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There are some down right dangerous practises recommended in this thread and I am doing this to solely protect those who know no better when prescribing themselves treatments. Just because you can purchase something over the counter does not make it safe.

[i]This is my first post at healthboards, however i have been posting around the web for years, and have fully researched most of the current ideas about acne-genesis. I am training to (possibly) end up as a dermatologist and specialise in acne. I have also suffered from relatively sever acne for 9 years.[/i]

Re- google - search :)

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Firstly we are all in the same boat, we have all read about so many different regimes, drugs, supplements and alternative therapies. Secondly sweetjade is very intelligent and i recommend you check out many of her posts, if you want to skip doing the research for yourself. [/i]

She is without doubt a kind person however she advises avoiding practically all food groups and adopting a completely unnatural diet containing no - for one - saturated fat amongst other essential and natural healthy foods on equivocal or plain flawed evidence.*

*I am not up to date on the current dietary beliefs :jester:

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What i mean is that the symptoms generate a certain level psychological distress that leads to the patient striving to find a cure. This primarily occurs during adolesance when the psyche is developing and is very vunerable, many patients end up with a degree of BDD (body-dysmorphic disorder). This is caused by a years of percieving themselves in a bad light, and at the end of the day our perceptions of reality IS our reality.
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ok, yes, true

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It is also true that once we believe something about our reality, (and ourselves) that thing will manifest, which provides evidence for our beliefs and so our beliefs get stronger. Thus it is a feed forward loop.

So as we all know acute stress leads to flare-ups, and chronic distess leads to adrenal exhaustion, immune disfunction, and hormonal imbalance. [b]My point is that; it IS very important to treat the cause of acne, that is to embark on a long term strategy to clean up your body,[/b] but it is equally important to take care of the symptoms of acne. Because if we have less (or no) symptoms, then we aren't so stressed, and overtime our perception of ourselves changes and we subconsciously start to think of our selves as 'aperson who doesn't have (or who has very little) acne' this is our perception and thus it becomes our reality. [/i]

All take note, it is vital to [b] Clean up your body [/b]

next...

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(NB, this process is the cause of many chronic diseases of the western world, such as the unwanted activation of a anzyme called ACE, that gave a advantage to our ancestors, but in this modern western world, it causes heart failure...which is why heart failure is treated with ACE inhibitors).
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What kind of logic is that? how can something advantageous to us in the past cause heart failure today? bubijsgdsg?

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Also what is causation anyway? many people say bacteria causes acne, NO IT DOESNT, hormone imbalance causes acne, NO IT DOESNT, diet causes acne, NO IT DOESNT our genetic make-up causes acne.....Do you see what i mean.
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yeah, far out man!

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I mean we CAN do our best to eat a healthy diet, that suits us (don't eat foods that break us out) avoid stress etc BUT we should NOT forget about the symptoms. Orthodox medicine has developed within the western world it is designed to meet its needs, we shouldn't dismiss it.
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its the other way around, you have to eat enough foods that keeps skin healthy such as animal fat rich in natural fat soluble vitamins A, E, etc not detrimental artificial vitamins like ascorbic acid or pantethenic acid, or vegetable based 'bio-unavailable' vitamins like beta carotene. Lard, beef tallow, fatty lamb - all the tasty stuff, butter - if you tolerate dairy.

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Finally my suggestions for maintaining clear skin (which i think is the best we can do unless we undertake a lifesyle that is very difficult if we want to live in the western world. So until we evolve to or we get better at genetic engineering, we must look at want has been proven in scientific studies to work and we must take them all (or many of them).
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I assume you mean "lose"
Yes, the human body has far too many redundant features, I mean what use are toes? and why have ears, surely its better to just have holes in the sides of our heads?

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1.THERAPIES THAT BEEN PROVEN (and what i take.. i am now maintained virtually clear and easily controlled).
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Proven to do what? because it isnít help acne -

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Vitamin B5.... (more than 5g per day, i take 6g per day, divided)
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the B5 study is one by a whacky chinese guy Lit-Hung Leung in a journal unrecognised medically. B5 is pantothenic acid, the rda is about 5mg. The mechanism for action is to cure a deficiency of coemzyme q110, So why not just take coemzyme q10- reason, the theory is made up, its easy to convince people with no knowledge of the subject anything you like, and even easier to convince people who 'think' they have knowledge of the subject. Yes is may work but it is not because of the theoretical mechanism, and more importantly B5 is an acid, if you take such huge amounts of it say goodbye to your bones because the calcium is what the body will be using to try and lower the ph or your digestive system.

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Zinc ............(80mg per day...plus copper 2mg per day)
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Say hello to prostate cancer amongst others things

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Guggul..........(25mg guggulsterones 2 or 3 times per day)
Red and Blue Lamp (dermulux) .....(15min once or twice per day)
minocycline.....(100mg per day....THIS DOES WORK IF TAKEN
AT THE SAME TIME EVERY DAY, ON AN EMPTY STOMACH NOT WITH ANY OTHER SUPPLEMENTS. ALSO WHILE TAKING IT, PRO-BIOTICS (8BILLION PER DAY) SHOULD BE TAKEN AND GRAPEFRUIT SEED EXTRACT SHOULD BE USED (INTERNALLY; 20 DROPS IN WATER 3 TIMES PER DAY, AND EXTERNALLY; MIX 5 DROPS INTO WASH TWICE PER DAY). AND VITAMIN C (2-3G PER DAY). The probiotics replenish gut bacteria, the grapefruit seed extract kills any yeast (and p-acnes) and the vitamin c prevents minocline induced tissue stains.

TRETINOIN......(once (or twice occasionally) per evening, use sunscreen )
Benzoyl peroxide.....(once per day, not with tretinoin, use enough...see
*********..'dans regime')
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Now lets recall the quote, it is vital to [b] Clean up your body [/b]

Clean up your bodly be taking huge quantities of what are nothing more than isolated artificial chemicals. Hello irony, Goodbye health.

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EVERYTHING i have just above has scientific studies to prove they work (check pub-med), ....
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Again this is dubious.

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2.OTHER THERAPIES BASED ON SCIENTIFIC STUDIES:

A study on the drug, Zileuton (A LOX-5 inhibitor) showed that it is effective against the inflammatory component of acne, but you can not buy this drug yet, so there are many natural LOX-5 inhibitors, such as Tumeric and Boswellic acid. These must be taken for about a month and at relatively high dosage (Tumeric about 5 times the dose on the back).
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Obviously you should also be taking evening primrose, flaxseed oil AND borage oil, not either or.
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Oh yes OBVIOUSLY! (?)
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B-complex, Niacin, vitamin B-6 and saw palmetto all help balance hormones.

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Some more useless isolated artificially chemicals used librally shouldn't hurt (or help) saw palmetto esspecially for guys who want to be a bit more femanine (flax oil too)

cba to comment much more...

[i]The last acne solution...leo ceisen (i think thats his name)
Other rediculously strict dietary regimes....(if you want to do this thats fine, i have tried them all and none of them got rid of the symptoms they just made me depressed) [/i]

I wonder what regimes you tried, I bet they were acne specific nonsense ones.

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Liver lipotrophic formulaes....Very useful to keep the liver performing well (should include high dose milk thistle, inositol and dandelion)
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If you want a good liver eat enough meat and fat.

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In conclusion i think that doing all the proven therapies will keep your acne under control,
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if not kill you first

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Any treatments that are undertaken should be done so with,the background of a healthy diet, i.e stick to a predominantly ayevedic (pitta constitution diet...research this if you dont know what im talking about, or ask me and ill fill you in), this ISNOT an extreame diet, (you're allowed ice cream)
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Now this does explain a lot, I quote

"The word Ayurveda comes from two Sanskrit words - Ayur meaning life, and Veda meaning knowledge. This traditional Indian life science is the oldest form of medicine known to man; its guiding principles are said to have been handed down from the Hindu gods, and written texts date back 3500 years. "

I leave with that, from what I can see its an all vegetarian diet with a load of herbs thrown in. Not something any human should eat.


Do yourself a favour, drop the vegetarian nonesense, buy nourishing traditions or Neanderthin or Life Without Bread by Christian Allan and Wolfgang Lutz, or even Dr. Atkin's New Diet Revolution (and skip the first 2 weeks) drop the meds and vitamins that are not working and fix your acne and establish optimum health with proper nutrition, AT LEAST TRY. Listen to information FROM A REAL SCIENTIST, not me and not this budding-megavitamin-ologist.





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