid jail time was to sign up for ARD, it's an alcohol diversion course (again, no alcohol involved). This means classes, fines, 35 hrs community service, license gone for 60 days, and 1 yr. supervision. Once the fines are paid, they may very well let me off early, they just want to make sure you have sufficient time to pay back the fines.

To recap, I was told if I went to court, there was no way to avoid jail, and I could be facing a much stiffer punishment. So, I chose the ARD program.

Jean
Jean-
What actually caused you to drive into the fence? Do you feel your driving is being impaired from you ankle weakness or vision?
10sox
10,

No, I am not impaired by either. I have a good eye that I can see 20/20 with glasses. It was a slow progression, so I didn't notice the good eye taking over. And the affected ankle is on the left. I drive with the right foot.

I blacked out once before about 7 years ago. A cause was never found following many tests. Then I merely scraped a guardrail close to home, but I was very concerned. Eventually I got over it since the docs said nothing wrong. It had not happened again until that day, and it hasn't happened since. No one knows.

Jean
wow...that must have been very scary. I hope the doctors can find the reason for the blackout. I guess you were very lucky to "only" hit a fence. I have a friend whose husband died the day after Christmas. He was driving on the interstate alone (he was going to the office for a couple hours). His car ran right into an overpass. He was killed instantly. He was the only car involved. There were no skid marks. The autopsy showed no underlying illness and no drug/alcohol use. He had a good nights sleep (it happened in the morning). He left behind three kids, all under the age of five. Very heartbreaking.

I am very sorry for your situation and it sounds like you unfortunately encountered a police officer that wanted to make an example of you. I probably would have fought it tooth and nail...hired an attorney if I needed to...Just to prove a point. But then again, who knows until one is actually in the predicament.

10sox
This is my first, and last, encounter with the law. I never thought about what I would do. I am grateful that no one was hurt. I couldn't live with myself if I did something to someone else, no matter what the circumstances. I am sad for your friend, I cannot imagine.

I just know that for me, I do not drive anymore if I have taken my meds at all that day. Too much of a risk for me. I am not going through that ever again.

Jean
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Thank-You jma295psu & brianpain33 in sharing your experiences.




This thread, has offered quite afew varieties of:

1). Personal validation of why one needs to do what they do.
2). How much med. one can take & drive.
3). How some are not [U]aware of ramifications [/U]if there is an accident.
[U]Regardless of severity[/U]. or location.
4). Truth of the Law presented.
5). Evaluation of taking Meds. & sugjestion of possible change.

6). Distance in driving should be considered ~while medicated. Post 11
7). Dr. Offices are having patients sign away who is responsible. Post 11
8). DMV-quote Post 19
9). Reviewing what the label on Meds.. reads & cking the Scripts warnings
includes OTC Meds.
10). Splitting hairs; on Facts is Facts.

IT BOILS DOWN TO ~ ~ ~


I couldn't live with the memory in my mind that I've caused someone any loss of life nor limb. Let alone the possible lawsuit. I'm in enough physical pain.!! I surely don't need that.
What am I doing ? What do I need to change? Apparently, the LAWS were put in place due to repeatitive great loss. This isn't written lightly either. Example (M.A.D.D.)
I need my medicine !!so I can have some sort of life. Yet, am I living on the cuspe of taking someone elses life or limb. Do I dare take that chance. Also, losing my modest home & all that I've worked so hard to get & sustain. Possibly, my employment ...... with all that, that implies...
With these Posts ~ I've got to ask myself and put it out there to all who do go through ~ ~ C.P. daily. and needs to use Dr. scripts and or OTC meds. with caution ect. We're creative !! What are our options or ideas that can be implemented.

Everybody's situation is different. No Doubt!!
I personally get frustrated with the No, You can't. Give me some ideas to work with...

I'm unable to locate one of the posts that I'd read. I'd like to personally implement. Hoping to share when I find it...


Best Regards to all.












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Drain Bamaged,

Thank you for the great post summing everything up! I think perhaps we should leave that as a finishing note :)

Jean
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The public defender said that there was no point in going to court. If I went, I would get a minimum of 2 days in jail, fines, and 1 yr probation as well as license gone for 1 yr. They said no matter what the level in my blood was they would say that I was impaired. It's a SCH II narc, so they are trying to make some sort of point, I guess.

The only way to avoid jail time was to sign up for ARD, it's an alcohol diversion course (again, no alcohol involved). This means classes, fines, 35 hrs community service, license gone for 60 days, and 1 yr. supervision. Once the fines are paid, they may very well let me off early, they just want to make sure you have sufficient time to pay back the fines.

To recap, I was told if I went to court, there was no way to avoid jail, and I could be facing a much stiffer punishment. So, I chose the ARD program.

Jean[/QUOTE]

I understand....I'm sure you were scared....I would be! There's no doubt in my mind that the "system" bullies people into accepting these deals....It's more money for them and it pads their conviction rates & etc. It's absurd that you have to go to an alcohol class when alcohol wasn't even involved. That's like one getting a DUI for drunk driving and they send you to a narcotics class.

Your story is amazing......And, I very much appreciate you sharing it.

Take care,

Ex
I am in Australia and as far as driving under the influence at least in Queensland they have just resently came up with a test for drugs on the side of the road. In the introdutory advertising they have anounced that it only picks up ileagel drugs not any under prescription. But that has had me worried. How does it know if it is a prescription medication. Will it pick up valium or fentinal from my patch. I don't use any endep or short acting narcotic meds as they are heaverly regulated here.
I thought about dropping in to a police station and asking but I had second thoughts. So I will try to find out.
The reason I worry is that every now and then I feel a bit dizzy driving and try to get strait home as soon as I can. But mostly I don't feel any efect as my meds are hardly enough to keep my pain in control, though I am on fairly strong med's. 100 mcgm Patch and valium at times etc.
This thread has me a bit concerned now as I rely on my car to get to Dr and Chemist etc and I live on the Hyway a bit out of town.
Thanks for the reminder. Allan
Hi AB, please don't worry - the test will not pick up fentanyl or anything else you might take unless you regularly use cocaine and they are also trying to make it more sensitive for ecstacy. This is ALL that it tests for.
I was actually given a drug test during the trials in Melbourne and had no problems - I did volunteer what I was taking but I later found out that this is unnecessary.
If you would feel better, approach you local station - you don't need to worry unless you partake in illegal drug use. They won't mind either as it isn't illegal to drive when taking prescription medication and we are also allowed to question what might possibly be given to us by the police.
So, worry not. I hope this make you feel better :)
[QUOTE=jma295psu;3939248]Drain Bamaged,

Thank you for the great post summing everything up! I think perhaps we should leave that as a finishing note :)

Jean[/QUOTE]

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[COLOR="Green"]Thank-You Jean... Executor..10Sox...neckpatient...teegertoo2174..JBrown...ozzybug..Juliet31..brianpain..[/COLOR][COLOR="green"]To all whom participated and for those whom share anew on this [/COLOR][COLOR="green"]thread.[/COLOR] I will be checking back to read of anymore inputs.
[U]After great thought and consideration for myself and family ~ for other [/U][U]people and their families... [/U]I am working dilligently with not driving..There are people around me that shop at the same grocery stores for that (gal of milk,lb of bread).
Quite afew of the grocery stores where we live; one can call or place an order via the computor..The order awaits your inspection and P.U. Some of them even deliver. Any other time my friends will take me. That in itself will be worked out so we can work together. Not everyone has the same schedual. So,if I'm out of something to complete the receipe for the meal that night; I will have to change. When I do cook it will be done now where all is made in triplicate so I can freeze portions.
Bills can be paid on line now ~Auto debit and deposits~ Stamps too.
As far as work. There are quite a few people whom I can car pool. Also, take Public Transit to Train Station. Then an associate will pick me up at the station. I'll make sure I'll have [COLOR="Green"]my lil bag of sustainance, H2o & a mag or book [/COLOR][COLOR="green"]to read[/COLOR]. Know full well not all people are on time.
I did that when I was in College. Took Bus 40mi. and back again after classes ~ in enough time to get ready for work in mid afternoon then an assosiate picked me up for work and took me home. I didn't have a car then.
[COLOR="Green"][U]There are lots that I can change and I'm thankful I can... In agreement, It [/U][/COLOR][COLOR="green"][U]maybe inconvienent, uncomfortable[/U][/COLOR]. After All, It's ME that has to live with what would be left in my mind "IF" I caused in any way the loss of life or limb.

[U]Yrs. Ago [/U]~ Stores were open till 6p.m. Closed on Sunday and Holidays. Wifes-Moms were at home and there was only one car to a family. Mail was picked up and delivered Mon. throu Fri. I maybe missing a few things but the just is there.

[COLOR="Green"][U]There are many choices available and I'm quite comfortable [/U][U]with this choice I've made for You and Myself in the name of Law ~ Safety & Controlling Pain with Scripts and Driving.[/COLOR][/U]

Best and Warm Respects to you all. DRAIN BAMAGED

MMM ~ here's a thought How much $$$ will I save cutting out all the unnessaries...I know saving $400.00 a yr already on Auto Ins.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]





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