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Hi all,
Great discussion here. I agree with most of this, but there are a few things I'd like to clarify.

[B]1)[/B] A "Diet" is what you consume on a daily basis, so perhaps what some, I know I do, don't believe in are temporary, short-term or "Fad Diets"?

[B]2) [/B] Carbohydrates are "Sugars", Starches, & Fibers and as such include:
A) Sugar/Sucrose, Glucose/Dextrose, Honey, Brown Rice Syrup (among several other types of sugars)
B) Vegetables
C) Fruits
D) Grains
E) Legumes
F) Nuts
G) Seeds

Most acne sufferers and people in general should do well on a Low - Moderate Carbohydrate Diet (I Mod-Carb it). The goal on these diets is to eat more complex carbohydrates (for the increased fiber & nutrients), but if you pay attention to the [B]Insulin Index [/B] vs. the Glycemic Index or Glycemic Load you will find that some complex carbs raise insulin levels more than expected. On the other hand, there are also foods that don't stimulate as much insulin and/or are low on the glycemic index and people still have problems with them. Therefore, some acne sufferers will find that it's not always just about the sugar or insulin, but some other property of a food (antigenic protein, trans fat, etc) that induces a reaction (acne) in them.

[B]3)[/B] Dairy products are avoided because they are highly Insulinotropic or insulin stimulating. Skim Milk is the worst of them due to it's extra Whey Proten content. (Certain) Proteins have the ability to raise "insulin" by increasing IGF-1 (10x as potent as insulin). IGF-1 is largely involved in anabolic or building structures in the body such as muscles, cells, skin cells, oil glands, etc. Know what accutane does? It lowers our IGF-1 content as well as a few other things that we are fully capable of doing if we can just figure out the "right" diet for ourselves as [U]individuals[/U]. (Organic) Fermented Dairy products may work, but make sure it doesn't contain any added sweeteners.

[B]4)[/B] The theory behind following a low or moderate carbohydrate diet is to LOWER our insulin production. Insulin & Testosterone go hand in hand, they are anabolic hormones. So if you have High Free Testosterone levels, chances are you also have HIGH Insulin Levels, but it could also be due to another hormonal disorder that's indirectly related to Glucose Intolerance. Therefore, Metaformin/Glucophage works by [U]reducing[/U] the amount of Insulin secreted by the pancreas.

[B]5) [/B] These diets don't just lower testosterone hormones, they also lower estrogen hormones for those that are "estrogen dominant" or are experiencing Andropause (male menopause). Therefore what these diets do is basically try to correct whatever your particular imbalance may be, whether it is to balance your hormones, reduce inflammation, prevent hyperproliferation (think cancer), reduce hyperkeritnization (think clogged pores), etc. The more personally tailored to [U]you[/U] your diet is, the better your results.


[B]6) [/B] Ask any body builder and they will tell ya that they Carb Load (High carb meals) drink Whey Shakes, take Aromatase inhibitors (reduces estrogen & increases Free Testosterone), etc in order to boost Insulin and/or Testosterone production. So this is one way that you can increase these hormones via working out. Another way is to do lots of heavy lifting, really quickly, for short periods of time so that your body is in an Anaerobic State.

Now if you are in an [B]Aerobic State[/B], moderate to vigorous exercise at a less agressive pace for longer periods of time, will help your cells respond better to insulin, thus less insulin is secreted. Futhermore, it will also help reduce certain inflammatory products. Aside from taking Omega 3s, R-ALA, [U]vigorous exericising[/U] is supposed one of the best ways to help acne sufferers "cheat". However you must eat your "cheat food" and then exercise immediately after to prevent a break out, otherwise it will occur.


[B]7)[/B] Yes, sexual activity is a form of exercise and stress release and as such is just as good as exercise. Most people and most acne sufferers find that they don't break out from sexual activity, but some do. If you are one of these individuals it may be due to one or more of the following:

Zinc defficiency
Aromatase defficiency
Excess inflammatory products
Weak detoxification system.

Altering your diet will help reduce the excess inflammatory products and aromatase defficiency and adding Zinc Sulfate/Gluconate/Monomethione should help if low in zinc. Also taking other anti-inflammatories such as antioxidant rich teas, B5 or Pantethine, Omega 3s, R-ALA, Niacan, Guggul, Boswellia, Zinc, among others can help reduce inflammation as well as increase detoxification. Or you can try doing liver flushes, candida cleanses, bowel cleanses etc (do a search on the board) for more indepth detoxing.

[B]8)[/B] You can be underweight or overweight and still have Glucose Intolerance problems. When you are [U]overweight[/U] it is because your body is [U]unable[/U] to get the energy it needs from glucose, hence Insulin Resistance/Hyperinsulinism, and so you continue to eat more and more in hopes of getting that energy. However, what happens is that because you are unable to metabolize glucose effectively, BUT are able to produce lots of Insulin (unlike a Type I Diabetic) glucose is stored as Cholesterol or more body fat instead. For those that are [U]underweight[/U] it is the along the same lines, only our excess fat or cholesterol turns into excess hormones and inflammatory products.


[B]9) [/B] Wanna know if you are Glucose Intolerant, especially Insulin Resistant (IR)? Well if one or more of the following are true, it's likely that you are or at risk:

Going through Puberty? (IR is temporary)
Had Precocious Puberty (started at age 8 or younger)
Born Premature?
Born small for Gestational Age?
Born of low birth weight?
Passive/Second Hand Smoker? (raised in a smoking household)
Mother smoked while pregnant with you?
You smoke?
Family history of Type II Diabetes?
Have excess abdominal fat?
Have Acanthosis Nigricans (99% of people with IR have this)?
Lead a sedentary lifestyle?
Eat a diet void of nutrients, low in (soluble fiber) and high in (trans) fat?


Of course, everyone is different and not everyone has problems with sugars or starches, but there may be some other food that is a problem for which you will have to investigate what that food could possibly be. Also, we can't avoid a food just because it raises insulin, IGF-1, etc as all foods do. Yet we can try to reduce/avoid foods that raise these hormones, growth factors, and inflammatory products the [U]most signficantly [/U] compared to other foods.

Best wishes :)
[QUOTE=SweetJade1]Hi all,
Great discussion here. I agree with most of this, but there are a few things I'd like to clarify.

[B]1)[/B] A "Diet" is what you consume on a daily basis, so perhaps what some, I know I do, don't believe in are temporary, short-term or "Fad Diets"?

[B]2) [/B] Carbohydrates are "Sugars", Starches, & Fibers and as such include:
A) Sugar/Sucrose, Glucose/Dextrose, Honey, Brown Rice Syrup (among several other types of sugars)
B) Vegetables
C) Fruits
D) Grains
E) Legumes
F) Nuts
G) Seeds

Most acne sufferers and people in general should do well on a Low - Moderate Carbohydrate Diet (I Mod-Carb it). The goal on these diets is to eat more complex carbohydrates (for the increased fiber & nutrients), but if you pay attention to the [B]Insulin Index [/B] vs. the Glycemic Index or Glycemic Load you will find that some complex carbs raise insulin levels more than expected. On the other hand, there are also foods that don't stimulate as much insulin and/or are low on the glycemic index and people still have problems with them. Therefore, some acne sufferers will find that it's not always just about the sugar or insulin, but some other property of a food (antigenic protein, trans fat, etc) that induces a reaction (acne) in them.

[B]3)[/B] Dairy products are avoided because they are highly Insulinotropic or insulin stimulating. Skim Milk is the worst of them due to it's extra Whey Proten content. (Certain) Proteins have the ability to raise "insulin" by increasing IGF-1 (10x as potent as insulin). IGF-1 is largely involved in anabolic or building structures in the body such as muscles, cells, skin cells, oil glands, etc. Know what accutane does? It lowers our IGF-1 content as well as a few other things that we are fully capable of doing if we can just figure out the "right" diet for ourselves as [U]individuals[/U]. (Organic) Fermented Dairy products may work, but make sure it doesn't contain any added sweeteners.

[B]4)[/B] The theory behind following a low or moderate carbohydrate diet is to LOWER our insulin production. Insulin & Testosterone go hand in hand, they are anabolic hormones. So if you have High Free Testosterone levels, chances are you also have HIGH Insulin Levels, but it could also be due to another hormonal disorder that's indirectly related to Glucose Intolerance. Therefore, Metaformin/Glucophage works by [U]reducing[/U] the amount of Insulin secreted by the pancreas.

[B]5) [/B] These diets don't just lower testosterone hormones, they also lower estrogen hormones for those that are "estrogen dominant" or are experiencing Andropause (male menopause). Therefore what these diets do is basically try to correct whatever your particular imbalance may be, whether it is to balance your hormones, reduce inflammation, prevent hyperproliferation (think cancer), reduce hyperkeritnization (think clogged pores), etc. The more personally tailored to [U]you[/U] your diet is, the better your results.


[B]6) [/B] Ask any body builder and they will tell ya that they Carb Load (High carb meals) drink Whey Shakes, take Aromatase inhibitors (reduces estrogen & increases Free Testosterone), etc in order to boost Insulin and/or Testosterone production. So this is one way that you can increase these hormones via working out. Another way is to do lots of heavy lifting, really quickly, for short periods of time so that your body is in an Anaerobic State.

Now if you are in an [B]Aerobic State[/B], moderate to vigorous exercise at a less agressive pace for longer periods of time, will help your cells respond better to insulin, thus less insulin is secreted. Futhermore, it will also help reduce certain inflammatory products. Aside from taking Omega 3s, R-ALA, [U]vigorous exericising[/U] is supposed one of the best ways to help acne sufferers "cheat". However you must eat your "cheat food" and then exercise immediately after to prevent a break out, otherwise it will occur.


[B]7)[/B] Yes, sexual activity is a form of exercise and stress release and as such is just as good as exercise. Most people and most acne sufferers find that they don't break out from sexual activity, but some do. If you are one of these individuals it may be due to one or more of the following:

Zinc defficiency
Aromatase defficiency
Excess inflammatory products
Weak detoxification system.

Altering your diet will help reduce the excess inflammatory products and aromatase defficiency and adding Zinc Sulfate/Gluconate/Monomethione should help if low in zinc. Also taking other anti-inflammatories such as antioxidant rich teas, B5 or Pantethine, Omega 3s, R-ALA, Niacan, Guggul, Boswellia, Zinc, among others can help reduce inflammation as well as increase detoxification. Or you can try doing liver flushes, candida cleanses, bowel cleanses etc (do a search on the board) for more indepth detoxing.

[B]8)[/B] You can be underweight or overweight and still have Glucose Intolerance problems. When you are [U]overweight[/U] it is because your body is [U]unable[/U] to get the energy it needs from glucose, hence Insulin Resistance/Hyperinsulinism, and so you continue to eat more and more in hopes of getting that energy. However, what happens is that because you are unable to metabolize glucose effectively, BUT are able to produce lots of Insulin (unlike a Type I Diabetic) glucose is stored as Cholesterol or more body fat instead. For those that are [U]underweight[/U] it is the along the same lines, only our excess fat or cholesterol turns into excess hormones and inflammatory products.


[B]9) [/B] Wanna know if you are Glucose Intolerant, especially Insulin Resistant (IR)? Well if one or more of the following are true, it's likely that you are or at risk:

Going through Puberty? (IR is temporary)
Had Precocious Puberty (started at age 8 or younger)
Born Premature?
Born small for Gestational Age?
Born of low birth weight?
Passive/Second Hand Smoker? (raised in a smoking household)
Mother smoked while pregnant with you?
You smoke?
Family history of Type II Diabetes?
Have excess abdominal fat?
Have Acanthosis Nigricans (99% of people with IR have this)?
Lead a sedentary lifestyle?
Eat a diet void of nutrients, low in (soluble fiber) and high in (trans) fat?


Of course, everyone is different and not everyone has problems with sugars or starches, but there may be some other food that is a problem for which you will have to investigate what that food could possibly be. Also, we can't avoid a food just because it raises insulin, IGF-1, etc as all foods do. Yet we can try to reduce/avoid foods that raise these hormones, growth factors, and inflammatory products the [U]most signficantly [/U] compared to other foods.

Best wishes :)[/QUOTE]
Whoa!
Sweet... Thanks SweetJade1.
after reading ost of your post,i realized what i studies at Biology is just kindergarden of Medical. lol...

Thanks....

IWillHelpYou when wll you help us further? :D





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