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hey everyone, ive experienced a similiar situation as i was on b5 for nine months before noticing any hairloss. this was about 1.5 years ago when i was 18 - i'm now 20 and have been off b5 for at least 9 months now (though i was taking pantethine for 6 of those 9 months - i thought maybe it wouldnt cause hairloss..and of course i was wrong).
at one point, i came across an exchange between memnoch and artlan on healthboards about methionine and cysteine and thus decided to supplement methionine two to three times a day..since its the precursor to cysteine and all. along with the panethine and methio,i was also taking b complex and biotin. at the start of this supplementation i could already see my scalp in various places, and was not able to gel my hair 'efficiently' - i had verrry thick hair previous to all of this craziness. and so i followed this regimen for a month or so, during which much of my attention was focused on a family tragedy, summer school, and a relationship issue - some deep shite..so i really havent thought much of it until now. in retrospect, i am confident that the methionine helped with my hair thickness immensely. this was five months ago and i have since quit methionine supplementation - although my scalp is no longer visible, mild hair loss has since ensued. my hair isnt a priority at the moment though, as my skin has returned to its pre-b5 days since i have completely stopped pantethine supplementation as well.
so really, im curious if youve ever tried methionine, NAC, or cysteine. i imagine that i actually regained some of my hair thickness and did not experience a floozy, and would like to see others' input on this matter. an interesting side effect of the methionine was an increase in erection frequency and intensity (teehee) and increase in lean muscle mass alongside mild calisthenics. i know that methionine is most abundant in animal meats and eggs, and that vegetarians are recommended to supplement their diet with it. ive also read of some vegans experiencing hairloss - perhaps their diets void of methionine have expressed this.
and so perhaps those of us with b5 hairloss have an imbalance in methionine/cysteine levels. cysteine and panethine/b5 are the precursors to COA, and while supplementation with b5 will initially push 'excess fat metabolism' into overdrive, our methionine/cysteine levels will eventually fall, causing hairloss for some. brewers yeast also seems like it would help since it contains many essential amino acids that compose the hair.
i have yet to try the b5/methio combo as im having some success with natural remedies - i probably will resort to it however..these pimples, however infrequent, add up man! i also suggest to anyone, especially those with b5 hairloss, to do a a liver flush. i am under the impression that b5, although it cleared me up 100%, caused some form of bile congestion (you can check this yourself - if your stool is unusually light, your liver/gallbladder are either not producing enough bile or the bile ducts are somewhat blocked). it hasnt helped my acne too much, but my complexion is splendtacular.
this post may be a bit long..hopefully some of the info will prove useful. good luck all!
Hey Oizo!

Thank you for taking the time to write and share your experience with us.

I want to clarify a few things...I hope you don't mind. You mentioned that hair loss ensued during the 9th month of you taking pantethine and than you added methionine into your regimen. Did the hair loss stop AND you regrew the hair that you lost.......or the hair was still falling out, yet the quality of the existing hair improved and became thicker? How long did it take you to see results while supplementing on methionine?

I know you mentioned you took methionine two to three times a day, what brand and dose were you taking?

As far as I am concerned, I haven't given methionine, NAC or cysteine a real chance, just because I didn't want to supplement my body without knowing whether this would truly help, I felt too guilty enough for destroying my health with Pantothenic Acid.

You are mentioning some very interesting theories...I am willing to give methionine another chance since it has helped you but I want to know the degree that it has helped you with first.

It is interesting that you mention that your acne has came back...My acne has subsided, not 100% but much better, it seems like I have more white heads/ black heads than ever before though.

Have you done a liver flush? I read about it, but I am reluctant to do it.

Sorry for the long post...

P.S: I hope all is settled down with your family, school and relationship.
hey dude, glad to see you responded so quickly. i tried to pm you but have insufficient access..perhaps bc i just signed up. hopefully the topic starter will check back soon as well..

to clarify, i was on pantothenic acid for nine months and had to stop due to hair loss. i then picked up pantethine at 900mg/day, thinking my hairloss would stop, and it didnt. it slowed a bit, but this was probably due to the fact that i wasnt taking enough panethine to equal the b5 i was on previously. after six months of being on pantethine, i then started the methionine at 3 pills a day..the equivalent of 1.5g. the brand is now, and each pill also comes with b6 in the form of pyridoxine..i believe it helps with absorbability. when i buy more methionine im going to switch to a brand without any b6 as i know too much of the vitamin can aggravate acne.

as for the quality of my hair while on methio, all i can say is it seemed to work really fast - im sure you would notice a difference in two to three weeks max. keep in mind i only used methionine for a month and could no longer see my scalp after that. while on b5 and pantethine, the actual girth of the hairs falling out seemed to actually decrease. this reversed with methionine. the number of hairs falling out in the shower decreased to maybe 2 as compared with upwards of 10. i seemed to be growing newer, stronger hair as well. i encourage you to research the methionine/b5 and coenzyme deal. i would provide a link but if im correct, thats not allowed on healthboards?

ive done three liver flushes so far, another one planned next month. i only passed a few 'stones' the last time compared with at least a hundred the first two times, putting away any doubt i had that the flush was only a biochemical reaction of the olive oil, grapefruit juice, and epsom salts. after each one ive noticed my complexion improving and being able to sleep much more soundly. PLUS, my stool became dark again!! hell yes! haha no but really, darker stool means better bile flow and i believe bile flow is important in the liver's ability to efficiently flush used hormones, toxins, etc. my skin is actually better than pre-b5..it seems to be producing less oil..but still not where i want it to be. my healthier diet and those liver flushes have helped..and hopefully/maybe im just growing out of it. we'll see i guess.

im thinking of going on b5 again but the last time i tried, my body went through a general malaise like it didnt want anything to do with it. dry eyes, dusty complexion, just an overall sense of crapness. anyway, let me know what you all think, how it goes, etc.
This is some very valuable information Oizo...thanks again for sharing!

I am going to get the methionine supplement tomorrow and we will see if it improves my hair whatsoever....I really hope it does. When you stopped taking methionine...did you hair loss increase back to its pace?

How do you go about doing a liver flush? Is the process painfull?

Thanks again!
it took about three months for my hair to begin shedding at the rate it had been prior to methionine. that began around this month. i started methionine supplementation again last night, so ill let you know if what i said is anywhere near correct.

basically, liverflushing involves the use of epsom salts to relax the bile ducts, and then ingesting an olive oil/grapefruit juice concoction to expel any cholesterol stones blocking the ductways. it is not painful at all, but uncomfortable....quite. you would need to set aside a day and half for the process. ********.com is an excellent resource on liverflushing.

well, g'luck huh
[QUOTE=oizo]it took about three months for my hair to begin shedding at the rate it had been prior to methionine. that began around this month. i started methionine supplementation again last night, so ill let you know if what i said is anywhere near correct.

basically, liverflushing involves the use of epsom salts to relax the bile ducts, and then ingesting an olive oil/grapefruit juice concoction to expel any cholesterol stones blocking the ductways. it is not painful at all, but uncomfortable....quite. you would need to set aside a day and half for the process. ********.com is an excellent resource on liverflushing.

well, g'luck huh[/QUOTE]

I just started looking into liver flushing again and there seems to be soooo much information lol....would you mind posting your regimen here? I presume you get all the ingredients from your local healthstore....

Thanks a lot!
as for the methionine, its been 1.5 days since i began re-supplementing, and my hairs already thicker and livelier, as i expected. hopefully the same will apply to everyone else. artlan, itd be cool if you could pass the word on, as i'm registered only here and at acne,0rg. i know a lot of people are looking for a 'cure'.

so i suspect methionine to be an amino acid that depletes very slowly yet shows in full effect when the body's stores have run empty. methionine is turned into cysteine, an actual COMPONENT of hair itself, and is NOT produced by the body and thus some people have been experiencing hair loss even years after b5. the amount one would receive in the normal US carnivorous diet (through meat, eggs, fish, dairy, and some in wheat) would still not be enough to balance the amount lost due to upped coenzyme-a activity through b5 supplementation. some people experience hairloss two to three years after becoming vegan bc of their low methionine diets and if you compare the b5 diet with a vegan diet and the time it takes to begin losing hair for each, it starts to make sense. 5g/day has been used to treat diseases such as parkinsons, but i would suggest 1.5g only. that alone thickened my hair in a matter of days. some form of essential amino acid supplementacione would also be helpful at this point.

once again, good luck and may your scalps sprout wonderful things.
and much respect to memnoch for sparking my 'research'.
WOW, i may have to go back on some of my statements, as ive been reading through more posts on healthboards regarding methionine and methylation and the evidence suggests that methionine should be cycled and not taken every day. i really suggest anyone who has encountered b5 hair loss to read the 'ACNE: The New Theory' topic. there are at least 35 pages and i am only halfway through. i'm already seeing a connection between coenzyme a, methylation, and histadelia at this point. i shall update more when i actually finish reading through. peace!
Hey Oizo! :wave:

I'll certainly pass on the word regarding Methionine to our fellow sufferers.

It is interesting that you and memnoch mentioned that supplementing with Pantothenic Acid in large amounts depletes Methionine which is needed to create and form Cysteine which is the main amino acid in the hair.

I only found L-Methionine with Vitamin B6 that is made by NOW (I think you were taking the same brand), can't wait to get it started. I wonder though, why and how does Pantothenic Acid deplete the storage of Methonine? I know you mentioned in a previous reply that you have found some research on the net, but couldn't provide a link...may I bother you to copy and paste some of the information on that site?

As I begin this treatment I am hoping that the lost hair will regrow, that my current hair will be thicker, livelier and fuller. I will use this thread to report on the progress I've made or haven't made.

Thanks for taking the time to write and to try and help all of us sufferers. If you stumble across anything else, L-Methionine stops working for you, or you develop side effects, let me know ASAP, I'll pass it on.

Thanks for inquiring Oizo :bouncing:
[QUOTE=oizo]WOW, i may have to go back on some of my statements, as ive been reading through more posts on healthboards regarding methionine and methylation and the evidence suggests that methionine should be cycled and not taken every day. i really suggest anyone who has encountered b5 hair loss to read the 'ACNE: The New Theory' topic. there are at least 35 pages and i am only halfway through. i'm already seeing a connection between coenzyme a, methylation, and histadelia at this point. i shall update more when i actually finish reading through. peace![/QUOTE]

Good investigative work buddy!

I started reading that thread as well..........soooo much information LOL....let us know what you came up with...Due to exams I don't have much time to read all the 35 pages....

Perhaps it would be better to take L-Cysteine instead of Methionine than?
take n-acetyl cysteine (NAC). l-cysteine is quite unstable, and nac is converted by the body into cysteine anyway. i was initially under the impression that methionine would prove more efficient than methio according to memnoch, but it can actually be metabolized and cycled into other not-so-good-when-theres-alot-ofit-in-your-blood metabolites. i still believe methionine is good for hair loss, but prolonged dosage inevitably results in elevated homocysteine levels in tissues/blood, aka hyperhomocysteinemia. this condition has been linked to alzheimers, heart disease, dementia, and general brain degeneration - aging!. i could literally write pages, but these are the results ive come to, and thats whats important right now i guess..and plus im bloody tired. i urge all to research my findings and take my advice with some doubt. obviously i have more research to do, but these past few hours have been quite enlightening nonetheless. refer to pages 3-10 (esp page 10) in the previously mentioned topic for some great info, and research the methylation/remethylation connection between homocysteine, cysteine, methionine, and sam-e if you really wanna know whats up. try to stay below 2g of NAC/day (~3 caps/day) and supplement with other essential amino acids to 'tie up any loose ends', namsayn.

i have much much more to say but ill save some for later...or something.
I too am experiencing hairloss on B5. It realy started about a month after I finished my course of accutane but I'm sure that the B5 has made it worse. I've been on B5 for about 8 months and now I'm almost bald. I made sure I took plenty of biotin and a B-complex the whole time.

I purchased some methionine today hoping that my hair may grow back. Oizo, you say that a person shouldn't use methionine everyday so how often do you think I should take it.
[QUOTE=oizo]my hair was still dry and lifeless, as erimus described, while on methionine over the summer.[/QUOTE]

[FONT=Comic Sans MS][COLOR=DarkOrchid]Yeah, [COLOR=Magenta]oizo[/COLOR], my hair basically doesn't retain moisture like it used to :( I really hope the NAC gives it back some natural oiliness! I should be buying it this lunch time hopefully :)

EDIT: Bought it now! 7.49 for 30 x 600mg, though :eek:[/COLOR][/FONT]





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