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I am sure everyone has this once in a while, and would appreciate a confirmation...


I use to hear classical music or a very complex musical composition, like classical orchestra that I hardly have an interest in ( nothing I have heard in real life) right when dozing off, yet still somewhat conscious since I was a young child and until my late 20's...

This has not happen for a few years, yet now, a few times a year or monthly, I will be dreaming and then all of a sudden I can hear, such as a cat meowing, someone calling out ( whistling or laughing) not related to the dream and would wake me up because its feels like its right by my ear very loud and clear alike when I would hear the complex music when I was young...


Usually I can hear things related to the dream so I am not concern or awake, and its not loud when its theme-related sounds, unlike these non-theme related, random sounds happening in while dreaming...


Its so loud that I woke up frightened, and it happened twice in one night the other day...

Is this consider to be some sort of sleep psychosis? I have no real-life psychosis or delusional symptoms so I find it very weird, yet sleep and dreams in itself is stranger then fiction! :)
Bethsheba,

Thanks again for hopping on this thread; its interesting because when I use to have this problem, I remember thinking if I had sleep apnea because I would be tired, dizzy and have a sense of emergency/anxiety when I would awake or whilst asleep...

I went to two studies; no sleep apnea, YET people noticed that I didnt look well at certain times of the day - I thought it was my blood pressure since it was always on the lower end then most people...

As you know I got the BP test and it was ok, yet its lower than average...

I realized that for many years my nose would be stuffy, and I could breathe at times yet thought everyone goes through it...


I got fed up and went to the ENT and got laser surgery for my nose... I slept better AND now come to think of it, all the noise/hallucinations sensitivity went away after I had this surgery...


Now that I feel dizzy and tired again, I used my nasal sprays yesterday and felt better this morning... I think its the nasal obstruction; i am thinking about getting surgery again before I faint!


I wonder if sleep doctors can miss this (nasal obstruction) yet not sleep apnea of the mouth??? Because how would the doctors know you cannot breathe through your nose if you are only breathing through your mouth at night???
[QUOTE=Nexis;3217116]...I went to two studies; no sleep apnea, YET people noticed that I didnt look well at certain times of the day - I thought it was my blood pressure since it was always on the lower end then most people...[/QUOTE]

FYI, some people have apnea that comes and goes and doesn't always show up on one or two studies.

[QUOTE] As you know I got the BP test and it was ok, yet its lower than average...[/QUOTE] Would this mean a reduced SaO2 level? If your blood pressure isn't high enough, I don't think enough oxygen would be getting to vital organs. If so, it might account for fatigue, dizziness, and perhaps change in sensitivity.

[QUOTE]I realized that for many years my nose would be stuffy, and I could breathe at times yet thought everyone goes through it...[/QUOTE] I know what you mean. I think I was always a mouth breather...didn't know you could or were supposed to breath through your mouth until I was in my late 30s/early 40s.

[QUOTE]I got fed up and went to the ENT and got laser surgery for my nose... I slept better AND now come to think of it, all the noise/hallucinations sensitivity went away after I had this surgery...[/QUOTE] Interesting!

[QUOTE]Now that I feel dizzy and tired again, I used my nasal sprays yesterday and felt better this morning... I think its the nasal obstruction; i am thinking about getting surgery again before I faint![/QUOTE] Do you have allergies? If so, would addressing those help?

[QUOTE]...I wonder if sleep doctors can miss this (nasal obstruction) yet not sleep apnea of the mouth??? Because how would the doctors know you cannot breathe through your nose if you are only breathing through your mouth at night???[/QUOTE]

I'm sure they can miss nasal obstruction...sleep medicine is a relatively new science so doctors (and lay people, psychologists for instance, if I understand it correctly) can be board certified in sleep medicine. For this reason our sleep specialists may have many different backgrounds... pulmonary, cardiology, neurology, ent, psychiatry... you get the idea.

I didn't have obvious ent issues with my apnea, my board certified sleep specialist was a pulmonary doctor and I was lucky, because my issues tend to be more asthma/allergy related. But if you're having obstruction issues, perhaps a sleep specialist who is an ent would be more helpful to you.

mgkbrook, hope I have her name right here, has a lot of personal and family experience with ent concerns so if you have questions regarding surgeries or other sleep related issues, she might be someone to touch base with on this board. I'm sure there are others, but I haven't been reading/posting here regularly.

Thanks for getting back to me. Isn't all this learning fun, ;) ?

Bethsheba
Bethsheba knows I bite if I see my name stuck here or there.. so this is my take on a few of your posts.

[I]I use to hear classical music or a very complex musical composition, like classical orchestra that I hardly have an interest in ( nothing I have heard in real life) right when dozing off, yet still somewhat conscious since I was a young child and until my late 20's...[/I]
[B]How long did you sleep a night as a child? Did you have difficulty sleeping going to sleep? Do you remember being a heavy dreamer? Ever sleep walk or talk?
[/B]
There have been studies done where children to adults were continual prodded awake during REM sleep stages and various other stages during sleep to determine the overall effect on the in individuals. These are sleep deprivation studies.. from these they have learned:
Visual and auditory experiences minds conjure primarily in REM. In patients that are awakened during REM there are reports of graphic dream interference (auditory and/or visual)... this awakening creates dream overlays that seem vivid because state of arousal at the time of waking. The intensity of the overlay and duration of the transition directly corresponded to the level of sleep deprivation. What you describe makes me think of premature wakening in the REM state.

REM is important and may be essential for brain restoration. Studies show humans spend more time in REM after learning difficult material and interfering with REM can disrupt memory for newly learned information. This is where the staying up all night before exam may alter memory theories come from. Do we need to dream? YES! What have sleep deprivation studies shown? Subjects awoke to prevent REM become anxious, testy, and have difficulty concentrating. Deprived of REM causes the patient to rebound when left alone to sleep this rebound involves double REM cycling. When you can not rebound.. but are continually prodded by something.. in my families case sleep apnea.. what happens? :) Depends more commonly you manifest physical symptoms and more dramatic hallucinations.. SLEEP TALKING and walking and Night Terrors are other symptoms that occur most often in the severely sleep deprived. Most of these events occur during delta sleep, these occurrences are more common in children, because children [boys have higher incidents than girls] require more REM than adults. Night terrors are different from nightmare and can not be recalled. What you do when you are sleep walking or talking you think of as a dream and may only recall some or none of.. my scariest sleep walking incident was when I went out of the house and ran in the horse pasture with the horses.. my parents caught me.. but I was a mess and scared. Sleep deprivation is very common and inadequate sleep is a national epidemic 1/3 to1/2 of us do not get the sleep we need. Some it is choice and lifestyle others a sleep disorder or medical problem. If you don't get enough sleep it makes it more difficult to pay attention, reaction time slows, productivity declines, and affect those in high risk. Complications can be from tired mom's driving their kids of the road, commuters in danger of getting pancaked by a tired semi, to the Three Mile Island nuclear accident.

We must take sleep seriously and you do.. the question is what is causing your issue?

[I]This has not happen for a few years, yet now, a few times a year or monthly, I will be dreaming and then all of a sudden I can hear, such as a cat meowing, someone calling out ( whistling or laughing) not related to the dream and would wake me up because its feels like its right by my ear very loud and clear alike when I would hear the complex music when I was young...I realized that for many years my nose would be stuffy, and I could breathe at times yet thought everyone goes through it...[/I]

So how is your sleep now.. how much you getting a night.. others around you? Do you have good sleep hygiene? Have you tried blocking out external noise interference with white noise? [Box fan to the jet engine air purifiers?]

[I]I got fed up and went to the ENT and got laser surgery for my nose... I slept better AND now come to think of it, all the noise/hallucinations sensitivity went away after I had this surgery...[/I]

This seems to lead me to believe that the disturbances to your quality of sleep may be related to your sinuses and allergies. Inability to breathe freely through the nose and transitions from intermitent nasal breathing to mouth breathing can cause interruptions in your sleep cycle with out a complete wakening.

[I]Now that I feel dizzy and tired again, I used my nasal sprays yesterday and felt better this morning... I think its the nasal obstruction; i am thinking about getting surgery again before I faint![/I]

Have you tried an anticholenergic spelling is off I am sure.. need to look mine up. Ponaris Nasal Oil? These may help you if you use them before bed.

[I]I wonder if sleep doctors can miss this (nasal obstruction) yet not sleep apnea of the mouth??? Because how would the doctors know you cannot breathe through your nose if you are only breathing through your mouth at night???[/I]

It is difficult to see into the sinus cavity with just a visual inspection.. the ENT's use special scops and CT scans and MRI's. If it is inflamed membranes the nasal sparay, and oil regime may be the trick otherwise you may have a pollump that needs removing and the like.. When was the last time you were evaluated by an ENT? It wouldn't hurt to go and see one about your congestion and sleep issues if you have covered the allergy route completely. Otherwise they will send you to an allergist.

I will throw out some more later.. but I have an appointment.

Sincerely,
MG
[QUOTE=SusanMiles;3219091]Hi Bethsheba,

Sorry my post wasn't very clear. It only happens a couple times a month and it is always right when I am falling asleep, which is so annoying. I'll just about be asleep amd KABOOM![/QUOTE]



SusanMiles,

This use to happen to me right when I was falling asleep, and now few times a year...

When I was younger especially in junior highschool (decades ago!), it would happen almost a few times a month..

Yet has MKbrooks pointed out, I think I was severely stressed from sleep depravation, and I would be very vivid dreamer to make up for all the lack of sleep the night before...

Also, there was a dream I was walking along the ocean, and all of a sudden, the military helicopters were coming after me. I tend to have conspiracy dreams so I thought oh well whilst dreaming.. I then awoke, and there were actual helicopters that were flying very low around the residential area...

So this could be also an indication that I am not in a deep seated sleep, since this happened quite often before I sought my surgery for my nose for obstruction...


Could you describe exactly what you experience? I am curious to know others similar experience...


Nexis





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