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[QUOTE=Fagatron]I keep trying to do this water, fruit, veggies, nuts/seeds diet and I can never make it more than three days before I wind up giving up and eating every piece of junk food in sight.[/QUOTE]

Are you surprised that you can't follow this diet? If I asked you to go run a marathon tomorrow, do you think you would be able to complete at least half of the distance let alone finishing it? I think not. Why? Well you haven't trained. Your body needs to train to get accustomed to exercising for such a long period of time, it needs to develop its efficiency and build your stamina.

The same can be applied to resolving acne. I can tell you right now that there is very VERY little chance anyone is able to switch from a standard western diet to the diet you mentioned (the anti-acne diet) without experience a certain 'body shock' and side-effects.

Acne cannot be 'fixed' over-night, without self-control and belief and a little common sense. I think the common sense factor is overlooked ALOT of the time amongst us acne sufferers.

For example, some people think drinking the entire Atlantic ocean worth of water will some how clean out their system and thus get rid of acne. Well it won't. You are doing more harm than good. You just need to be sensible and drink between 8-12 glasses of water (each glass about 3/4 the size of your standard coke can).

[QUOTE=Fagatron]The problem is, no matter how much nuts or vegatables I eat, it can never fill me up, never![/QUOTE]

Of course you won't be filled up. How can you expect your body to be full when it has been accustomed to such a high dosage of carbohydrates e.g. pasta, pizza, rice, bread and so on. Moreover, these foods are PURE carbohydrate unlike nuts/seeds or fruit which contain a good amount of carb but ALSO essential vitamins and minerals. From my experience, it has taken me just over 2 years to completely adapt a new anti-acne diet. This may vary amongst a variety of you depending on your current diet.

[QUOTE=Fagatron]I really want to try this diet very bad, but I honestly can't control myself. When I go into "eat everything mode" I honestly DON'T CARE.[/QUOTE]

I think you will find your answer why this is if you do a search regarding the chemical MSG or Monosodium Glutamate (occasionally food companies substitute this chemical with Hydrolyzed Vegetable Protein but it essentially has the same effect).

This chemical is added to food for the addictive effect it has on the body and recently come under immense fire as the main causal factor to obesity. This chemical is to food what nicotine is to cigarettes. Smokers who want to give up cannot do it in one day, it takes weeks/months/years to gradually ween off them.

If a food product is pre-made/pre-packaged and not natural then it is likely to contain MSG. This is why Fagatron, you can't eat just one cookie. It is not your fault, it is the chemicals the FORCE your body to eat more. The only way is to slowly reduce consumption of these products. At the same time, you should find natural alternative like eating pure natural organic honey instead of sweets/chocolate. If you need to eat pizza then instead of getting take-out, try making one yourself with all natural ingredients.

Eventually you will force yourself to believe that what you are eating is infact not 'real'. Notice how tomato sauce (like Ragu) bought from a supermarket TASTES better than one you make yourself? Do you ever ask why this is? Are they using a higher quality tomato than you are? No, of course not! That would cost too much to produce. It has nothing to do with the tomato type. It has to do with the type of chemicals they use which are created in huge chemical factories located around the New Jersey Turnpike.

In fact, this discovery is so absurb that these companies could make you think a jar of cow manure tastes and smells just like a jar of supermarket tomato sauce (moreover, incorporating MSG chemicals so that your body would long for more). Just read up on some journals documenting how McDonalds has to incorporate enough artificial flavoring in their burgers to hide the taste of the manure. At least McDonalds finally admitted to the E-Coli poisoning of thousands of children (as a result of infected manure from the cows being mixed with the beet processing).

I hope all that info doesn't overload your heads too much :)

Don't worry, it is difficult to get back your control of your body again but if you really really want to then you will be able to. Just look at the many people on this forum that have adopted a healthy, natural, high veg/fruit/nut diet.....Prometheus, MsMeaganMay, IndyGal, SweetJade, Convalascing, Sunfell and so on...good luck and remember don't give up! Your acne and health is more important than the profits to those stupid corporations...
Hey euro, the frustrating thing with my skin is that it varies so much as I have a combination of skin problems: I have mild-moderate acne, mild sebhorreic dermatitis, mild-moderate rosacea flushing, moderate urticaria (hives) and this is all in conjuction with moderate-occasionally severe IBS (irritable bowel syndrome) :(.

So sometimes it is hard to determine to what extent a blemish is acne-related or urticaria-related or dermatitis related etc. e.g. hives can pop up, turn into spots then disappear the next day without treatment but this is not acne.

When I wrote that post I was very down as my allergies and flushing had really worsened since starting the cleanses. My face was 'breaking-out' in hives with almost anything I was eating, I never had experienced such extremity before.

So I decided to further look into my diet and see if I should modify it further. Prometheus informed me that as I was heating my Olive Oil this could be causing me some irritation. I have to admit at the time, I could not believe that heating Olive Oil would be causing me any harm which is why I wrote posts questioning Prometheus about this. I was obviously wrong! Moreover, I have further reduced my meat protein intake and adopted a slightly more vegetarian approach. I haven't eaten red meat/chicken/turkey for around 3-4 weeks and eat raw/steamed fish 1-3 times a week. Since these changes I have noticed an great improvement in my skin so much so that I would say it is now about 90%-100% ACNE-free, my skin is also slowly becoming less prone to flushing and my allergic reactions are becoming infrequent. I do still have some dermatitis on the sides of my nose however.

I really did not want to over emphasise these vast improvements just yet, in case my skin was just going through a phase thus getting my hopes up which is why I wrote in the follow up to the above quoted post "Since then things have been a little different and hopefully they will stay that way in the weeks/years to come . We shall see."

The point is that there are two stages to achieving acne-free skin (I have already stated this in another post). The first stage is getting clear skin, the second stage is MAINTAINING this clarity. I am currently on the path towards the second stage which is why I said 'we shall see'.

Maintaining clarity is the hardest part because if you have a large number of skin disorders like me where any little variation from the 'anti-acne' diet (e.g. if you are on holiday, school trip, business trip etc. where you have to eat in restaurants), you have a high chance of re-triggering an eruption of skin problems.

[QUOTE=euro18]I guess everyone is different[/QUOTE]

Exactly, we all have our various tolerance levels. Since following a much more vegetarian diet and seeing such a jump in clarity of my skin obviously means that my body has a very low tolerance to animal protein especially red meat. This is only for me, maybe your body can tolerant more protein, I don't know.

[QUOTE=euro18]I am sticking with my own dietary changes for now as I think they are working, but I will have to give them more time.[/QUOTE]

Precisely, I have only been on this new vegetarian diet for around 3-4 weeks so I'm not going to suddenly ask for my 'Acne-free trophy award' immediately (lol), I want to see continuity, consistency and maintainence in my skin (AND SO DOES MY BODY). I need to give it at least one more month but so far I feel great, my skin feels great and I no longer have low energy levels. I just got frustrated because everyone else seemed to be doing so well and my skin didn't improve during the cleansing. As MsMeaganMay said on one of her posts, it may take me longer...she was right! My body has gone through so many changes over the past few months that it needs to get into a routine. But if your dietary changes are working for you now then what's the problem? Surely that's excellent news for you?

What I can tell you is that in all my time of trying to rid myself of acne (over 10 years), I have used (like everyone on this board) an insane amount of brands/lotions/creams/antibiotics/treatments. I have spent more than $5000, no...probably much more...it would be impossible to calculate and I'd rather not ;). Anyway, there is not ONE product I have tried that has made me say 'GREAT I AM GOING TO USE THIS ALL THE TIME, MY SKIN LOOKS GREAT'. There is not one product that I have been at least 85% happy with (and I doubt there are many of us on here that could say the same)

Nothing works..........apart from what I am doing now and my current diet. I have not seen such an improvement than with my current methods/approach. I am trying to stay level headed and keep my fingers crossed in the hope this is the right direction for me...you will have your answer in one month time :)

[QUOTE=euro18]I always assumed if you followed a diet such as promtheus' you would be clear , but for me it's too extreme[/QUOTE]

When I first read about Prometheus' anti-acne diet some time ago, I had the same attitude as you. I thought there is no way you can eliminate so many foods and follow a diet of just fruits, vegetables, nuts/seeds and minimal animal protein. It does sound extreme but only because SOCIETY tells you it is. Everywhere you go, everything you do, every information given to you by doctors/derms goes against Prometheus' theory.

One day, however, you will ask yourself 'but how do I define extreme'? Is it not extreme for me to eat products bought in supermarkets containing unknown chemicals? If I gave you a glass of water with 12 teaspoons of pure sugar and asked you to drink it, I can guarantee you wouldn't! BUT if I gave you a glass of coke-cola, I can guarantee you probably would. But why when both have identical contents? Well because society tells you it is good! So when society tells you that there is no link between diet and acne, you automatically conform meaning that if noone believes there is a link there will not be any evidence. Well thank God for these forums! Who likely to be more reliable: society which is dominated by money/profits/other interests or a community that wants to share FREE advice and pass on their experiences? (p.s. I'm using 'you' as in the general public)

Prometheus is not forcing people to diet or follow her recommended diet, all she is saying is if you follow this diet you will be acne free. It is a suggestion not a demand, so it is your choice to follow it. I chose to follow it because I wanted to prove to Prometheus that there was no link between diet and acne (which I originally thought). Look back at my really old posts, there were quite big arguments (one of which was deleted :yawn: ) on this topic because I refused to believe her. But 'refusing to believe' does not provide me with any concrete evidence to support my attitude which is why I decided to try her diet.....well let's just say Prometheus has probably saved me about another $5000 worth of medical/brand products LOL :D THANKS SO MUCH!!!

[QUOTE=euro18]Moreover, "Blank" has been following a sugar-free, dairy-free and gluten-free diet for six months and he is not clear![/QUOTE]

I don't know Blank's situation well enough to properly comment on why he has not experienced acne-free skin but if he is only following those 3 forms diets then I assume he is still consuming alot of carbohydrates or proteins or possibly high cholesterol fats? If he were to elaborate more on exactly what he is doing I will help him out and provide my opinion, would be glad to. :wave:
[QUOTE=Neca]

When I first read about Prometheus' anti-acne diet some time ago, I had the same attitude as you. I thought there is no way you can eliminate so many foods and follow a diet of just fruits, vegetables, nuts/seeds and minimal animal protein. It does sound extreme but only because SOCIETY tells you it is. Everywhere you go, everything you do, every information given to you by doctors/derms goes against Prometheus' theory.

One day, however, you will ask yourself 'but how do I define extreme'? Is it not extreme for me to eat products bought in supermarkets containing unknown chemicals? :[/QUOTE]

I know what you mean: it was difficult to banish my morning bowl of weetabix/branflakes when society told me it was good for me. It took me a while to realise they were just unnatural over-processed rubbish basically.

However, I still think promtheus' diet is too extreme (for me personally) to be SUSTAINABLE. I have no problem following it for say 1 month, but I would like to find an acne solution which I could use forever. The diet is not practical for me: it's made wrose by the fact that I am quite a thin guy and some of my friends joke that I am "anorexic." So, to live off nuts and veggies forever would be too much. I know promtheus says that if you eat enough of nuts etc you can still get the same amount of calories. But I can eat 3,000 calories a day and not put on weight - i dont want to do this by eating seeds etc!
However, today I have eaten some oats and mainly nuts, seeds , raisins and some cheese. So I am not too far off it . (still testing if cheese breaks me out, i dont think it does). I do believe in her diet, I just cannot reform to it 100%. I have cut out most processed foods, bread, pasta and cereals. These changes were difficult for me to implement and indeed hard to maintain, but I am stickign with it. I hope one day I know EXACTLY what I can and cannot eat. I would "love" to be say wheat-intolerant - so that I would know what I was allowed to eat - it would make life a lot simpler. Whereas now, I don't know if I could tolerate a SMALL AMOUNT of pasta or bread - I am too scared to try in case it makes things worse!

In short, I do believe in the diet theory and promtheus' diet. And whilst I have been trying to implement the latter's guidelines , I am not willing to follow it to the letter. However, as I said before, I have cut out a lot of foods, which seem to be working and those changes are enough for now.
ok regarding the Glycemic Index : You said it wasn't that great because

" the figures vary so much depending on which sources you read. The names on the index are pretty generic e.g "orange", "apple". There are so many varieties of oranges and apples, some are sweeter than the others, are grown in different climates and grown with different substances (natural/artificial)."

This is true to an extent. Some glycemic values tend to vary depending on what sources you read. However, I have found they are broadly the same. I.e. if a bowl of cornflakes is 85 on one chart, and 71 on another , OK these are different values, but whatever chart you use, it demonstrates that cornflakes should really be avoided.
REgarding different apples and levels of sweetness etc. Yes again this is true, but as promtheus has stated and I think you may have done too, your body is designed to handle natural carbs such as apples, so I wouldnt worry too much about that. You are not going to get an apple with a glycemic rating of 91 or anything. I bought a guide written basically by the "inventor" of the Glycemic index.

You also said

"Secondly, we are all different therefore one person have a broad range of tolerances regarding foods while another person can be greatly affected by specific foods. So a number on a chart can be meaningless in this case."

Again, this is true. But I think this is where my main point emerges: the glycemic index is merely a guide. You should not live your life by it. I think it's a very useful tool in leading a healthier life and indeed helping acne/diabetes/obesity/PCOS. Many people have cured these ailments by following the guidlines set out in the glycemic index. As I said in my earlier post I have eliminated all breads, pastas and cereals, which the glycemic index says have too high GI values to be eaten in large quantaties. Nuts and seeds etc they all have low GI index - so whatever the reasoning the glycemic index seems to be a good indicator in what is good or bad for you. (altho there are "unhealthy" items which have a low GI index)
I do agree that of course some people are going to be more sensitive than others. But this is the same as if you followed a wheat-free diet. Some people could tolerate a bit of wheat before breaking out, others could tolerate a lot.

You also stated

"Finally, there are so many other factors that can increase the chance of tipping your insulin spikes like stress, frequency of exercise, environment, drugs, smoking etc."

The author does acknowledge these factors. She recommends exercise and less stress.

In short, it's a guide, which I have found very useful. I think it's principal "message" is to reduce/ cut out refined grains. This is why I know of many people who felt so much better doing the atkins diet. Cos altho they might be eating a lot of meat etc they don't eat breads etc and this makes them feel good probably because they are not experiencing frequent surges in their blood-glucose levels.





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