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[FONT=Comic Sans MS][COLOR=DarkOrchid][COLOR=Magenta]littledaga[/COLOR], I respect you immensely for sticking to such a strict diet. I was always lucky if I could last 8 days, let alone 8 weeks, on such a diet. I am sure your acne has improved a lot since adopting your diet. I remember the first time I really tried to be disciplined with what I ate - after three days of a near-Palaeolithic diet, my cystic acne turned off like a tap.

On the one hand I was amazed that there was something that could help me beat acne, but on the other hand I was gutted that it meant I had to eat like a cave man :D That is why my regimen has been such a revelation to me! And I firmly believe that there is a chance that it could help you relax your diet too. In fact, I believe that you won't see the full benefits of your strict diet [I]until[/I] you cleanse your digestive system. You need to give it a fighting chance to keep the toxins in check![/COLOR][/FONT]
ErimusValidus,
Now to answer your other major question. I believe it was something along the idea that if [U]all [/U] we need to do is cleanse our toxic systems, why advocate major dietary changes considering how hard it is to do in Western Civilization, right?

Well, knowledge is power. Without proper knowledge one wouldn't know the right way to change their diet, let alone what form of cleansing and detoxification to use. For myself, I had always believed in unconventional or alternative measure of health care, but I never really saw results. I changed my diet a few times. I took some herbs. I even did parasite cleanse (partially) and two liver flushes (2 years apart). Obviously none of my cleansing measures were effective enough, but I never followed through properly. I have my reasons for this such as I was scared to see parasites (most are microscopic), but I'm not anymore so one day I may try it again. ;-) With the liver flushes, usually colonics/enemas have to follow and I don't believe that's a natural thing whatsoever.

Therefore my first attempt at Liver Flushing, the day after (when you expell stones), I actually vomited & nearly passed out and DID pass out later that day (at the mall with friends getting food, lol) but this may have been due to me fasting longer than 24 hours (I don't always eat regulary) or because I was on Spironolactone (can lower blood pressure - may not have stopped it soon enough) at the time or because I used 100% Pink Grapefruit Juice & 100% Apple Juice (not good for Diabetics). So it took awhile for me to realize that I didn't actually follow the procedure [I]properly[/I] and that because I'm Insulin Resistant perhaps the apple juice was a bad move. So I tried it again, using pure pink grapefruit throughout, made sure I ate 3 meals the prior day, so that I was fasting only 24 hours, and I hadn't take Spiro in months. Everything went wonderfullly (passed larger and more stones than before), except it took 3 days (including day after fast) before I actually had a bowel movement (constipation?) and so I started breaking out badly but with cysts on my lower chin and underneck.

Now at the time, I assoc. this to possibly doing the liver flush, even though my first flush this didn't happen (thought maybe the spiro and avandia were helping there). I was also aware that this same event of cystic acne developed the year prior and I blammed it on either Cherry consumption or Whey Isolate powder as it stopped when I stopped consuming both of these. So this was around May & June and so I was also concerned that perhaps I was developing a new type of breakout period (gasp, but I thought my diet worked). So I didn't know what to do or think so I just left it alone.

I've been wanting to do another liver flush again, around that same time period (spring is when we should do cleansings) but this year I didn't because I wanted to see if I was truly going through some sort of new breakout period. Of course, I figured I woudn't break out, wasn't 100% certain, because I had already discovered the connection with the prior two years and that type of acne. The connection was Whey powder as I later discovered I can't have dairy products, but dairy doesn't cause underchin acne. So the connection for that type was the cherries the first year (no liver flush), and the tons of plums I was eating AFTER my 2nd flush. LOL, see the following summer, I began to suspect almonds as causing me this type of acne as well.

I had gradually eliminated all nuts from my diet because I suspected them to cause me some type of acne and most of the do, but I never eliminated almonds and actually INCREASED my intake because they were the least problematic among acne sufferers. I went through a period where I broke out with the underchin acne during the Fall & Spring and I couldn't understand it. Then I went through periods where I didn't. I thought about those times in the spring and realized it was after consuming Peaches & Nectarines, so I gave them up and the acne disappeard for awhile. I thought about those times and it was when I wasn't eating Rasiens & Almonds (sorta like a nut & fruit trialmix) because I had ran out. I had remembered that some fruits are related to the fruits I had given up, Peaches, Plums, and Cherries were all related and I had this suspicion that almonds was apart of this group because of the type of acne I was experiencing. I looked it up and sure enough the genus [I]Prunus[/I] (Plums, Peaches, Nectarines, Apricots, Cherries, Almonds) contains ALL FOODS I LOVE, and gave me that type of acne. So i stopped the almonds, the acne went away and has never come back. Although after doing so, I developed IBS type sytmptoms again, just as I did when I first changed my diet going Gluten-Free, and that's because Almonds were giving me a nice among of fiber, which I lost. LOL, but as soon as I started consuming brown rice and more vegetables the problem went away.

So all of the above is why I remained so diet focused. Not to mention others that helped me along the way or that somehow I managed to help, never did any detoxes or cleanses (that I'm aware of) and they were 95% - 100% clear, and I was only 99% clear. Every now I then I would reflect back on why this could possibly be: not enough exercise, not enough vegetables, I must have systemic candida and/or a Leaky Gut. As I read more posts and articles on detoxification, food intolerance, Hypersensitivities, and reflected on other members posts, such as Prometheus I realized that some of them were able to eat more foods than I because they[B] had [/B] done the cleansings, liver flushes and/or colonics/enemas.

Thanks to recently learning that Insulin Resistance is a Silent Chronic Inflammatory Disease and that acne, another inflammtory "disease", can be labeled as [B]Delayed Type Hypersenstivities [/B] to foods, toxins, etc that cross our gut barrier, I began to take more interest in Leaky Gut Syndrome. I always had suspicions but my avoidance of Almonds and assoc. fruits doesn't have anything to do with Insulin Resistance and so I figured it had to to with Leaky Gut (nuts aggrivated a leaky gut). When I purchased a book on Leaky Gut Syndrome (LGS), I discovered all the ways it's possible to develop this condition. I knew of a few, such as antibotics and NSAIDS and stress, but there's quite a few more including CANDIDA and Parasites!

Candida is something that I've suspected I've had ever since I went off of Minocycline (5 years ago) after 3 months, as [I]I broke out WORSE [/I] than ever before (despite Spiro and BC) and [B]developed new acne [/B] (in various places) and whenever I eat something (suspect too much table sugar as fruits don't do this), that new acne will be triggered to this day! Yes I did some oral and supporsitory Antifungals due to yeast infections, but I don't think it fully went away. I even tried taking Natren Probiotics and PB-8 but these didn't do anything either (wrong type?). So upon researching further about Candida I learned that this can cause various food and chemical sensitivities, possibly because candida is irritating, thus inflamming, thus increasing gut permeability and allowing particles that are normally too large and not [U]fully digested [/U] (chew food thoroughly) to enter the blood stream which illicits an immune response...thus one way silent long term inflammation is born. Members have found success in curing candida by following varius types of anti-candida diets, taking kefir as well as taking coconut oil, which also meant they were able to eat certain types of sugary foods again.

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[QUOTE=pr0ps]to EV and SweetJade, i know that toxins in the body causes acne. but what about the external factors? such as dead skin cells clog the pores and the sebum cannot come out and the bacteria causes inflammation. i strongly believe that toxins in the body causes acne but it confuses me if i included external factors. one example is when my bangs is down (like owen wilson's hair style) and it touches my forehead always, then like 2 days later, 1 to 2 acnes are formed (coincidence?). im getting good results with this regimen but what about the external factors??? if it also cause acne, then that must be very confusing :confused: i know you know the answer so i was wondering if you can clear this out for me. :) :wave:

thanks and your replies would be MUCH appreciated. :)[/QUOTE]

Hi =)

Bacteria and Hyperkertinization (clogged pores) are considered internal factors and they don't really exist (if you take care of other internal factors). Everyone has bacteria as a natural part of our bodies's flora and not everyone has problems with it. In fact well, when it comes to hypersensitivity issues, not everyone will, yet I really think that killing ALL p.acnes bacteria has always been the wrong way to go. Sure perhaps 1 - 10% actually have a bacterial or some other microorganism infection in the skin or body that's primarily causing their acne, but most of us do not.

I know it's REALLY confusing, but if you think about all the products that we use and are successful, not all of them kill bacteria. Most of them directly or indirectly work by reducing inflammation (can cause clogged pores). Antibiotics, some kill bacteria, but some of those ALSO are anti-androgenic (also reduces inflammation), anti-inflammatory (via a different route), pseudo-antioxidant (anti-inflammatory), but of course antibiotics can also increase DHT production (for those with hirsutism or androgenic alopecia), can create another microogranism imbalance (most of us may have this as a secondary cause of acne), can cause Leaky Gut Syndrome (another cause of inflammation and thus acne), and can cause/activate Auto-immune Diseases (some of which have acne as sign and are also inflammatory). So antibiotics are NEVER the route to take unless they can prove a systemic infection or an infection with bacteria that's normally not common to us.

Of course, external factors count too. Dietary changes are considered external. How much water you drink is considered external. Exercising is external. Your laundry detergeants, your skin care, and of course your hair care are all external factors. Ever read Perricone's Acne Prescription? He stops at avoidance, but his is a 3 tiered system: Diet, Supplements, and then Skin Care. So you very well may have multiple factors for why you have acne. Some factors produce a certain type acne and while others may produce a certain amount. Yet there may only be a percentage of improvement achieved from each factor.


For example external produts are probably 10% of my problem. When I eliminate the pore cloggers I don't get breakouts from my skin care anymore, but that was certainly not enough to stop the continuous breakouts I was getting. I used Medications (anti-androgens & insulin sensitizers) as part of the internal solution and while they helped a lot, they weren't as significant as my dietary changes. Notice how my route was the [U]opposite[/U] of perricone's solution (I believe we should start with diet or detoxification first), this is how most people end up where we are today. However, regarding my own external factors, there's certain things I don't put in my hair and when someone is spraying that aerosol spray I dodge them because I don't want any acne from that. I actually get tiny acne or some sort of bumps when I spray Victoria Secret frangrances on my skin, and another girl I know (never breaks out) does also. Again, there's also certain skin care ingredients that breaks me, but interestingly since changing my diet I find that I can actually use products that contain more pore cloggers (not more than a 2 level now), where's as before I was adament about avoiding them (0 - 1 level are what I used).

So if there's something you are putting in your hair that causes you to break out then don't use it or don't let your hair touch your face =P If there's a product you like to use on your skin such as an exfoliator, continue to use it. It will keep your skin young, may help you heal fastor and if you ever get detoxified enough that you don't need it you can just use it occassionally as a boost. There's nothing wrong with having multiple solutions, but you know you aren't doing something right one you NEED multiple medications or tons of HIGH dose supplements, or various acne treatment products. If you are a chronic, long term sufferer or experience severe acne (cystic or nodular or acne all over the body) then you definately may want to further explore and act upon detoxification and/or dietary changes.

Clear things up a bit?
If I'm already getting 1-2 bowel movements a day, will taking psyllium and other cleanses really help much? I remember taking colonix which is a psyllum based intestinal cleanser and that broke me out horriby so I stopped. Right now I do the occasional colon cleanse with oxy-powder which definitely helps.

My condition:I have cystic acne/oily skin but it's being under controlled now for the most party by taking saw palmetto, zinc+b6, fish oil, antioxidants, and the occasional colon cleanse with oxy-powder.
[FONT=Comic Sans MS][COLOR=DarkOrchid][COLOR=Magenta]tata77[/COLOR], the improvement in the condition of my skin was definitely a gradual process as opposed to a sudden one. But I could always tell that my acne was getting less and less severe as the course progressed. Patience [I]is[/I] important, but you will know instinctively if things aren't improving, say in a month's time. If this turns out to be the case then don't hesitate to ask for advice. Indeed, if you want to tell me and the others more about your personal circumstances, then let's see if anyone can help :) As [COLOR=Magenta]littledaga[/COLOR] says, you could start by telling us as much as possible about your supplements.

[COLOR=Magenta]successfirst[/COLOR], the ratios you're considering should be okay as long as the supplements you've got are of standard quantities. As a rule of thumb, you want to take four times as much [COLOR=RoyalBlue]Pysllium Husks[/COLOR] as [COLOR=RoyalBlue]Activated Charcoal[/COLOR]. And like you say, you might as well wait until you've emptied your system before commencing the probiotics. With regards to the dosage thereof, I recommend consulting the manufacturer's guidelines.

[COLOR=Magenta]Kelly03[/COLOR], your enthusiasm to try a liver cleanse has got me thinking about it as well. My reason for wanting to try is that I still have a few (literally three or four) whiteheads under the surface of my skin. There are a couple on my neck and one on my forehead. It used to be that they would occasionally flare up into actual spots, but now they just lie dormant. However, I want to see if a liver cleanse will eliminate them once and for all. I've seen that you have started a thread about liver cleansing. I shall check it out and when I start a cleansing regimen I shall post my findings!

Regarding [COLOR=RoyalBlue]Vitamin A[/COLOR] and accutane: yes, [COLOR=RoyalBlue]Isotretinoin[/COLOR] (accutane) is a retinoid (a derivative of the vitamin). However, it is far more drying than regular [COLOR=RoyalBlue]Vitamin A[/COLOR]. I don't think the vitamin will cause obvious drying effects, but as that's the case I would drop it from your regimen to further reduce confusion. In my experience of accutane, it doesn't so much elimate oil but rather dry out the skin from the inside and [I]still[/I] leave the excess oil on the surface. It's not a good look :eek:

[COLOR=Magenta]omega47[/COLOR], I would recommend simply waiting until the initial fast (or any subsequent ones) is over before taking the probiotics i.e. if you're eating food regularly, then take the probiotics. Other people have queried the wisdom of this in light of the cleansing supplements "flushing out" the system, but as I understand it, probiotics are highly resilient in carrying out their function.

Hey [COLOR=Magenta]heymikey1981[/COLOR] :wave: I would say my acne was only moderate at the time I started my regimen. It [I]used to be[/I] severe but it got better after I took accutane. However, accutane never fully cured my acne which is why I went in search of other options. Last winter I suffered a very bad breakout that kickstarted my determination to find a cure. I had cystic acne that was very painful and made my face look like a warzone. Put it this way: if I was a girl, there would be no way I could have covered it up with make-up :( I'm definitely not one of these people who've "cured" themselves when all they had was one or two small spots a month. But maybe, in that sense, this regimen is more suited to sufferers of cystic acne...

It wouldn't do any harm to perform another fast, [COLOR=Magenta]littledaga[/COLOR]. I performed one about a month after the initial one and I think it helped considerably. I have some photographs of myself in Venice, just after the second fast, where I had a couple of active spots. Since then I don't recall getting such breakouts again. My memory of my second fast is that it took me longer to feel fully empty than it did the first time. But I guess that just depended on what I had eaten in previous days.

Hi there, [COLOR=Magenta]blah-de-blah[/COLOR] :wave: The supplements should only gather up the toxins as opposed to the nutrients in your diet. The brand I use is Holland and Barrett which is available online. If you look back through the thread (a bit of a task, I know :D) you will find some ideas about other probiotics. You may find, however, that you can order Yakult online from some retailers. Good luck![/COLOR][/FONT]





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