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I have no idea whether this is true or not...

BUT, think about this...

Telling people that changing a diet will alleviate the symptoms of acne is just about as bad as telling an overweight person that changing their diet will make them skinny. No matter how much this overwight person wants to be skinny, it's still TOO FREAKIN HARD.

I'm sure there comes a point in everyone's life when they decide that they really want to change their body, and they have great results by their dedication. And then how many people gain that weight back and then some? Diet is something that people struggle with their entire lives. Look at Oprah... the most successful and wealthy woman in the world, and the biggest challenge in her life is keeping the weight off. She admits, she just can't lay off the sweets, carbs, and fried foods. (and, by the way, her skin looks like crap)

I really get annoyed when people talk about changing a diet like it's as easy as changing a brand of shampoo. For the majority of the western world, it's just not an option. 90% of us are incapable, INCAPABLE of maintaining a proper diet. It may sound mean, but it's the truth. I think this has a lot to do with mental health in our society, but that's just my opinion.

I'm someone that cured my acne with prescriptions, and I'm not ashamed to say that I could never alter my diet in the ways that some of you suggested. No matter how much I hated my acne. I think that the majority of people who try to change diets will not be successful, and will end up even more depressed when they realize this.

......No matter what you do to treat your [B]chronic[/B] health problems (acne is one), you will probably always have to continue with that form of treatment if you wish to control or prevent it. The difference is for those with severe acne, topicals control (beats it back) and oral treatments prevent (stops from occuring). So I firmly believe that if you want the best treatments, you should take [I]something[/I] from your environment, and fight it from the inside =)

Has anyone ever noticed that with every medical treatment protocol, it always mentions eating a good balanced diet and reducing your sugar and fat intake??? That unfortunately is more than a mere suggestion. I've come across enough people with various health problems, but what sticks out the most is that those that truly work on improving their diets, rely on LESS or NO Medication/Supplements. While there's dozens of people I can name off, I myself am proof, Vortex is proof and Prometheus is proof that if you follow a hormonally & nutritionally balanced diet 100%, you'll need No medications or supplements what so ever!

I've played this game for over decade (16 years) and I know how a good amount of works now. I thought Birth Control would be the answer and it did reduce my Free Testosterone levels by 50% (thanks to it boosting SHBG levels), but my acne only decreased by 50%. I thought [U]adding[/U] Spironolactone to the mix would solve everything (blocks 30% of androgens) and reduced my hirsutism and my acne only another 30%. Of course, I was only 80% clear during the Summer...otherwise, I went back to being 60% clear during the Fall/Winter months because that's when our bodies naturally produce even MORE testostrone!

So 3 years later, I find out that this all due to being either Insulin Resistant or PCOS, they use the same drugs above as well as using Insulin Balancing Drugs (for Diabeties type II). I thought well hey, I'm already underwieght, why should I Low Carb, if I don't need to loose weight (over 2 years ago)???? LOL, I am beyond thankful that I ran into these boards, for I would still have that mentality and I wouldn't be where I am today now.

Well to answer my own question, you Low Carb, or rather reduce ore eliminate the consumption of foods that are REALLY good at producing Fats and Hormones, because....Duh, they produce they produce Hormones!

-Carbohydrates = Sugar = Fat ='s beautiful story, thats how it supposed to work.

-[B]BAD[/B] Carbohydrates = MORE Sugar = MORE Fat = Insulin Mimicking Hormones = IGF-1 Mimicking Chemicals = a Reduction in vital Hormones (IGFBP-3, IGFBP-2, SHBG) = a Reduction in Nutrient Metabolism (phytic acid, uric acid, oaxlic acid - anti-nutrients) = an Increase in unfavorable Hormones (Insulin, IGF-1, Androgens, DHT Enzymes, DHT) = an Increase in an unfavorable amount of Health Disorders.

That doesn't even include Dairy (a carb & a protein), certain types of Protein, and Bad Oils, but they generally do what Bad Carbohydrates do. So, I guess the POINT, since that's what we seem to be doing here, is that we eat:

A) Too Many of these Bad Carbohydrates, etc


B) We have No business eating these particular foods at all

I personally only care about what these particular foods do to us internally. I can tell you that the reason Diet worked so well for me and many others, was because we REDUCED our OVERALL [B]Production [/B] of these Hormones. Whereas, before my Diet was [U]antagonistic[/U] to the prescriptions that I was taking. Sure BC helped bind some Testosterone, and Spironolactone Helped BLOCK some androgens effects, and Avandia helped reduce some of my Insulin Resistance, but because [B]I was STILL eating (plenty of) the foods that were creating the Imbalance, they were NEVER effective enough! [/B]

I would have had to take more medication or higher doses to make them work and I was already pretty high. In fact my doctor wanted to increase my Avandia and we were looking to see if I had other hormonal problems (more medications). So I was at the point of potentially taking 30 pills a day (supplements and meds) and using several skin care products in hopes that would fix everything, but [I]I[/I] decided that changing my diet would be easier. Over the years, since I was 12, I had changed my diet 3x before and had failed, but I [U]never [/U] thought it was impossible. 18 months ago, I wasn't desperate, but FINALLY knowledgable and realized if this worked, I could not only save money, but regain some freedom I had lost. It took me months before it finally sunk in that my diet was working. I could see it, my menstrual cramps were gone, but because I had also increased my dose of Avandia (4mg), I didn't know what to give credit too. I was afraid to go off of Avandia, because I was in the middle of my breakout period (winter). Yet, for another reason I did.... and nothing bad happened =)

Oh, and another good example is taking Cholestorol Lowering Drugs. They tell you that you have to watch your diet, even though you are taking a drug that is supposed to do all the work. Usually a [U]Single[/U] Drug, can't do all the work and it probably wouldn't be neccessary if the person would watch what they ate. Yet, if the person improves his diet, his cholesterol improves. If the person completely altered his diet, not only would his cholestorol improve, but the medication no longer serves any purpose and thus is no longer needed. =)

Now I ask, why take medication to block the effects of something, when you can naturally reduce the amount you produce, by altering your diet? I can't guarantee that you can always reduce your sensitivity (to any amount), but I know you can reduce these hormones.

So, I blame the government, the Food Industry, and our Ancestors for the way we think about food today. Yet, once you become educated, the blame falls upon you. There is no guilt or stress, if you do all that you can, at that time, to improve your dietary circumstances. The more of us that FIGHT by boycotting these fast food places, etc because they offer [U]nothing[/U] that we can eat, or DEMAND that they change things, by eating their healthier options, or asking for foods to be prepared a certain way, then one day it won't be "Impossible" to do the right things. For, the Right thing will be all around us...and we'll have no choice ;-)

Anyway, sorry for this being so long (as usual), but I've been through a myriad of treatments, internal and external, and am open-minded enough to say that there IS more than one way to treat acne, etc. Yet, I also know that for a good percentage of us, if we had done the RIGHT things to begin with, we wouldn't need those other treatments. We wouldnt have the problems in the first place...

You made a comment that I was not willing to make myself, though I am thankful that you did make it. I [i]enjoy[/i] eating the way I do. In fact, my enjoyment of food has skyrocketed since adopting this new way of eating. We are not tormenting ourselves or denying ourselves. I have been introduced to so many different foods and styles of eating and different tastes and culture. It is wonderful! I [i]love[/i] eating vegetables. I love fruit as well. What I have noticed is that you crave what you eat. Since eating more vegetables I crave and enjoy their taste and how they feel in my stomach, and throughout my body. The thing is, no matter what, I eat what I want to, when I want to, how I want to, and I can guarantee that if I wanted to eat that bag of chips, I would be eating it. You made an excellent point that if a person doesn't want to be dieting, or doesn't want to change the way they eat, and feels as if they are denying themselves, or are suffering in distress over food, then they should absolutely not do it. People can "deny themselves" anything they want and achieve results, but in order to make any long term change it requires also a change of desires and will, otherwise it is a road to disaster. It is really a misconception that people who eat "healthy" are living in denial. I think it is important that others realize that we are average people doing average things and that it is not about being easy or difficult for people. It is about technique. So perhaps we can share techniques that have helped us make changes. I used fasting and God. Without God I don't think I could have broken my food addictions. Fasting helped me garner an appreciation for the taste of real food, over the extreme tastes of artificial chemicals and sugar.

There is also nothing like having a brand new interest to read about and get involved in. With nutrition there is always something brand new everyday to learn and theorize about. This new interest of mine is most certainly a blessing. I enjoy meeting people with similar passions that I can identify with and I now belong to a group of CR and life extension practitioners, which lends my life a certain comradery. It has all the making of a fulfilled life. Without acne, who knows where my life would have led, but it probably wouldn't have led where I am here. I am grateful.
[QUOTE=prometheus]I've balanced my hormones[/QUOTE]

Why did you balance your hormones? I thought you said acne was 100% caused by diet?

[QUOTE=prometheus]If I don't have a leaky gut, I will not develop food


There is no way for you to control this so you cannot guarantee you will never have an

allergy therefore I would not tempt fate.

[QUOTE=prometheus]The terrain of your body is far more important than the immune system


This is NOT true, they are equally important and neither one can survive without the


[QUOTE=prometheus]On the increasing incidence of asthma and allergies, you may want to

consider air pollution, as research after research has attributed the increase to ozone

and airborne components of diesel engine exhaust.[/QUOTE]

This again is NOT true. If you speak to any allergy specialist they will tell you that

our obssession with personal cleanliness is the PROBABLE causing factor. This does not

imply that air polluction has no effect on allergies, they probably do but they don't

cause FOOD ALLERGIES which is what we are talking about. Anyway if you examine journals

regarding the ozone layer they all declare that the 'hole' in the ozone layer has

diminished significantly as a result of a massive reduction in the use of pollutants by


[QUOTE=prometheus]If you are concerned about air pollution there is the respro gold

techno mask. It has helped people with asthma and allergy relief.[/QUOTE]

Well this would only be useful if I was allergic to air pollution. My point is: now

more and more people are suffering from food allergies and the cause of this is because

we are becoming too clean. Obviously food allergies are not a result of air pollution.

I'm not sure why you keep referring to air pollution ???

[QUOTE=prometheus]For natural indoor air pollution, nutrition, and allergy control: get

rid of your rugs, Replace mattresses with organic mattresses. Invest in plants like

pothos, english ivy, peace lily, and spider plants. Choose old clothing over new

clothing. Choose natural cleaning agents over chemical ones. Lastly, invest in an air


[QUOTE=SweetJade1]You bring up some good points, but you must realize that we don't

live in THAT sterile of a society.[/QUOTE]

LOL! Sweetjade look at Prometheus post! She has just confirmed to me how CLEAN the

average person can be and it is mad! ORGANIC MATTRESSES, SPIDER PLANTS, AIR FILTERS?!?!

Yes this may work if you lock yourself up inside your house and never leave it. But

when you go outside you will chock! No wonder Prometheus uses a face mask.

Prometheus what will happen when your body isn't accustomed to acid rain? You will have

to go outside in a plastic blow up bubble.

[QUOTE=SweetJade1]The thing is though, no matter what you do, ONCE you've been exposed,

your body already KNOWS it's attacker and will attack it whether it sees it 5 days or

50 years later down the road. The body remembers, so just because you've stopped eating

something, doesn't mean that it won't respond aggressively again once it sees


I agree with this, of course it is true, but you haven't taken into account mutations

and mutating bacteria. Just because your body has been exposed to say bacteria "X"

once, doesn't mean it will be able to fight off the same type of bacteria but different

strain 50 years down the line. If you don't UPDATE your immune system then your body

will definitely not have a wide database in its memory. You will only be immune to

strains that you have been exposed to at THAT point in time and not the current time.

So I disagree with all these cleansing, parasite kills etc. because it flushes

EVERYTHING out of you and resets your system to purity. As a result of adopting this

"perfect diet" you will avoid many types of food hence 5-10 years down the line you

suddenly experience the food resulting in a likely allergy.

[QUOTE=SweetJade1]Once exposed, our bodies remember. Continued exposure helps our

bodies learn & remember to fight other attackers, but that doesn't mean we should just

go out and jump in the Hot Zone.[/QUOTE]

Well eating acne-prone food once every two weeks won't hurt at all. It will help your

immune system develop and maintain a strong barrier. Simply neglecting this fact is

dangerous for your immune system in the future.

[QUOTE=SweetJade1]That brings up the subject of allergies. Some say that you can train

your body to accept allergens, but I don't know much about that.[/QUOTE]

The success rate with this is extremely slim and very few people actually succeed.

Furthermore, it takes a very long time.

[QUOTE=SweetJade1]I personally think that all of my allergies have just transformed

over the years. Ear Infections, Allergy to Burmuda Grass (distant relative of Wheat

grass), Asthma, Acne, Sinus Headaches, and more Acne (hormonal balance,etc). I think

everything just turned into acne, LOL. Also, I know that you can work with your body to

accept certain foods you are intolerant to, but it may not work with all foods.[/QUOTE]

So you do have allergies aswell then? Have they become progressively worse since you

have become older and 'minimised' your diet?

[QUOTE=SweetJade1]Allergies and Asthma have both been linked to eating specific


...most notably ones that isolate your intake to 'certain' foods only.

[QUOTE=SweetJade1]I recently heard that women that take antibiotics have an increased

chance of breast cancer (here that acne sufferers). Now, they don't know if its because

of the Antibiotic itself or because it made their bodies too sterile. Of course, I bet

being too sterile, not only will cause bad Bacteria and yeast to proliferate, but it

most definately will alter your pH & Hormonal balance, as well as weaken your immune


You got it in one! Taking antibiotics DEFINITELY weakens your immune system. This issue

is a big debate amongst allergists and dermatologists. The allergists believe that

antibiotics suppress the immune system increasing the likelihood of developing many

allergies while the dermatologists rubbish the claim. Of course the derms don't want to

believe it because they make so much money from the antibiotics! Well I for one

experienced this problem. I had very mild urticaria when I was young and would maybe

have one skin reaction every 3 months. Now after 8 various courses of antibiotics I am

allergic to many foods. I think, also, that me restricting my diet to a non-acne prone

one has only worsened the problem.

This is why I ALWAYS dissuade people from using antibiotics on this board unless it is

absolutely necessary.

[QUOTE=MsMeaganMay]By the way, my asthma and allergies both have disappeared since adopting a better diet.[/QUOTE]

Well you can never be 100% sure why your allergies have disappeared but yes you may have stopped eating a particular food which you could have been allergic too.
LOL, Thanks Neca, cuz that was kinda tough to read ;-)

Anyway, in response to what you said to me, Prometheus is not the average person (much stronger) and I'm sure she's proud of that ;-)

Now, of course the only way your body can update to mutating bacteria is to get exposed which happens [U]naturally[/U]. This happens whether you do it intentionally or not. I for one do not take any sort of Flu or Cold shots, don't believe in it and I haven't had any problems. I don't wash my clothes in hot water and only use bleach on my whites. Yet, I've been coughed and sneezed on and I've been around everyone else that has gotten the shot, so I've been exposed.

Actually I don't have any allergies and I tested Negative to Celiacs Disease. Those were all things I was experiencing as a young child and teen. LOL, thats why I said all of that probably just turned into acne. Asthma hasn't bothered me in 6 years (there was a year that it bothered everyone in town) and prior to that 4 years. Sinus Headaches haven't had those since I was 13. The only thing I have now are hormonal imbalances (16 years), but my diet has taken care of the majority of this.

Since changing my diet, no, none of the above has reoccured. In fact, I hardly get headaches now and was able to pinpoint MSG to giving me really bad headaches. I was also able to pinpoint taking certain foods to getting specific types acne. Eliminating [B]Gluten[/B], Sugar & Diary (as much as possible) guarentees a pain free menstrual cycle. So there were many benefits to changing my diet and there's still plenty to eat. =)

I think I understand what you saying though. You feel that because you eliminated certain foods, that now you are allergic to NEW foods, right? Well from what I've heard others with Food Sensitivities say, you can't eat the same food daily, you must rotate otherwise you could develop an intolerance to that specific food. However, I bet that the foods that you are now allergic to, and that others are intolerant or allergic to, are still the [B]TOP ALLERGENS[/B] in our country. So instead of thinking about it in that form of light, why not think about it as your body telling you that you have no business eating these foods, period.

Yet, another way to look at is that once you eliminate a food, YES, you have now opened the door to [B]allow your body to TELL you what else is AGGREVATING it.[/B] Before you were constantly eating these foods and you were overloading your body's receptors to the point that it [B]reduced [/B] sensitivity to that particular food. Yes, you were still reacting physically, but overtime not as strongly or as strongly as you [U]should[/U] have been. So once you STOP eating a certain food, you've just given your body the ability to heal and normalize it's sensitivity. So if you ever happen to eat a troublesome food (or enough of it), then it will react again only.....possibly worse (depending on amount or sensitivity).

So the food game is definately about listening to your body, and if that's too hard, then people are welcome to use a Journal or take Food & Chemical Intolerance tests. I believe the results are lists of foods broken into 3 groups and one group is Safe, the other is off limits, and the other group is the one that they are mildly sensitive to(?). I believe that group is that one that they try to work with the person over time so that they can include more of those foods in their diet as well. I remember reading one womans results from LEAP and it was very similar to the foods that we are avoiding. In fact it had the bad preservatives, MSG, colorings and eliminated Evil Lectins (ALL Grains, Nightshades, Peanuts, Cashews, Legumes) among other things.

Then again, to make it easier, most of what we avoid, seems to fall in the Top Allergen List also. These foods seem to be problematic, not just because they are allergenic, but also because of their other proteins and chemicals. They contain IGF-1 mimickers, and Insulin Mimickers, plus induce inflammation, harder to digest, reduce nutrient uptake, etc. So why not eliminate the BADDEST of the bad guys? ;-) There's still [B]plenty[/B] of other alternatives, so why not enjoy them?

Anyway, how are things now for you? Your skin, your allergies?

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