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[QUOTE=Zshock]Well I eat alot of fresh meats, bananas, apples, drink lots of water, milk. I do sometimes have processed stuff, I mean my parents cook so I'm not sure exactly what I"m eating most of the time. I'm sure it's not too bad. I have super crappy genes as far as weight goes, so I have to watch what I eat and exercise.

A recent change I made to my diet is that I don't eat big meals 3 times a day like I used to...eating like that used to make me feel tired all day long. Now I eat a lot of snacks throughout the day like glass of water, glass of milk, fruits, vegetables. I still eat my main meals, they are just alot smaller and I eat alot more snacks throughout the day...this helps keep my energy levels up and I don't get that bloated feeling from eating too much.[/QUOTE]

Hey I posted to you on another thread and while we won't talk about what happened to that one, I did mention a few possibilities as to why you changed your diet in the past and didn't see results. Yet as a body builder or in just trying to add weight, are you carb loading a lot? If so, you do understand why body builders do this, right? If you do, then certainly you must understand how [B]significant[/B] a role carbohyrates, some more than others, play in influencing our hormonal balance.

I've run into a few weight trainers and unfortunately because weight training is very important, they aren't able to make all the neccessary dietary changes to clear them, but they were able to get 90% - 95% clear through diet alone and then some added other supplements such as R-ALA, Fish Oils or B5 Therapy (2g maintence) to get them the rest of the way!

I actually ran into something that suggested a healthier way of carb loading & use of supplements to minimize side effects I could post that for ya. Also, I don't know how interested you are still, but if one day you get to a point where you decide that you would like to experiment again, here's a few things for you to think about:

If your family have any allergies or intolerances to food, you may want to avoid those foods too.

If your family has health problems that are related to insulin resistance syndrome such as obsesity, heart disease, high cholesterol, then you may want to follow a Low-Mod Carbohydrate diet (45 - 55% carb) and/or try avoiding Gluten, trans fats, and added sugars.

If your family has other hormonal problems such as hypothryoidism or digestive problems, you may want to look into diets that are specific for them or avoid some of the foods that fall onto a Food Intolerance list (as these foods are associated with autoimmune disorders).

If there's a food item, usually exception will be most vegetables, that you are eating TONS of daily or is your favorite food....I would eliminate that item first as some foods may be our favorites or induce cravings because our bodies may secretly be addicted to it (you can be addicted to bad things...alcohol, smoking, drugs). There's a possibility that you'll know if you are, if you get all enraged at the concept of avoiding your favorite foods "just to clear you" or if you have very hard time doing so ;-)

Furthermore, while it looks like we are avoiding misc. items, usually we all are avoiding foods that have already been shown to cause allergic or intolerant reactions in susceptible individuals. So it's a possibility that these foods may pose [B]additional[/B] problems for another group of people that aren't allergic, such as acne sufferers or those with autoimmune disorders (some consider acne to be autoimmune due to inflammatory reactions), yet an easy way to see the connections with what we avoid is to look at their categories:

1. Dairy = milk, cheese, yogurt, butter, lactose, casein, whey, etc

2. Grains – Gluten (wheat, barely, rye, kamut, spelt, [oat] varieties) Non-gluten (rice, corn, quinoa, amaranth, millet), Buckwheat (not a grain, it’s a fruit)

3. Fruits – Citrus Fruits, Tropical Fruits (bananas, plantain, papaya, mango, kiwi, guava, etc), Blueberries – Cranberries, the Rose Family (applies, pears, berries, peaches, etc)

(EX:) The Rose Family -
Geneus [I]Prunus[/I] – Almonds, Plums/Prunes, Apricot, Peaches, Nectarines
Genus [I]Rugus[/I] - Blackberries – Raspberries

4. Nuts
Soy nuts (legume)
Peanuts (legume)

Almonds (fruit)
Brazil nuts (seed)

Tha Cashew Family – Cashews, Pistachios, Mangos, & other types of plums

Pecans – Walnuts

5. Vegetables – Nightshades (potato, red, white, etc; peppers, chili, tomato, cucumber, eggplant)

(those are just examples to clarify that even though someone is allergic to nuts or berries, they fall under different categories, families or genuses and therefore one may not actually be allergic to ALL supposed nuts, etc. Of course this makes it easier to test food avoidance by eliminating foods within individual groups or entire groups if need be, without hopefully having to eliminate, ALL grains or all Fruits for example.)

Therefore, if you find that you are intolerant to one of the above, there are other options available. There are other grains to eat, and there's even other protein sources (egg whites, rice bran or hemp) that can replace your current protein supplements, if you take any.

Just some thoughts
[QUOTE=SweetJade1]Hey I posted to you on another thread and while we won't talk about what happened to that one, I did mention a few possibilities as to why you changed your diet in the past and didn't see results. Yet as a body builder or in just trying to add weight, are you carb loading a lot? If so, you do understand why body builders do this, right? If you do, then certainly you must understand how [B]significant[/B] a role carbohyrates, some more than others, play in influencing our hormonal balance.

I've run into a few weight trainers and unfortunately because weight training is very important, they aren't able to make all the neccessary dietary changes to clear them, but they were able to get 90% - 95% clear through diet alone and then some added other supplements such as R-ALA, Fish Oils or B5 Therapy (2g maintence) to get them the rest of the way!

I actually ran into something that suggested a healthier way of carb loading & use of supplements to minimize side effects I could post that for ya. Also, I don't know how interested you are still, but if one day you get to a point where you decide that you would like to experiment again, here's a few things for you to think about:

If your family have any allergies or intolerances to food, you may want to avoid those foods too.

If your family has health problems that are related to insulin resistance syndrome such as obsesity, heart disease, high cholesterol, then you may want to follow a Low-Mod Carbohydrate diet (45 - 55% carb) and/or try avoiding Gluten, trans fats, and added sugars.

If your family has other hormonal problems such as hypothryoidism or digestive problems, you may want to look into diets that are specific for them or avoid some of the foods that fall onto a Food Intolerance list (as these foods are associated with autoimmune disorders).

If there's a food item, usually exception will be most vegetables, that you are eating TONS of daily or is your favorite food....I would eliminate that item first as some foods may be our favorites or induce cravings because our bodies may secretly be addicted to it (you can be addicted to bad things...alcohol, smoking, drugs). There's a possibility that you'll know if you are, if you get all enraged at the concept of avoiding your favorite foods "just to clear you" or if you have very hard time doing so ;-)

Furthermore, while it looks like we are avoiding misc. items, usually we all are avoiding foods that have already been shown to cause allergic or intolerant reactions in susceptible individuals. So it's a possibility that these foods may pose [B]additional[/B] problems for another group of people that aren't allergic, such as acne sufferers or those with autoimmune disorders (some consider acne to be autoimmune due to inflammatory reactions), yet an easy way to see the connections with what we avoid is to look at their categories:

1. Dairy = milk, cheese, yogurt, butter, lactose, casein, whey, etc

2. Grains ? Gluten (wheat, barely, rye, kamut, spelt, [oat] varieties) Non-gluten (rice, corn, quinoa, amaranth, millet), Buckwheat (not a grain, it?s a fruit)

3. Fruits ? Citrus Fruits, Tropical Fruits (bananas, plantain, papaya, mango, kiwi, guava, etc), Blueberries ? Cranberries, the Rose Family (applies, pears, berries, peaches, etc)

(EX:) The Rose Family -
Geneus [I]Prunus[/I] ? Almonds, Plums/Prunes, Apricot, Peaches, Nectarines
Genus [I]Rugus[/I] - Blackberries ? Raspberries

4. Nuts
Soy nuts (legume)
Peanuts (legume)

Almonds (fruit)
Brazil nuts (seed)

Tha Cashew Family ? Cashews, Pistachios, Mangos, & other types of plums

Pecans ? Walnuts

5. Vegetables ? Nightshades (potato, red, white, etc; peppers, chili, tomato, cucumber, eggplant)

(those are just examples to clarify that even though someone is allergic to nuts or berries, they fall under different categories, families or genuses and therefore one may not actually be allergic to ALL supposed nuts, etc. Of course this makes it easier to test food avoidance by eliminating foods within individual groups or entire groups if need be, without hopefully having to eliminate, ALL grains or all Fruits for example.)

Therefore, if you find that you are intolerant to one of the above, there are other options available. There are other grains to eat, and there's even other protein sources (egg whites, rice bran or hemp) that can replace your current protein supplements, if you take any.

Just some thoughts[/QUOTE]

Hi SweetJade1,

I just have to say that I love your advice. You are very knowledgeable, and I really respect and admire that quality in people. Keep up the good work! :)
[QUOTE=SweetJade1]Hey I posted to you on another thread and while we won't talk about what happened to that one, I did mention a few possibilities as to why you changed your diet in the past and didn't see results. Yet as a body builder or in just trying to add weight, are you carb loading a lot? If so, you do understand why body builders do this, right? If you do, then certainly you must understand how [B]significant[/B] a role carbohyrates, some more than others, play in influencing our hormonal balance.

I've run into a few weight trainers and unfortunately because weight training is very important, they aren't able to make all the neccessary dietary changes to clear them, but they were able to get 90% - 95% clear through diet alone and then some added other supplements such as R-ALA, Fish Oils or B5 Therapy (2g maintence) to get them the rest of the way!

I actually ran into something that suggested a healthier way of carb loading & use of supplements to minimize side effects I could post that for ya. Also, I don't know how interested you are still, but if one day you get to a point where you decide that you would like to experiment again, here's a few things for you to think about:

If your family have any allergies or intolerances to food, you may want to avoid those foods too.

If your family has health problems that are related to insulin resistance syndrome such as obsesity, heart disease, high cholesterol, then you may want to follow a Low-Mod Carbohydrate diet (45 - 55% carb) and/or try avoiding Gluten, trans fats, and added sugars.

If your family has other hormonal problems such as hypothryoidism or digestive problems, you may want to look into diets that are specific for them or avoid some of the foods that fall onto a Food Intolerance list (as these foods are associated with autoimmune disorders).

If there's a food item, usually exception will be most vegetables, that you are eating TONS of daily or is your favorite food....I would eliminate that item first as some foods may be our favorites or induce cravings because our bodies may secretly be addicted to it (you can be addicted to bad things...alcohol, smoking, drugs). There's a possibility that you'll know if you are, if you get all enraged at the concept of avoiding your favorite foods "just to clear you" or if you have very hard time doing so ;-)

Furthermore, while it looks like we are avoiding misc. items, usually we all are avoiding foods that have already been shown to cause allergic or intolerant reactions in susceptible individuals. So it's a possibility that these foods may pose [B]additional[/B] problems for another group of people that aren't allergic, such as acne sufferers or those with autoimmune disorders (some consider acne to be autoimmune due to inflammatory reactions), yet an easy way to see the connections with what we avoid is to look at their categories:

1. Dairy = milk, cheese, yogurt, butter, lactose, casein, whey, etc

2. Grains – Gluten (wheat, barely, rye, kamut, spelt, [oat] varieties) Non-gluten (rice, corn, quinoa, amaranth, millet), Buckwheat (not a grain, it’s a fruit)

3. Fruits – Citrus Fruits, Tropical Fruits (bananas, plantain, papaya, mango, kiwi, guava, etc), Blueberries – Cranberries, the Rose Family (applies, pears, berries, peaches, etc)

(EX:) The Rose Family -
Geneus [I]Prunus[/I] – Almonds, Plums/Prunes, Apricot, Peaches, Nectarines
Genus [I]Rugus[/I] - Blackberries – Raspberries

4. Nuts
Soy nuts (legume)
Peanuts (legume)

Almonds (fruit)
Brazil nuts (seed)

Tha Cashew Family – Cashews, Pistachios, Mangos, & other types of plums

Pecans – Walnuts

5. Vegetables – Nightshades (potato, red, white, etc; peppers, chili, tomato, cucumber, eggplant)

(those are just examples to clarify that even though someone is allergic to nuts or berries, they fall under different categories, families or genuses and therefore one may not actually be allergic to ALL supposed nuts, etc. Of course this makes it easier to test food avoidance by eliminating foods within individual groups or entire groups if need be, without hopefully having to eliminate, ALL grains or all Fruits for example.)

Therefore, if you find that you are intolerant to one of the above, there are other options available. There are other grains to eat, and there's even other protein sources (egg whites, rice bran or hemp) that can replace your current protein supplements, if you take any.

Just some thoughts[/QUOTE]


I don't even remember what happened last time you posted...? Anyways I do believe that a part of my acne my be diet related..but I think more of it in my case is genetics. I could go strickly vegetarian and I guarantee that I wouldn't see any changes in my acne. I eat a balanced diet. I don't load up on any one particulary item like carbs, but I do get enough of them throughout the day. I'm doing really good in my weightlifting/bodyweight exercises and I have a balanced diet. I don't see a need to change my diet...I just don't think a big diet change would clear me up. Diet may work for some people, but I believe that some problems are inherited through your genes. My dad had horrible acne like I do and his back is just as scarred as mine is.
[QUOTE=Zshock]I don't even remember what happened last time you posted...? Anyways I do believe that a part of my acne my be diet related..but I think more of it in my case is genetics. I could go strickly vegetarian and I guarantee that I wouldn't see any changes in my acne. I eat a balanced diet. I don't load up on any one particulary item like carbs, but I do get enough of them throughout the day. I'm doing really good in my weightlifting/bodyweight exercises and I have a balanced diet. I don't see a need to change my diet...I just don't think a big diet change would clear me up. Diet may work for some people, but I believe that some problems are inherited through your genes. My dad had horrible acne like I do and his back is just as scarred as mine is.[/QUOTE]

LOL, the thread went "poof" and I don't know why either but, you mentioned something that I hear often and I don't believe that it's a good enough reason/excuse not to pursue [U]other[/U] treatment options (if not diet). My acne is "genetic", my mother had bad acne like I do (facial & body acne) only mine occurs elsewere too. M brother has/had acne on his face, my father still gets a bit of acne in his beard area or occasionally upper back, and if my mother eats chocolate candy she can still get a zit or two (smallish), yet that didn't stop dietary changes from getting me currently a bit more than 99% clear and improving other things as well.

Everyone at some point that discovered that the right diet worked for them, thought they had a "healthy" or at least healthier diet than other people, especially non-acne sufferers. However just like how a person can be allergic to a particular food & can be on a healthy balanced diet, that "balance" can not include the food that they are allergic to...or it's not healthy for them. Does that make sense? In other words, what good is all those nutrients, etc if that particular food you are eating is (unknowingly) causing you problems?

Considering that your father still has acne, did either of you ever get checked for a hormonal imbalance? In males hormonal imbalances do occur, and when they do it can be due to [B]Insulin Resistance Syndrome [/B] (hence the reducing the carbs or gluten, etc) induced Hyperandrogenism, [B]Adrenal Imbalance [/B] induced Hyperandrogenism or due to [B]Hypothyroidism[/B], all of which can boost your DHT production and inflammatory products that work toward the development of acne. I know that some doctors won't test males or give males drugs to lower the testosterone/DHT levels, but a sign of a hormonal imbalance in males is usually the acne (since androgens play the largest role in its presence).

My point here is that I don't want you or anyone else to limit yourself because you think that just because it's "genetic" that there may be no real answer for you. That's simply not true. Based on the disorders above, there's several treatment options available. There's other males here that will attest to both dietary effects as well as the medications or supplements associated with reducing hyperandrogenism and which was the most effective for them. I personally have used antiandrogens & insulin sensitizers (anti-androgenic) and while they did help me, I discovered that just altering my diet produced the most significant results I've ever had. So despite the science behind both diet and antiandrogen or anti-inflammatory medications/supplements, our bodies will tell us what is the RIGHT solution, and I hope that you get a chance to discover what is the right one for you.

Best wishes
[QUOTE=SweetJade1]LOL, the thread went "poof" and I don't know why either but, you mentioned something that I hear often and I don't believe that it's a good enough reason/excuse not to pursue [U]other[/U] treatment options (if not diet). My acne is "genetic", my mother had bad acne like I do (facial & body acne) only mine occurs elsewere too. M brother has/had acne on his face, my father still gets a bit of acne in his beard area or occasionally upper back, and if my mother eats chocolate candy she can still get a zit or two (smallish), yet that didn't stop dietary changes from getting me currently a bit more than 99% clear and improving other things as well.

Everyone at some point that discovered that the right diet worked for them, thought they had a "healthy" or at least healthier diet than other people, especially non-acne sufferers. However just like how a person can be allergic to a particular food & can be on a healthy balanced diet, that "balance" can not include the food that they are allergic to...or it's not healthy for them. Does that make sense? In other words, what good is all those nutrients, etc if that particular food you are eating is (unknowingly) causing you problems?

Considering that your father still has acne, did either of you ever get checked for a hormonal imbalance? In males hormonal imbalances do occur, and when they do it can be due to [B]Insulin Resistance Syndrome [/B] (hence the reducing the carbs or gluten, etc) induced Hyperandrogenism, [B]Adrenal Imbalance [/B] induced Hyperandrogenism or due to [B]Hypothyroidism[/B], all of which can boost your DHT production and inflammatory products that work toward the development of acne. I know that some doctors won't test males or give males drugs to lower the testosterone/DHT levels, but a sign of a hormonal imbalance in males is usually the acne (since androgens play the largest role in its presence).

My point here is that I don't want you or anyone else to limit yourself because you think that just because it's "genetic" that there may be no real answer for you. That's simply not true. Based on the disorders above, there's several treatment options available. There's other males here that will attest to both dietary effects as well as the medications or supplements associated with reducing hyperandrogenism and which was the most effective for them. I personally have used antiandrogens & insulin sensitizers (anti-androgenic) and while they did help me, I discovered that just altering my diet produced the most significant results I've ever had. So despite the science behind both diet and antiandrogen or anti-inflammatory medications/supplements, our bodies will tell us what is the RIGHT solution, and I hope that you get a chance to discover what is the right one for you.

Best wishes[/QUOTE]


I agree a diet change may help me...but only a litte. My dad no longer has acne, he had it and he says he had it as bad as I do now. I don't believe that a diet change would help me get 99% clear...I have the most severe kind of acne and I really don't think that any amount of diet change is going to help in my case. I have done some experimenting and I have yet to find out what works for my body, but I really don't believe that cutting out all fruits, vegetables, carbs, dairy or any other specific food group is really that healthy for your body. If acne is caused by people with horrible diets then why do I see so many other teenagers out there with the crappiest diets and the clearest faces?

I mean I have made a diet change recently...I cut way back on my meats and dairy and my acne is as bad now as it ever was.

I do believe that I may have a hormonal imbalance, but I have never been tested for it.





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