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Hi Ladies,

I just stumbled onto this website and, being an acne sufferer for many years with a misdiagnosis, I wanted to put my message up in the hopes this info might help someone that might have what I had: HIRSUTISM.

From an early age (12ish) I noticed that I had more hair on my arms and legs than my friends. By 14 I began to have moderate acne. It got progressively worse through the years. I began my period at 15 and they were usually painful. Sometimes I would even feel like I was going to pass out. My mother took me to a dermatologist after dermatologist about my acne. I would get the usual treatment of being given ointments, antibiotics, and the doctors would tell me not to pick or touch my face and back. Nothing helped. Throughout the years my complexion didn't help my self esteem at all.

Even though it seemed like a losing battle, I continued to buy water based foundations, used acne medications, and ate a well-balanced diet.

I moved to the big city of Houston when I was 21 and thought that those things called facials might somehow help. I made an appt. and had a nice facial. The lady that gave me my facial commented on how clean my skin was and I told her I usually gave myself at home facials several times a week. At the conclusion of my session she asked me to sit up so that she could massage my shoulders and back. I told her I didn't want her to do that because I was embarrassed about the acne on my back. She asked if she could look at it and I agreed. She asked to look at my toes and belly button. I reluctantly showed her. Not saying anything more to me, she said to get dressed and she'd meet me out front. I was out in the waiting area for a while before she came and had a chance to look at some of the products they had to sell. I had decided one or two might work well for me and had them in my hands ready to pay for. She came out and said "I'd love to sell you that but you don't need it." Although she was not a medical doctor, she said that she thought that the cause of my acne was medical, something called Hirsutism, which basically meant I had too many male hormones. I was embarrassed to listen to what she was telling me. I told her I had been to at least a dozen dermatologists over the last 8-9 years...why had no one mentioned this to me or bothered to test me. She did not know but she said that I needed to go to an Endocrinologist. I did. She was right.

Not only does Hirsutism affect your skin, but it can also prevent you from being able to conceive. I also lost 20 pounds and my friends said I looked like a new person. I was not moody anymore and laughed alot. I felt like a new person and had unbelievable energy. By day four I thought that my doctor must have prescribed some type of upper or narcotic and called my doctor. He said that it was not an upper but that my body was becoming accustomed to working and functioning like a normal person. That for the first time I was actually experiencing what it felt like to feel good. I believe that a normal woman's testosterone level is up to 200. (I'm not sure what the unit of measure is.) Mine was in the 800 range.

Within 2 weeks or so I had no more acne and within six months my blood tests were normal and he took me off all medication. I did not have not one single pimple for over a year. That was about 14 years ago.

I guess what I wanted to pass along to the ladies here if you have the symptoms of acne, hair on toes and around belly button, possibly bad cramps, and moodiness, you might have what I had. My doctor said he feels around 80% of the women that have Hirsutism never get treatment or know that they have it. The only thing I don't understand is why I was not diagnosed sooner.

Thank you.

[This message has been edited by Janet in Texas (edited 05-14-2003).]

[This message has been edited by Janet in Texas (edited 05-30-2003).]
That's why it's important to go to a specialist.

Poreoilyme, are you a guy? If so, that's probably why you were blown off. Over and over I hear how men don't get treated for excess testosterone levels out of fear of chemical castration or feeling less masculine. Those men who decide to take Saw Palmetto (similar to spiro) have felt less "alive" and saw variable results in improving their skin. Then again, they tended to overdose on it, whereas us women can take 3-5x the amount and still not see a postive effect. Although, there are some women who see a postive effect while taking less than 200mg...

I will say that for any of you, I'm surprised you aren't taking an anti-androgen such as Spironolactone, or similar drug. Not only is it for cystic acne/oilies, but it helps with hirsuitism, and in the prevention of cystic ovaries (if that's a concern). That's what's rather odd, why they won't put men on this drug for acne, since it's used as a blood pressure medication to begin with??? The dosage that you would take wouldn't be that of the above, so "certain" side effects (I certainly never got them), may be less likely to occur, if at all.

I know that Diane 35 contains cyproterone (right?), but I'm aware of others that also take Spiro in addtion to this BC or others brands and have seen positive effects. While, taking Prednisone (deltasone) or Dexamethose glucocortocoids have helped to decrease hair loss and acne in women and men (LOCCAH dx), that would also explain the boosts inenergy. So it's very surprising Janet, that your doctor took you off of this drug. Then again, it takes a couple of tries before you hit the GOLD or PLATINUM of doctors. Heck, it took me 8 years of seeing doctors, specialists, before I found a good endocrinologist =)

Understandly you don't want to be on that drug for the next 30 years and while I've heard that the adrenal glands can rebalance itself, I'm surprised that it would happen in 6 months time. I'm even more suprised that he didn't give you anything for you excess hair. The drugs work, but usually ONLY while taking them and enough time off of them and your problems will come back. While Prednisone isn't prescribed to specifically to eliminate current body hair, the only thing that is supposed to do that would be Spiro or Flutamide etc. Of course there's other drugs and alternative treatments out there that have had varied success with acne/hair issues too.

So I guess the bottom line for those intersted, is that it just depends on your particular hormonal imbalance. The only way you'll ever know is to keep trying to see a specialist. The more time you have wasted by them, the more crazy your hormones will get, the more excess hair you'll get, etc. Yes, once you get it, it's not as easy to lose (you have to wait for the follicles to die, some do some don't). Depending on your age at the time of proper diagnosis & treatment (puberty vs. adult), somethings can be reversed and other things...can't

Say Janet, did you lose any body hair? How is your hair growth and acne now? How's your energy?

Thanks
Poreoilyme, I'm sorry about that ;-) It's just that I know that men do get looked over. Hey it took me 8 years before I got dx as PCOS/IR so I understand how you feel. Except, why didn't you go to another endocrinologist? I hit the jackpot after my 3rd attempt 2 years ago. I'll say that it was only because I was complaining of depression due to the BC pills and excess acne breakouts thanks to Minocycline. It's unfortunate that sometimes we must get our "miracles" unintentionally.

Axcell, so glad you are here. We should definately spread the word. Alot of people and doctors think that PCOS has a set # of symptoms when it really doesn't, hence the word "syndrome". I for one, only have the excess testosterone, mild hirusitism, oily skin, acne, cystic acne, hair growth problems, and terrible menstrual cramps. Well actually, through various treatments, I've found that the Spiro and my diet (gluten free..Low carb) have GREATLY improved the lot of it. Yet, it took me soo many attempts and wasted years before I got a dx. Some of my symptoms could have been prevented and that's what kinda hurts the most. So most definately the SOONER one sees a specialist, the sooner they can be dx and treated and MAYBE they can stop some of those hormonal imbalance "symptoms" from occurring. =)
I am sooo glad I came across this topic here! sorry for my long post!

I have suffered from acne since I was 12, I'm now 23. My entire face was always broken out and I got horrible cysts that would stay for over a year. I tried everything and nothing ever worked until I took accutane when I was 20. I took it for 4 months and my face stayed clear for about a year afterwards. Then the acne gradually came back, to the point where now the cysts are even coming back.

When searching for answers about the acne I came across info about having excess testosterone and was shocked to find that I have many of the symptoms.

I have excess body hair, the hair on my arms is about 3 times as dense as any of my friends and some of the hairs are way longer than they should be. I also have to pluck quite a bit of hair around my mouth and chin. I have hair on my chest, around my belly button, and on my toes and fingers as well. The hair has been getting worse lately and it is really upsetting me.

I've also always had irregular periods and do occassionaly miss periods. I tend to have problems with feeling very tired and sluggish too. Of course my family says I'm just lazy!

I went into a doctor last week to ask about getting my hormones checked and getting spiro to try. I'm a college student and have no medical insurance and basically no money. I have no choice but to go to the free doctors that my school provides us with. I've had nothing but bad experiences with these horrible free doctors but since I had no other choice I went to the female gyn there.

I was telling her about all my symptoms and told her what I thought was wrong and she seemed to just shrug it all off! I showed her the hair on my breasts and she said that thats normal and just comes with age!
I'm 23 years old! Is it really normal for a 23 year old to have coarse black hairs growing on her breasts?

I demanded that a blood test be done to check my testosterone and dhea-sulfate levels and she agreed but she said that those tests very rarely come back showing any problems. I had the impression that hormonal problems were quite common in women!

As for the acne, of course the first thing she said is accutane. I told her I already tried it and it didnt last and I dont want to take it again. She asked if I tried orthotricyclen and I told her I took for about 8 months and it didnt help at all. I just started taking yasmin about 3 weeks ago since I've heard so many good things about it. When I told her I started yasmin because I heard it works better than ortho she actually shook her head and rolled her eyes! What kind of doctor does that?

sorry for rambling on so long. I'm just so upset about all this! These symptoms are so upsetting. I'm sure all you women can understand how upsetting it is to have horrible acne and all this nasty hair. This doctor just totally brushed it off and said its normal. She didnt give me any advice or offer me any kind of treatment.

Do you think this doctor could be right? Should I just ignore these horrible humiliating symptoms? I'm convinced there MUST be something wrong, this cant possibly be normal!

I cant get the results of the blood test back until december 1st because of the holiday. I'm really hopeful that it shows my testosterone or dhea-s levels are too high, I just want an answer as to whats causing all this! And I want some kind of medication for it! I've decided that if the test shows my levels are normal and the doctor doesnt offer me any more help, I'm just going to buy spiro online and try it myself anyway. I cant afford to see any decent doctor. :(
[QUOTE=hairy_gurl]

Hairy_Gurl,

YOu do need to go see an endocrinologist. Or find a doctor that is willing to give you the blood tests that you need. Since its been so long ago, I only remember two of the blood tests I was given. One was to test my testosterone level and the other one was DHEA Sulfate.

I did have a derm put me on spiro and it did help, but he didn't give me any blood tests.

My endocrinologist said that a blood test was necessary to determine just how bad it is and to determine where the deficinincy is...whether it is your pituitary gland that is not functioning properly or your adrenal gland.
[QUOTE=stasia12]this is really interesting-but i have few questions. one is-in what ethnicities is hirsutism normal?also, id like to know sweetjade, why you think diet has helped you so much as far as your hormornes are concerned-it seems strange that it cant be balanced by drugs. I also have similar symptoms, but I thought it was getting older. I have regular periods and all that, but I do have excess hair around the belly, alot on my toes, some on my chest/nipples, and now i get on the chin all the time-and Im not that old. I dont usually get cystic acne though, but Ive had moderate acne since I was about 14 or 15 and am now 29-and the hair stuff started happening four years ago.[/QUOTE]

OK, this is what I've heard about acne. That 90% of acne sufferers merely are just SENSITIVE to "regular" amounts of androgen hormones and the rest of us actually do produce too much hormones. Thus why most acne sufferers skin usually calms back down once puberty is over. The same rule also applies when it comes to treating hirsutism. Once you develop that secondary hair follicle, no matter how little androgens you produce, that hair follicle will respond to that amount of androgens. Therefore, the sooner one gets dx, the sooner they can get treated properly, and the more likely they can prevent the further development of unwanted hair.

I found out the hard way that not being on Spironolactone for 6 months after taking it for 6 years that I was only suppressing my hair follicles abilitity to respond to androgens because the Spiro was blocking the androgen receptor. I noticed that I started to develop facial hair and more hair on other areas so I went back on Spiro for a few months. I also did some other things to help suppress this (dabbling with various supplements) but because I have not been to a doctor or Endocrinologist in almost 2 years I stopped taking the spiro. I don't want to take a drug unless I can be monitored. So I haven't taken Spiro in at least 6 months and it's funny because the hair on my body and face isn't worsening. In fact it looks like some of it is falling out!

Those results may indeed be due to my diet. I know it's hard for you to understand why drugs wouldn't work and a diet would, but the key to understanding this is that [B]your diet supplies the nutrients neccessary for certain other enzymes, hormones, growth factors, and inflammatory products to exist[/B]. Therefore by altering your diet and physical activity, one can alter the amounts of the above products, and thus can control their acne and sometimes even a certain amount of hirsutism.

See, the medications work to either supress the amount of DHT you produce, to bind the amount of Free Testosterone (estrogen - BC, thyroid drugs, insulin sensitizing drugs/supplements) that's active, or to prevent the amount of androgens that bind to the androgen receptors. Yet IF you can find the right diet, you can do ALL of the same things! Therefore you can essentially take both medications, exercise, and follow the right dietary regimen if your problems are particularly stubborn, but some people have found that they do well just doing diet alone. However [B]when you only take the medications, and you continue to eat in a way that favors the above reactions, you are actually OPPOSING the job that your medication is meant to do[/B]. The wrong diet for your genetic & body type can actually be antagonistic to any medication or supplement that you use. Hence why, in most treatment protocols it not only mentions that you take the medication but to also watch your sugar or fat intake etc (depending on the disorder). Yet most people feel that some little pill, will solve their problems....not always.

In fact the best control I had over my hirstusim was one I was on Spiro AND my diet. This provided me the best combination because my diet reduces the amount of testosterone that I produce, it reduces the amount of free testosterone, which means it reduces the amount of androgens that will bind to the androgen receptor, thus it does reduce the amount of DHT I produce to some extent. However because I quite clearly still produce enough DHT for my hair follicles to respond to, this is where spiro comes in because it will block the androgen receptors, thus further reducing the amount of DHT I produce. Spiros job is dose dependent so the more the you take, the less DHT you will produce. Of course you want the most effective lowest dose and this can be 50mg for some women or 200mg for others. In my case regarding acne, I may have had to go on 300mg or more, because 200mg wasn't effective enough (100mg with diet works well for hirstusim though).

Now I want to mention something to you about fats, particularly trans fats. In fact this also applies to saturated fats as both this type and trans tats will ingrease your growth factor production. Growth factors are wonderful thing, but if you overproduce the wrong ones, well you've set up the prefect fertilizer for unwanted hair (and acne). See IGF-1 is used to help grow hair on our scalp, body, as well as any other type of cell and seems to be in abundance when it comes to dealing with tumors or cancer. Yet for this purpose, in excess and in the wrong place, hirsutim can result. Furthermore because of the prolonged presence of IGF-1 in the body, other growth factor or pro-inflammatory cytokines will present themselves that will further increase the growth of unwanted hair. What I discovered AFTER changing my diet was that I was consuming more trans fats (started eating microwavable popcorn more often and other gluten-free items) and this affected my pore size and at one point I thought it was giving me blackheads. Yet when I looked at the pores (on & around my nose area) those weren't black heads but were actual HAIRS!!!

This happened to 2 other people when they altered their diets and well for me the answer was no trans fats whatsoever. I don't care if that package says "no trans fats" or "0 trans fats" if the ingredients mention Partially Hydrogenated Oil (trans fat) or even Hydrogenated Oil (may have some partially hydrogenated oil) then I do not eat it. What I noticed was my enlarged pores shrank down to the smallest I've ever known them to be since before puberty and those hairs fell out! Not only that, but I noticed that the pores on my thighs and some of those hairs also shrank and fell out. So this MAY have been the reason I developed facial hair because not only does IGF-1 increase growth of cells, but it is also 10x more potent than insulin and can actually cal forth androgen hormones as well.

It's amazing the difference pore size can make. With enlarged pores I don't look as good, but with them smaller I seem like a different person. My face is smoother and more refined looking and I really like it. I personally don't avoid animal saturated fat, but I will say that most of my meat is lean and I don't usually eat fried foods. The only thing that I eat regularly fried would be the potato chips and they are cooked in sunflower oil. Yet I have noted that when I do eat other types of fried food that my pores get puffier but dont usually get larger. When I do get trans fats in my diet, it takes about 2 weeks to undo the damage done in terms of pore size and those hairs eventually fall out some time around then too.

Now I have not had my hormones checked in almost 2 years so I don't know how much Free Testosterone or DHEA I have in excess. My Testosterone and DHEA-S were within the normal ranges, but yes either DHEA or DHEA-S are elevated when dealing with hirsutism issues. However I do know that based on looking at abstracts and full texts journal articles that depending on one's disorder medication works, diet works more, and diet and exercise work even better. All of these can reduce your hormone production or activity, but again when it comes to hirsutism, you may need to take some sort of medication or supplement to further block DHT production/activity for the rest of your life....or go for laser treatment ;-)

Hope that helped some

P.S. I'm definately not growing out of acne. I can still eat sugar, HFCS and I will breakout. I can still consume trans fats and trigger enlarged pores and weird hair growth, etc. I have the power to cease 99% of my acne or activate 100% of it, but I think you know what I've chosen.
Hi, i found this thread and decided to check my hormones. 5 years ago I had my first Major Acne Breakout- the cystic kind, and since then the same story all u had. But the thing is I also had major hair growth all of the sudden- everywhere!!! Even on my tummy, perinipple, etc, etc. I wish i had tested testosterone then. Now my acne is still bad, and i'm just fighting the hair, though some areas are so hard to remove.

Anyway. My testosterone level turned out to be in the high normal range. Like Normal is 0.06-0.85, mine is 0.826. So I donno, do you all think this might be the reason for the acne and hair? Or i guess since its in the normal range then my acne must have other reasons? My other hormones were okay btw.
I know this is an old thread but if any of u have some input it would be great.
love yall.
[QUOTE=hmahappy]Hi, i found this thread and decided to check my hormones. 5 years ago I had my first Major Acne Breakout- the cystic kind, and since then the same story all u had. But the thing is I also had major hair growth all of the sudden- everywhere!!! Even on my tummy, perinipple, etc, etc. I wish i had tested testosterone then. Now my acne is still bad, and i'm just fighting the hair, though some areas are so hard to remove.

Anyway. My testosterone level turned out to be in the high normal range. Like Normal is 0.06-0.85, mine is 0.826. So I donno, do you all think this might be the reason for the acne and hair? Or i guess since its in the normal range then my acne must have other reasons? My other hormones were okay btw.
I know this is an old thread but if any of u have some input it would be great.
love yall.[/QUOTE]


When you say Testosterone are you referring to Free Testosterone? Those numbers could be Correct if that is the case, but that is so close to borderline that some days you may actually go over that number. Free T refers to the amount of Androgens that are unbound and free to be active in your system. So there may be some type of androgen that is too high, however there is:

Total Testosterone
Free Testisterone
DHEA
DHEA-s
Androstendione
DHT

That you need to look at as well.

Even with normal levels of Total Testesterone (takes into account Free T, DHEA, DHEA-S, Androstendione, DHT), you can have a HIGH amount of one of the others.

Did you also you get your thyroid checked?

Did you get your adrenal checked?

Were you on any Birth Control or other medications (antibiotics, antidepressants, antihistamines) that can sometimes also lower your androgens or other hormones?
Hmmm. I see. No that was only the total testosterone- so you think i should do the free, the DHEA and all the other ones you mentioned? I checked thyroid and other female hormones, and no i'm not on anything. I just figure it might be why i'm so hairy. I guess I should do the other ones too? I hate blood tests, but if maybe this is why, i'd like to know it, you know what i mean? So you think i should do the other tests.
[QUOTE=hmahappy]Hmmm. I see. No that was only the total testosterone- so you think i should do the free, the DHEA and all the other ones you mentioned? I checked thyroid and other female hormones, and no i'm not on anything. I just figure it might be why i'm so hairy. I guess I should do the other ones too? I hate blood tests, but if maybe this is why, i'd like to know it, you know what i mean? So you think i should do the other tests.[/QUOTE]

Yes. If that was your Total Testosterone, then it does'nt mean squat. Although, you are clearly near borderline with that number. Besides, I have normal Total Testoterone (not as high as yours) and I had VERY HIGH levels of Free T and DHEA! Other women have similar readings. Total Testosterone is not an accurate account of your androgen levels, so definately go back and get the rest checked.

Best of luck! =)
I've had acne, lots of hair, mood swings and other crap for years now. The thing is that I NEVER thought I had PCOS becuz my periods are REGULAR and i'm SKINNY!!! sometimes even UNDERWEIGHT!!!! I'm still not convinced I have PCO, because its atypical. But I can't afford to go to more doctors or do more tests. This is what I did thanks to these boards: I had a hormone profile of all the androgens- testosterone, androstenedione, DHEA, DHEA-S, and the rest of the lot. Also, progesterone, LH, and FSH. Someone said i should get insulin levels and check my glucose, but i didn't do those. Needless to say, my androgens were haywire, androstenedione by itself over 7 times the limet, the LH:FSH ratio was inverted,LH was higher than FSH should be the opposite. the reason i didn't update the post is that i was too depressed, and anyway like i said i'm not totally convinced. I did an ultrasound which showed peripheral cysts- but they were less than 9 in # which is i think the minimal to diagnose, so inconclusive. Anyway, the dr was convinced enough to put me on metformin 500 mg a day trial period for 6 mos, then repeat the labs. I had the worst side effects at first mainly just diarrhea and depression, now i'm okay and waiting to see results. on another forum they told me it would take at least 4 mos to see an effect for the acne, and 9 months for the hair to reduce. I might have to increase the dose to 1000.
The change I have noticed in the acne is thank god they are not as Large- they're still cystic or whiteheads but much smaller in size than the massive ones i used to get. But its still too early to say- this is my first month maybe longer i can't remember. Oh, and diet makes absolutely no difference to me. I see now it was always nothing to do with diet. Just hormones hormones and more hormones. Could be worse!
Oh well. It's nice to have a dx. though i didn't expect a chronic disease. BTW, PCO is very serious, you should get a dx anyway because PCO patients are liable to other diseases, mainly diabetes. If you have lots of people in yr family with diabetes- this is where its ocming from, genes. Thank you dad.
I hope this is the right diagnosis by the way, cuz otherwise i really couldn't find any other explanation except for really serious stuff, so its better than not knowing and going through another course of accutane or something! And i can keep my eye out for the other related PCO diseases. I just wish i didn't have a chronic thing. But like i said, it could be worse. Thank god. Take care
[QUOTE=hmahappy]I've had acne, lots of hair, mood swings and other crap for years now. The thing is that I NEVER thought I had PCOS becuz my periods are REGULAR and i'm SKINNY!!! sometimes even UNDERWEIGHT!!!! I'm still not convinced I have PCO, because its atypical. But I can't afford to go to more doctors or do more tests. This is what I did thanks to these boards: I had a hormone profile of all the androgens- testosterone, androstenedione, DHEA, DHEA-S, and the rest of the lot. Also, progesterone, LH, and FSH. Someone said i should get insulin levels and check my glucose, but i didn't do those. Needless to say, my androgens were haywire, androstenedione by itself over 7 times the limet, the LH:FSH ratio was inverted,LH was higher than FSH should be the opposite. the reason i didn't update the post is that i was too depressed, and anyway like i said i'm not totally convinced. I did an ultrasound which showed peripheral cysts- but they were less than 9 in # which is i think the minimal to diagnose, so inconclusive. Anyway, the dr was convinced enough to put me on metformin 500 mg a day trial period for 6 mos, then repeat the labs. I had the worst side effects at first mainly just diarrhea and depression, now i'm okay and waiting to see results. on another forum they told me it would take at least 4 mos to see an effect for the acne, and 9 months for the hair to reduce. I might have to increase the dose to 1000.
The change I have noticed in the acne is thank god they are not as Large- they're still cystic or whiteheads but much smaller in size than the massive ones i used to get. But its still too early to say- this is my first month maybe longer i can't remember. Oh, and diet makes absolutely no difference to me. I see now it was always nothing to do with diet. Just hormones hormones and more hormones. Could be worse!
Oh well. It's nice to have a dx. though i didn't expect a chronic disease. BTW, PCO is very serious, you should get a dx anyway because PCO patients are liable to other diseases, mainly diabetes. If you have lots of people in yr family with diabetes- this is where its ocming from, genes. Thank you dad.
I hope this is the right diagnosis by the way, cuz otherwise i really couldn't find any other explanation except for really serious stuff, so its better than not knowing and going through another course of accutane or something! And i can keep my eye out for the other related PCO diseases. I just wish i didn't have a chronic thing. But like i said, it could be worse. Thank god. Take care[/QUOTE]


Wow. Definately increase your metaformin dosage, however if you really aren't seeing a big difference when you do so, it may not be PCOS. Also, if there was no mention of your sugar/insulin levels and no one in your family is a Type II Diabetic than again it's possible it's not PCOS or Insulin Resistance (you can be skinny). I have no idea what type of diet you followed, but if and IF you do have the above diseases (PCOS, Diabetes, Insulin Resistance) than diet [B]WILL[/B] work for you. So the question comes down to what type of diet you may have followed, because the unappropriate one will [U]always[/U] fail.

There is another disorder, NCCAH/LOCAH, [U]Late Onset [/U] Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia that likes to mimic PCOS (and vice versa). It has to do with your adrenal gland and as such, theoretically you would have high DHEA levels and possibly Low Corisol levels. Did you get your [B]cortisol[/B] checked? Do you generally feel weaker? Have trouble handling stressful situations? The signs are very similar, which is why it's important to have that tested. You would get a 24hr Cortisol (urine test) and an ACTH Supression Test and this will tell you if you have an adrenal dysfunction. Your doctor should also check to see if you have the right levels of certain enzymes that are neccessary in the production of cortisol. Just like with PCOS/IR if you are lacking one of these enzymes then your body ends up trying and trying to produce cortisol, but of course in the process it also overproduces DHEA. There's also one called Hypercortisolism/Cushings Disease where you produce too much cortisol and everything else that's produced with it. There's actually a few adrenal disorders so, if the Metaformin doesn't work for you then this may be something you want to explore.

I wish you the best
I have been on Spiro for 2 months and it has been a miracle for me. My gyno had my testosterone levels checked which came back normal, but high normal. So, I convinced her to put me on Spiro for my acne/oily skin and slight hair above lip. The 25mg I started on did nothing - after three weeks upped it to 50mg and like you, I had terrible headaches. This was due to dehydration. So, I drank and drank and drank water. Headaches finally went away after two weeks or so. I was still breaking out on 50mg, so dr upped it to 75mg split in am and pm. I take 50mg in am and 25mg in pm. This dose has worked for me. Clear and no more oil. I am happy!!!!! :)





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