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[FONT=Comic Sans MS][COLOR=DarkOrchid][B]Hi All[/B] :) Phew, lots of discussion since I last checked in! As always, I'll try to respond to everyones' queries.

Hi [COLOR=Magenta]health15[/COLOR], you sound like someone who's already learnt how to reduce the severity of their acne through diet. I hope this can help you! I take my dose of probiotics every day. Perhaps I could afford to only take it every other day, but I don't want to risk losing progress. Regarding the apple juice during the fasting period, I haven't heard that personally. But I do know that apples are considered one of the safest foods to eat during an elimination diet (whereby you eliminate foods to discover which ones cause new acne), so I don't think it could do any harm. And a bit of fructose will help prevent fatigue if you have to work whilst fasting. Also, I'm not sure about this, but I believe that my regimen has aided my liver function. My reason for thinking this is that I don't experience the kind of stinking hangovers that I ever used to. And when I drink, I really binge drink :eek:

[COLOR=Magenta]lampwick[/COLOR], that's a good question. I myself am quite "skinny". However, I didn't use to be - I weighed 2-3 more stone in my early teens than I do nowadays (I'm 22 now). I believe that I did most of the damage to my digestive system during that period when I mostly ate junk food (and [I]way[/I] too much of it) and offered suffered constipation as a result. But if you've always been skinny and always had regular bowel movements then perhaps this regimen won't be as useful to you as it has been to me. If I wanted to offer you some hope, I could hypothesise that your regular bowel movements might be at the expense of "clean" digestion (as [COLOR=Magenta]primo1[/COLOR] eludes to), but there's absolutely no scientific backing to that :( I'm afraid it's up to you to find out whether or not that is the case. Good luck ;) By the way, I think the thread "ACNE: The New Theory" may help you.

[COLOR=Magenta]Ngfan4lyfe[/COLOR], please check out the rest of the thread when you've got the time. It's boring for other people to have to re-read the same information over and over again :nono: The answer to your first question is on Post 1 of the thread. Regarding a liver cleanse, why don't you search for some information yourself and report back? Take it easy ;)

Well done on finding the [COLOR=RoyalBlue]Lactobacillus casei[/COLOR], [COLOR=Magenta]midnightdoom1[/COLOR]! I hope you can get started properly now :)

[COLOR=Magenta]soupyhead[/COLOR], it's only really myself, [COLOR=Magenta]dfwgoodguy[/COLOR] and [COLOR=Magenta]littledaga[/COLOR] who have really experienced any success with this kind of regimen so far (check out the early pages). But I haven't heard from anybody who [I]hasn't[/I] experienced success with such a regimen. It's up to you whether or not you give this a shot, but if you do please report back with your findings!... LOL, So I read on and see that you've taken the plunge! That's cool :cool: You might as well go ahead without the Yakult. But if you can find an alternative probiotic (specifically [COLOR=RoyalBlue]Lactobacillus casei[/COLOR], since we seem to have established that it's the best strain for this job) then I believe it will help you further. And regarding the [COLOR=RoyalBlue]Charcoal[/COLOR], I know what you mean! But when you feel the effects it has on your insides you will learn to love it!

[COLOR=Magenta]Constant[/COLOR], what's Phion Cleanz? And please describe the taste of death :D I imagine it's something like eating the contents of the capsules I take - that's why they're in capsule form! By the way, I remember you talking about Dr. Natura Colonix. Did you get this? What have you got to report? Thank you!

[COLOR=Magenta]SweetJade1[/COLOR], I'm so glad you have contributed. However, it's late and I'm going to have to save my reply to you 'til tomorrow when I can better understand your wisdom :angel:

Thank you everyone for your questions and input! As always I wish you all the best of luck - you don't have to live with acne and you will beat it! [COLOR=Magenta]EV[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT]
[FONT=Comic Sans MS][COLOR=DarkOrchid][B]Hey All[/B] :wave: I have been on holiday but I am back now and ready to answer everyone's questions!

Hello [COLOR=Magenta]Diggler[/COLOR] :) Sorry to take so long to reply. The mucoid plaque (as you rightly call it) that I first passed was approximately 20cm long and darky brown/green in colour with black bits. To me it looked like thick seaweed. I found that I passed smaller ones for up to a month after the first one (which came out after the initial fast). Nowadays my stool often takes on the form of small balls. I don't know if this means there are stones being passed, but it could be an indication.

I felt the benefits of my regimen straight away. Unlike most other unfortunate people here I didn't feel ill from fasting, and when I passed that first mucoid plaque I felt different. It's difficult to describe but I just felt cleaner inside. And then my stool started coming out cleaner in general and I realised that something fundamental had changed. And it wasn't long before I started to see the effects that this change had on my skin.

With regards to my consumption of dairy produce, I eat cheese, cream and derivatives such as milk chocolate. I don't drink milk or have it on cereal though.

Hi [COLOR=Magenta]citygirl23[/COLOR] :cool: I'm sorry to hear that you have been experiencing sickness. To be honest I haven't experienced a persistent sore throat or lightheadedness whilst on my regimen. That sounds like a common cold more than anything. As I have said to others, even if you have your doubts I implore you to stay the course with this to see what happens in the long run. You might as well stay on the birth control as well. If you have any more questions please ask!

[COLOR=Magenta]SweetJade1[/COLOR], I have been taking the pills every day at the quantities shown on Page 1. I have been beginning to wonder if it is necessary for me any more. I no longer suffer any kind of spots that I would call "acne". I get the odd tiny pimple but only when I neglect to cleanse and tone my skin properly or if I eat a load of junk food. I don't want my body to get used to the supplements if that means they will become less effective so I might consider lowering the dose or having one week on, one week off. I will have to think about it.

Hey [COLOR=Magenta]Miranda005[/COLOR] :wave: I hope I can help you. I myslef have fairly oily skin. My regimen won't do much to change this. But it will make internal changes that will mean that the excess oil won't be a problem any more. And you'll still have naturally oily skin which won't age as quickly as the drier skin of other people :) Anyway, like you I eat quite regularly and don't put on much weight. I also cite myself as having fast metabolism. Kudos to you for eating sensible foods - it will stand you in good stead for your later years. But it might not necessarily help your skin until you wipe the slate clean i.e. clean out your digestive system.

[COLOR=RoyalBlue]Lipodec[/COLOR] looks like a fairly sensible product, although I think you're probably getting enough of the nutrients found in those ingredients in your diet anyway. [COLOR=RoyalBlue]Zinc[/COLOR] is considered very useful in sustaining healthy skin - you might as well stick with it at that quantity. The [COLOR=RoyalBlue]B-complex[/COLOR] may be not be very useful since it is only [COLOR=RoyalBlue]B5[/COLOR] ([COLOR=RoyalBlue]Pantothenic Acid[/COLOR]) that is associated with cutting down sebum (oil) production and even then you have to mega dose on it to see noticeable results. I've never heard of it before, but Acuzine looks to me like it's mainly just [COLOR=RoyalBlue]Vitamin E[/COLOR] which is often said to help acne-prone skin. You may just be paying for some glorified [COLOR=RoyalBlue]Vitamin E[/COLOR] but I don't really know.

[COLOR=Magenta]littledaga[/COLOR] and [COLOR=Magenta]Anonym0us[/COLOR], I'm so happy to hear that you're experiencing success with your skin. Long may it continue :angel: [COLOR=Magenta]littledaga[/COLOR] I'm glad to hear that you're ringing the changes in other areas too. It is important to complement digestive cleansing with a non-burdening diet and regular exercise. I am sure you will experience an increase in energy in response to all of these modifications to your lifestyle. If things keep going well [I]please[/I] let everyone else know about it to encourage them to make similar changes! Thank you ;)

[COLOR=Magenta]Trinity45[/COLOR], I guess if you are sensitive to cleanses then you might want to stick with your existing regimen. But an initial break out is simply that - initial. Once you get through that period you will come out clearer in the long run in my experience. The break out is a sign that toxins are being expelled.

[COLOR=Magenta]serafine[/COLOR], I'm sorry to hear your story :( I used to suffer eczema as a child and it's horrible and it can be brought on by a multitude of factors (including certain types of washing powder, for instance). I am glad you haven't suffered financially though. I really hope you will soon find an alternative regimen that yields results for you. Dietary changes will go a long way to helping you if you are committed :)

[COLOR=Magenta]omega47[/COLOR], you can take the Yakult after the fast but it's probably too late to tell you now. Sorry :( Don't worry if you broke your fast early. You should still see some results. There's no rush - if you take the supplements for a while you will pass some mucoid plaque sooner rather than later.

[COLOR=Magenta]tata77[/COLOR], I'm sorry to hear that you missed dinner! That's great dedication. Isn't it sad when you realise how addicted to food we are (bearing in mind most of us eat [I]way[/I] more than we need). You are doing everything correct. This isn't an exact science though. As I just told [COLOR=Magenta]omega47[/COLOR], your stool will look different sooner rather than later. I guess it just varies from person to person.

Hi [COLOR=Magenta]goldenseal[/COLOR]. Props for cutting out sugar/dairy; it takes strong willpower. There are alternatives but you want to find something with [COLOR=RoyalBlue]Lactobacillus casei[/COLOR] in it.[/COLOR][/FONT]
Hey Erimus, I was wondering what you thought and you will probably agree with me. Right now I am on accutane 60 mgs a day once a day. I have been wanting to do a cleanse since before Accutane and never got around to doing it and I am definitely going to do that along with Green Tea after I finish accutane and continue to drink tea after wards. On accutane I basically have not really been using any supplements and don't plan to because out of fear that it will " mess " with the treatment or the drug in general. I saw a product when I used to work at a vitamin store called daily cleanse with psyllium husk and other digestive things that looked very good and I will definitely get it after a couple weeks of finishing the accutane however I would like to know if you think it is detirimental to do it now seeing as how it would probably clean out the accutane from my system also thereby making the drug pointless. That is what I think tell me what you think. Accutane will probably work for me but more than likely my digestive system is messed up due to junk food and G-d knows what else has gone into my system. I am thinking about eating more Fiber. Recomend something for me in the natural fiber area to move my bowel movements more often and NO i am not constipated. Thanks!!!
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This post has given me alot of hope of maybe getting truely clear skin. I've beaten 90% of my acne with a clean diet, but that last 10% has been driving me crazy. Its like a plateau of trying to clear your skin, rather than losing weight. I'd looked into liver flushes, but to be honest, they scare the hell out of me. I've had activated charcoal just sitting in my bathroom for the past year because it helps with indigestion, but I never realised that I could use it for my skin. I just got a bottle of GNC Psyllium Seed today, and I haven't eaten since 8:00 pm CT last night. I thought I'd be starved, but I didn't really start getting hungry til around now. I've been drinking cold lemon water, and green tea, and it takes the edge off the hunger.

I'll keep you guys updated on how it goes.
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Hi ErimusValidus

I'm 17 and have Acne, I'm willing to give this a try as I'm quite desprate to get rid of acne. I have already bought Psyllium Husks 500mg, Activated Charcoal 260mg and will get some Yakult from the supermarket tommorow.

Few questions first though if you don't mind...

1, The fasting how many times should I do this weekly daily monthly?

2, Can I eat normal foods aslong as the intake are low carbs?

3, Washing my face with Clean and Clear and using Retin A and Epiermx - Not sure on spelling, will that have any effect or annoy the cleansing system?

4, I'm quite active each day as I work 6 days a week will this be good or bad for the cleansing system?

5, I noticed on one of the products you stated Psyllium Husks 500mg, Activated Charcoal 260mg, shouldn't be taken until atleast 1 hour after or before you have something to eat?

6, I'm willing to commit myself to do this and would be more than welcomed to keep you up to date along with others, I also have my parents supporting the idea too.

Thanks hope to hear from you soon. =)
[QUOTE=eldergod]Hi ErimusValidus
1, The fasting how many times should I do this weekly daily monthly?
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While I think EV suggested an initial fast, I suggest you don't need to completely fast. Just eliminate the bad foods from your diet. This includes all fast foods, processed foods, dairy (rice milk should be ok), coffee, alcohol, commercial dressing, corn syrup, bread, and limiting rice and cereal.

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2, Can I eat normal foods aslong as the intake are low carbs?
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Try and keep your diet natural, hormone-free, and organic if possible. Don't eat out at all.

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3, Washing my face with Clean and Clear and using Retin A and Epiermx - Not sure on spelling, will that have any effect or annoy the cleansing system?
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I would stop all topicals if I were you. I'm not a big fan of them. I've had cysts just gradually disapper without even leaving a scar based on my cleansing/detoxing regimens. Haven't put a single topical on my face.

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4, I'm quite active each day as I work 6 days a week will this be good or bad for the cleansing system?
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This is GOOD! Sweating helps the detoxing process as it releases toxins from our body. ^_^

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5, I noticed on one of the products you stated Psyllium Husks 500mg, Activated Charcoal 260mg, shouldn't be taken until atleast 1 hour after or before you have something to eat?
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At least 1 hour before or after, preferably in an empty stomach. So first thing in da morning or last thing at night is the best time.

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6, I'm willing to commit myself to do this and would be more than welcomed to keep you up to date along with others, I also have my parents supporting the idea too.
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Ok, and I also highly suggest you do some other research on the benefits of the detoxing processs, and not solely rely on us.
[FONT=Comic Sans MS][COLOR=DarkOrchid]Hi guys,

First, let's set the record straight: I'm a (22 year-old) guy! Maybe you were deceived by my choice of colour scheme, [COLOR=Magenta]tata77[/COLOR]! How's it going, by the way? :)

Hello, [COLOR=Magenta]Abbath[/COLOR] :cool: [COLOR=RoyalBlue]Primadophilus[/COLOR] doesn't contain the same culture of probiotics as [COLOR=RoyalBlue]Yakult[/COLOR], but the general concensus on this thread has so far been that any probiotic will aid the cleansing process and promote a healthier digestive system. I wouldn't worry too much about the specifics!

Hi there, [COLOR=Magenta]acnefreedom7[/COLOR] :wave: Thanks for your advice. The temptation for me has been to inform people of the potential benefits to this regimen and to turn a blind eye to any potential negative aspects. I haven't fully researched the nature of [COLOR=RoyalBlue]Activated Charcoal[/COLOR] in terms of what it absorbs, but I suppose it is equally likely to absorb nutrients as it is to absorb toxins. In light of this, my advice to people would be to consume a regular high quantity of nutrient-rich foods, principally vegetables. I am lucky that I actually [I]like[/I] vegetables, but even if you don't, I recommend that everyone gets their five portions of fruit or vegetables a day. Your skin will thank you for it!

Hello again, [COLOR=Magenta]vintagedream[/COLOR]! Don't worry, I will check these boards regularly to see what's going on :) Okay, if you're constipated then you should probably feel optimistic with respect to your skin about the prospect of a cleanse. The theory goes that if there's a build up of waste in your system then it is manifesting its effects on your skin. It sounds unlikely that your acne is primarily hormonal since it has only really affected you in the last couple of years into your twenties. So take heart and have some confidence. I do fully appreciate your plight, believe me. Us blokes get hung up about our appearance, too, you know!

You're absolutely correct about topical solutions: they are only short-term. Acne is partly caused by bacteria, yes, and when you attack that bacteria with anti-biotics (in the form of creams or pills), it will cease to cause acne for a while. But eventually it develops an immunity to the anti-biotic and returns with a vengeance :( I wish doctors would recognise this instead of handing out anti-biotics to acne sufferers like sweets, because they cause more harm than good in the long run. That's not to say that regular use of a [I]gentle[/I] cleanser, toner and moisturiser should be forgone (thankfully girls seem to realise this already!). Keeping the pores clean on the outside is definitely part of the battle.

Regarding the initial breakout, I really wouldn't worry too much. You'll only be eliminating toxins that would have to be removed at some point anyway. What the clease achieves is to level the playing field for your digestive system, aiding its function of removing toxins. So there will most likely be some new acne as a result of the cleanse but it's worth it in the long term and it won't be horrendous. Some people on here didn't experience it at all. I make any promises, basically. But good luck ;)

Many thanks for the update, [COLOR=Magenta]Anonym0us[/COLOR]! I'm so glad it's still going well for you. I don't expect plaudits for accidentally coming across a regimen that has helped me, but it makes me feel great to know that I have helped others. It makes me feel that the seven years I battled with acne weren't suffered in vain.[/COLOR][/FONT]
[QUOTE=ErimusValidus][FONT=Comic Sans MS][COLOR=DarkOrchid]That's not to say that regular use of a [I]gentle[/I] cleanser, toner and moisturiser should be forgone (thankfully girls seem to realise this already!). Keeping the pores clean on the outside is definitely part of the battle.[/COLOR][/FONT][/QUOTE]
i do know this, and i'm currently in search for a [I]gentle[/I] cleanser, and toner. i don't really like the sound of a moisturiser since my skin is so oily already... putting moisturizer feels like i'm just adding more oil. :D

i haven't read the rules of posting here... but if it's allowed, can i just ask for suggestions or what do you use on your face externally EV? :) if it's not allowed to ask questions like that here, just don't answer. :nono: :D

...anyway, just clarifications...

i start the whole process by a 3-day fast, right? and then on the fourth day, can i eat again?

exactly how long (days, weeks) do i have to take the psyllium husks and activated charcoal? i hear you could develop dependencies on this stuff. when do i stop taking them?

yakult poses no problems, since i love the product and have been using it ever since i was a kid. :rolleyes:

also... a doctor once told me, that when you don't eat anything, chances are, you won't have anything to eliminate too... meaning you won't have bowel movements at all when you fast... and i was hoping cleansing my system would promote regularity in my bowel movements. :confused: just clarify this a little for me pls. :D thanks!

i'll look forward to your reply EV. take care! :wave:
hi EV! :wave: i'm from the Philippines. it's a very hot country. :p

anyway... thanks for replying so soon...

[QUOTE=ErimusValidus][FONT=Comic Sans MS][COLOR=DarkOrchid]Regarding the rest of my skincare routine, in the morning I exfoliate with [COLOR=RoyalBlue]Johnson & Johnson Clean & Clear Exfoliating Daily Wash [/COLOR] which is a gentle exfoliant to give that feeling of removing any grease and dirt from the pores. [/COLOR] [/FONT][/QUOTE]
I've researched on Johnson & Johnson Clean & Clear Exfoliating Daily Wash, and i found it has the following ingredients:

Aqua, propylene Glycol, Sodium laureth sulfate, cocamidopropyl betaine, polyethylene, disodium lauroamphodiacetate, hamamelis virginiana, lauryl methyl gluceth - 10 hydroxypropyl-dimonium chloride, farnesol, glycol distearate, glycerin, laureth-4, sodium carbomer, tetrasodium EDTA, PEG-120 methyl glucose dioleate, parfum, lactic acid....

Studies have shown that propylene glycol and sodium laureth sulfate, are toxic... and these are poisons that can get into your body. :confused: but hey, if it works for you... you're lucky. :p

As for me, i really want to find a [COLOR=RoyalBlue]natural[/COLOR] mild cleanser, that would clean my face and not cause me to breakout. i'm currently using Aubrey Organic's Natural Herbal Facial Cleanser and Astringent, but i've only been using it for 5 days, so i can't say for sure yet how it's going to help me.

[QUOTE=ErimusValidus][FONT=Comic Sans MS][COLOR=DarkOrchid]Concerning the fast, I only suggest 24 hours, accompanied by taking double the dosage of supplements, as outlined on the first post of this thread. That should allow your system to purge itself of the initial backlog of waste that's causing problems. [/COLOR] [/FONT][/QUOTE]

can i eat apples on the first day? ;) on the 2nd day, i can go back to eating normally again?

uhm, EV... can you personally assure me that if i take on this regimen, it won't actually make my acne worse and beyond control? :D that's just what i'm really afraid of right now... sorry, am i too apprehensive? :D

take care... :wave:

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how did you get rid of the existing red marks from acne that healed?
[FONT=Comic Sans MS][COLOR=DarkOrchid]Hey [COLOR=Magenta]vintagedream[/COLOR] :) It's still Friday evening for me for ten more minutes! And it doesn't look like my personal, i.e. girl, problems are going to be solved by morning :D

Anyway... yeah, there is concern that you will be depleting your body of nutrients whilst attempting to absorb toxins. The truth is, I can't quantify to what extent this occurs and I can only suggest that you ensure that you consume sufficient sources of nutrients to compensate for this.

Concerning your fast - when I first made the link between diet and acne I tried fasting. I went without food for three days and I was elated with the positive results evident on my face. All active acne cleared up by the third day as though it had simply been switched it off. Great! Except that I had to eat by day four.

Next I realised that carbohydrate was the biggest cause of new acne and tried cutting back on all sources. But it was too difficult with the active lifestyle that I lead. I was depressed that I knew how to control my acne but that I didn't have the willpower to succeed down that avenue.

It was only when I purged my system of the junk that had accumulated down the years that I realised my goal: I could eat what I liked (within reason) and there were no longer any immediate side-effects on my skin. The point is, until you get that backlog of rubbish out of your system, it is fighting an uphill battle to burn off the fuel that you feed it in a clean manner.[/COLOR][/FONT]





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