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[I]2. nobody should read a post like this one and immediately do what it says without first researching it themselves. no offense to kkpb, but this person could be a complete wackjob who doesn't take any of the pills that he recommends and really works as a cashier at McDonalds[/I].

:) ...lol...You ARE TOTALLY right (not that i work as a cashier in mc donalds lol) but that people should research this for themselves...that is EXACTLY what i am saying, i totally agree with you. That is why this post is called 'SCIENTIFIC MAINTENANCE' because EVERYTHING has scientific proof and so it CAN be researched and you dont have to just take my word for it.

in fact you should be commended , because the more research that is done the more ideas that we have and the better it is for all of us...p.s. i actually work as a training doctor (hoping of specialising in dermatology) in guys and st-thomas's hospital in London, although there is a mac-donalds literally built onto the actual hospital, which i think is kind of ironic!

[I]3. It really bugs me how he says that you should take all this natural vitamins, eat this healthy diet, yet to also take accutane. [/I]

I think i wasn't clear enough. I don't think people should take accutane unless they are very severe. Because i have been on two courses of it, and it certainly isn't pleasant. But IT WORKS. it works better and faster than any other treatment, drug, process, diet, herb or system on the planet. And when you've tried everything and you are on the verge of literally killing youself (as many people are due to their BDD) then its worth it, even if you do get some dryness and muscle ache. And you dont need to take any other therapy when your on accutane.

My point was that if you are severe then the symptoms need to be cleared rapidly to avoid BDD, depression, etc so that you can give time for the diet etc to work. most people won't need to go on accutane.

[I]4. When reading his post, notice that he does take minocycline among all the other pills, which happens to be one of the drugs that many doctors recommend for acne. That's what is most likely keeping him acne-free.[/I]

I can see why you may think that but it isn't the case. You see this is my third course of minocycline (i have also been on oxytetracycline) this time around i am a year into the course. After the first few months my acne started to get worse again, my dermatologist recommended either lymecycline or another course of isotretinoin (accutane) which i wasn't keen on. So then i thought...

I was already on a healthy diet plan, and had tried all the proven alternatives (that i have mentioned in my original post) but i hadn't tried all the proven therapies AT THE SAME TIME. (NB i cannot under-estimate the importance of using grape fruit seed extract (look it up on pubmed in reference to treating the super-bacterium; MRSA) both orally and mixed in with wash, as this kills any candida resulting from the minocycline and prevents development of antibiotic resistance).

I only take about 4 of the proven therapies i mentioned (and i have cut down on my initial dose) and one of the therapies is the light box. Once i started on them, my skin cleared. Its science not speculation. But you DEFINATELY should research them all first that is what i want, that is the whole point of this thread.

[I]And one final thing:
"Also what is causation anyway? many people say bacteria causes acne, NO IT DOESNT, hormone imbalance causes acne, NO IT DOESNT, diet causes acne, NO IT DOESNT our genetic make-up causes acne.....Do you see what i mean."

Hormonal imbalance is part of our genetic make-up as well as other factors.
If bacteria doesn't cause acne, then how are so many doctors "tricked" to think that that is a major factor AND why does he use salacylic acid and benzoyl peroxide every day??? (both are proven to kill BACTERIA)[/I]

This is a complicated philosohical point, that is difficult to summarize. My point was that Bacteria does cause acne, but only if there is a hormone imbalance. The hormone imbalance is CAUSED by a mixture of diet, environment (toxin, stress etc) and genetics. I was trying to point out that it is quite meaningless the say that it is better to 'treat the cause and not the symptoms' because the cause is mult-layered.

Bacteria wont cause acne without a hormonal imbalance (increased sebum etc), there wont be a hormonal imbalance without the bad diet, or the genetic make up. The genetic make-up is impossible to cure, the environment is very difficult to change (TOXIC ENVIRONMENT THEORY) (unless we move to the north pole), the diet is fairly hard, but not impossible (but it takes along time), the hormone imbalance is not so long, and the bacteria is quick and easy. SO it is a good idea to try to work on all (except genetic and environment) the levels.

So yes, kill the bacteria, (minocycline, salicylic acid, Bp,tea tree oil, grape-fruit seed extract, red and blue light etc) reduce the sebum (guggu, B5), reduce the hormone imbalance (evening primrose, flax, borage, saw palmetto, zinc, DIET etc), but make sure that you dont neglect the symptoms, which have a special importance in acne, (BDD, anxiety, stress depression worsening symptoms, suicide etc). Work on ALL levels, not just the 'cause'!

Thank you for your post portrgirl, i made me clarify things for myself, please post again if you spot anything else that needs clarification.

gotta go, by boss is shouting at me to clean the fat from the chip fryer

mike
(kkpb)





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