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[QUOTE=MsMeaganMay]Most of mine were minor...just things like keratosis pilaris (bumps on arms), slight dandruff, slow healing time of scars/open cuts etc., red itchy eyes, slight stomach problems, facial skin problems, circles under my eyes [/QUOTE]

MsMeagan, you listed your health problems in your last post; how many can you now say have been resolved through this process of correct diet and cleansing and how many are still present? This would be very interesting to know because I too have similar ones to yours so knowing the effectiveness of all the cleansing would be great. I think you make a real good point when you suggest listing all our health problems then seeing if we can find any connections regarding deficiencies etc.

The body is extremely intelligent and automatically produces warning signs that tell us there is something wrong that needs dealing with. You use the example of nails being indicators to certian nutritional deficincies. This is so very true, I had dark vertical lines about 2mm wide on quite a few of my nails for some time. I looked on the net to find out what this meant and found out that I had a Zinc deficiency. So I reviewed all the foods that were high in Zinc and whadyaknow...I hardly hardly ate any of them. So now when I go shopping I make sure to get loads of mushrooms, asparagus, pumpkin seeds (which are great for Paragone...even though you don't like them too much :p), FRESH parsley and green peas!

Nails are in fact amazing, lol. They also tells us whether we have Calcium deficiencies by producing those white dots things. I also remember one time, I banged my thumbnail real hard on something by accident and the nail cracked a little becoming really rough. I thought, well it's only a nail, it should heal itself in no time. HA! It was like that for over a year until I started taking Flaxseed oil. Suddenly, within the space of a few weeks, my nail began to grow back to it's full strength! Ever since, my healing of cuts/wounds etc. have really improved.

Now, if only people would treat acne on skin the same way that they treat those white spots on nails, plaque on teeth, body odour on skin etc. more people would experience better results. When you get B.O., do you just go to the nearest pharmacy to buy some antipersperant and cover yourself with the entire can? Disguise your smell with perfume? No, of course that isn't the right approach, you should shower! So why do we react to acne in a different way? It is obviously suggesting that the body is imbalanced somewhere.

[QUOTE=MsMeaganMay]BTW Neca...If you ever open an Organic Kmart...I'll be your first customer :D . The health food store by me is pretty nice...but it doesnt meet ALL of my needs (I have lots of needs :D lol).[/QUOTE]

Woohooo, thanks for the support I'll let you know when we open :D. MsMeaganMay, I could't stop cracking up when you said 'but it doesn't meet ALL my needs...I have lots of needs'. That was hilarious! But I agree, whenever I go shopping don't you find that whatever you buy there is always something wrong say with the ingredients, poor labelling or price etc. Plus I always find that I have to visit about 1000 different stores just to get all my items. There isn't one store where I can get all my stuff which is so frustrating and the fact that I don't drive is a real pain in the a$$. That's why I think the net is so useful. As you say, it is cheaper and you can buy everything while sitting comfortably in one place (lazy lazy, yes!). You know I was thinking more about this 'Organic Kmart' idea and asked myself: what was one of the biggest drawbacks to buying goods from highstreet supermarkets? Well, IMO it's probably because you don't know where the goods come from and how they are made. Sooo wouldn't it be great if you could have a supermarket right next to a farm where you let all the customers see how the food is grown and how organic it actually is? You could also have a instore deli that makes everything entirely infront of you. Say if you wanted Humous then someone could get the tahini, chick peas, lemon juice and garlic and mix it all together right in front of you. As virtually everything is produced on site, you would have virtually no transport costs and the foods would be much much cheaper as you wouldn't use all those terrible chemicals, pesticides etc. Also, it would be great to have almost all the goods sold with as limited amount of packaging as possible. Don't you find that so many goods you buy always seem to come overpackaged when a simple sack would do. Hmm this is getting more interesting the more I think about it...or should I say, the more I DREAM about it (lol).

[QUOTE=MsMeaganMay]I use Jason's Super-C Cleanser (they are a natural/organic company). I've used it for awhile...so I don't think it ever had any big impact on changing my skin...although it did reduce the redness caused by harsh acne scrubs and soaps.[/QUOTE]

Excellent, I will have a look at this brand as I am finding it really hard to get an all natural cleanser. Almost all the cleanser/soaps contain sooo many ridiculous chemicals. I think I will have to check out what's available online. What's the ingredients in the cleanser and does it foam up because I read somewhere that anything that foams up is an 'artificial product' made using special chemicals. Apparently 'safe' shampoos shouldn't foam?!

Well now onto the good news, my forehead is clear, my left cheek is clear, my chin is clear..the only parts that aren't are my nose and my right cheak. But these parts don't have whiteheads/blackheads, they just look bad due to those annoying flat red marks and a bit of sun discolouration. But at this point in time I really don't care, it is a great improvement compared to a few weeks back or a few months back or even a few years back (lol). My skin hasn't appeared this good for some time. This is definitely confidence boosting. Now I'm not sure exactly the cause but it is probably multifactorial. I think the cleansing is definitely sorting out my insides, I have still been doing the clay face mask but only a few times a week and am following my normal morning/evening regime (cetaphil, maybe a bit of exfoliation and then a bit of Neutrogena glycolic acid to clean out my sun discolouration). We will see how long this good state lasts though. I have yet to start ParaGONE but definitely will within the next few days when I get the chance to load up on fruits/vegs/nuts&seeds.

[QUOTE=MsMeaganMay]I also didn't bring the bowel cleansing supplies because I wasnt sure whether I would have time to prepare everything. What shocked me though was what I "got rid" of this weekend ...it was unlike anything I've ever seen in my entire life. It wasn't MP...and I honestly have no idea what it was, I suppose I'll just have to go searching and look it up.[/QUOTE]

LOL! MsMeagan what does MP stand for if I may ask, I think I can imagine what your getting at though. If it's not anything like you've ever seen in your entire life then I suggest you report it as an U.F.O., that stands for Unidentified Floating Object haha!!! Stop looking down please, I so don't wanna do ParaGONE now. But when I do do it there is no chance in hell I'm going to look down. I just gonna 'give and go' if you see what I mean. Why was it so shocking though, please don't tell me it was wormy-looking or anything like that because....well I will be lost for words. I also didn't take my supplies last weekend when I had to travel out of town aswell but it was the first time when I saw the real results of P&B shake cleansing. This is very strange, maybe when you give your body a rest it just chucks everything out all at once?

[QUOTE=indy_gal]It suprised me how eating the way I used to would affect me after being on a clean diet for 2 weeks. I got headaches, stomache aches, felt hungry all the time, etc... (And I have new breakouts starting).[/QUOTE]

Remember Indy_gal, that these cleanses are totally washing out your entire system of both GOOD and BAD bacteria. It is totally cleaning you out so anything you put back in should be as pure as possible for the time being. Your body really won't be able to cope with that junk food stuff straight after cleansing. It WILL definitely make you feel really ill. I was 'forced' (lol) to drink some wine last weekend and I could tell my body didn't like it. It just didn't digest easily. I think you definitely chose right not to start ParaGONE immediately after having a weekend on junk food. As MsMeagan says, do the shakes for a few days to get your body back to 'normal' then you should be good to go. I hate junk food so much, I wish it was never invented. Why does it have to be so easily available and so addictive grrr. You know something ironic: the reason why junk food and processed food was invented was to feed the troops in the American military during the Second World War. Now you would think the troops would need as nutritional a diet as possible with all that physical activity but no they are fed junk. From the government's point of view, the reason why they did it was because they knew the majority of them were destined to die regardless of what diet they consumed hence they thought why should they waste money supplying 'real food'....awful, depressing and corrupt don't ya think :(
[QUOTE=MsMeaganMay]I was just wondering about some things beyond diet. You say that you tend to have alot of oil production on your face....do you use fabric softener or dryer sheets? These cause alot of people to break out because they generally leave a layer of oil on peoples faces/bodies (most people also tend to use these softeners/sheets on their laundry loads of towels[/QUOTE]

Yeh, I was kinda hoping that with my improved diet, my oil production would decrease but it hasn't unfortunately. I do use fabric softener to wash my duvet covers and pillow cases, however I sleep on my back so my face hardly ever touches them. I just realised that I also stupidly use fabric softener when I was my bathroom towels which definitely can't be too good for drying my face after I have washed it. See the problem is what else can you use when you put your clothes, towels, covers etc. in the washing machine. All fabric softeners and washing powder are full of chemicals and I have yet to find a real alternative. But I think I will have to definitely start hand washing my towels. That will be a good start.

The thing is that it has been a long time since my nose has been clear of spots, it seems to almost always have blemishes, whiteheads or blackheads which is so frustrating. It is always very oily, my pores are quite large in this area and the flaps of the nose are very red. I just wish I could get rid of all this. A couple of derms told me this was sebhorreic dermatitis but I have used several treatments in the past and none have worked. I swear my body is trying to tell me something with regards to this. Hopefully the cleanses will resolve this matter. I'm not sure if this can be related to my occasional facial flushes though. If I get nervous, stressed out or do some physical activity I will have a rush of blotchiness to my face and it can last up to 30secs-60secs. You know when you try and drink say a glass of water really quickly and all in one and after you have drunk it you will this light head rush well I can even get the flushes then. It's so random, annoying and embarassing. I experienced this for the past three years now and it has got worst. I swear there is something wrong going on somewhere inside of me because this so shouldn't happen. It must be hormonal, I dunno? I even got my thryoid checked a few months back and all my results were perfect. I think the only way I can address this problem is probably homoepathy. Can any relate/experienced this?

Phew, am glad you guys are also experienced this increase in energy and am not the only one, lol. MsMeaganMay you seemed super-revitalised so I would agree that it's probably a good idea to stay off the honey as that would give you even MORE energy, lol :bouncing: ! You have really convinced me on this almond butter issue. I am obssessed/addicted to raw almonds and won't even tell you how many I can eat in one day. That's great you can eat an entire jar in one day and still have room for more food, I am definitely gonna get some on my next shopping trip. But what I don't get is why is it so expensive? What's involved in the process of making almond butter that requires such a high price and surely we can make it ourselves..just need a good blender or am I wrong?

[QUOTE=MsMeaganMay]they asked the general questions, one being how many bowel movements do I have each day. I said everyday, atleast 2-3. The doctor looked at me like I was crazy! Her exact words were "That is not good. If your having that many bowel movements a day, than too much is going out of you! Nobody should be eliminating that much." If that's the advice a doctor gives..well then give me a white coat and a thermometer and call me Doc, because I know that I can do much more good for her patients than she can![/QUOTE]

LOL! now that is hilarious! I swear doctors have totally lost it, they rely to much on material that has been force fed to them during their graduate years. It is a common fact that frequent bowel movements ARE good for the body and NECESSARY for it to function at an optimum level. What did you say to her in reply, I hope you showed her who was boss :)

MsMeagan when you recounted your story about the nurses complimenting you on your skin that really did bring a big smile to my face. To hear those words again but have been real great and encouraging. And you couldn't have summarised it better when you said 'it's what goes inside of me..not on me'! That is so true!

I love my salads and almost all the ingredients you listed in your post I use. The key to the perfect salad is the dressing and how much you use. The best dressings are lemon juice, garlic, olive oil, red onions and parsley all mixed together. I've never tried adding a juiced orange though but it does sound original lol. The veggie soup sounds great and will have to try it out one time. What's Butternut squash, I've never heard of it?

Ryan Phillippe, you've got the right approach with regards to cleansing/dieting. Basically, it's generally thought that cleansing of any form is not recommended to those under 17 years old. Your growing and your body is developing so putting it under a reasonably restricted diet and cleansing could damage it especially if your organs/hormones have not fully established themselves. Moreover, your immune system functioning at it's optimum level is key when you are young and growing.

So I would say for the time being give the cleansing a miss but as everyone has suggested, try to eat as healthy as possible. This means simply eating more fruit and veg, less fast food, more organic food. Do as much exercise as possible and try and sleep at consistent times...definitely don't follow our insomniac times :D If you needs any tips on suggestions etc. about how to resolve any skin problems then just post your questions...

Indy, you say you experienced a break-out today and a small headache? Has the headache passed since then? And how serious do you think the break out is? Only one large spot or several? Are you only doing 1 P&B shake a day, maybe you should up to 2-3 to get the toxins out quicker? I've been normal since starting, no real breakouts to note.

MsMeagan, after these cleanses I think I am definitely gonna cleanse my liver. I noticed in the ParaGONE box there is a leaflet with all the cleanses that the company makes. It says they have a liver cleanse so I may have a look into that because the olive oil/grapefruit version seems too heavy. I mean drinking that much Olive Oil in one go is a bit much for me. Plus I love Olive Oil and would probably be put off it if I drank it down in large amounts. If the sea veggies are adequate heavy metal cleansers then that is great, I'm gonna have to definitely purchase an entire ocean of these :)
[QUOTE=prometheus]Neca, it certainly concerns you..the whole topic, in fact, does.[/QUOTE]

Definitely! I have cooked/eaten foods cooked with cold pressed Extra Virgin Olive Oil for virtually all my life, this is why it interests me so much. I would love to know the actual theory behind how cooked Olive Oil can cause acne. Maybe this is one of the reasons why my skin has hardly ever improved? But I, like Indy, was influenced so much by its high use/reputation in the Mediterranean and by many friends' families from that region. That's why it makes me curious to think Olive Oil could be so damaging. The incidence of acne in that region is quite low but I guess it could be attributed to the climate.

Can I just ask is this just theory or has it actually been proved? I will try not cooking with any Olive Oil from now on and see if it makes any difference however when I do cook with Olive Oil it is such a small amount.

Indy yeh I would go with Coconut oil if you want to cook fish on the stove but try steaming it instead...it's much healthier and you don't need to use any oils. Just wrap it up with some garlic if you want in some tin foil leaving a little opening at the top then place it in a metal tray with a small amount of water.

[QUOTE=prometheus]It is good to mix sardines with garlic and (your own) olive oil.[/QUOTE]

I mix raw really thin sliced garlic with so many of my foods..salads, fish, vegetables and actually adds to the taste. Raw garlic has got so many health properties especially when sliced activating the enzyme to convert the chemical alliin into allicin so you can get all the antioxidant properties :)

Also guys what is special about Korean food (I assume you are talking about South Korean food)? Their speciality is eating dog :(
Hey guys, it's great to hear from you again :) It makes me glad to read that you are both still experiencing further improvements in your skin, congratulations!

[QUOTE=euro18]I used to eat dairy products, bread, pasta, rice, pre-packaged meals, cereals, - all that is GONE.[/QUOTE]

Nice one Euro that's cool to see the low glycemic approach is working! It seems you have already made alot of important sacrifices and I am sure your skin will reward you. When both your family and friends start complementing you it sure does boost your confidence and determination to maintain your current regime and effort. I'm sure you will be able to entirely give up processed foods and the oats even though they probably aren't doing too much harm if your tolerance levels have risen.

For me, I found it difficult to follow a really healthy diet initially but now I have read so much about the importance of diet that I would not give it up even if I became 100% acne-free. Selecting/Eating foods for their health benefits should come slightly above eating foods for just their taste. And I do think it is true that you can train your taste buds to like foods that you never used to really appreciate. E.g. As a teenager, I never could eat raw garlic, grapefruits, mushrooms or avocados but now I can't live without them.

[QUOTE=indy_gal]That was nice to find out, that my tolerance is somewhat better.[/QUOTE]

Indy I am really happy that you have also built up your tolerance levels, something that I am finding quite hard to do but maybe it's because of my food allergies. That's a good point about the endocrinologist, I am thinking about it as I am sure any results will produce some revealing things.

[QUOTE=indy_gal]I am staying paleolithic for the most part because I like eating this way, but, with the occassional indulgence of an icecream or some cheesecake.[/QUOTE]

Lol, you never could resist the temptation for an occassional 'treat' during the cleanses ;) Nothing wrong with that especially if you have decided that you are going to continue with the Paleolithic approach. I agree, I will continue to follow my diet as I too like eating this way.

[QUOTE=indy_gal]I can handle the occassional pimple.[/QUOTE]

So can I...even 4, 5 or 6 pimples but that would just be dreaming. At least pimples usually vanish after 1 or 2 days. The red marks, blemishs and discolourations are the real pain in the buttts.

[QUOTE=indy_gal]I am taking liver cleansing herbs.[/QUOTE]

Yeh you mentioned this in your last post and I replied by asking what exactly are these herbs as I am really interested in taking them. Maybe this is why your tolerance levels have improved. Good luck with the glycolic acid product (how much % does it contain), just apply it lightly as sometimes those products can burn sensitive skin.

Hope everything continues to go well for both you guys...till next time take care :D





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