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Hey Mike! I'm so happy you like the Sage poo...I was hoping you would since amber and I kind of talked you into it =)

I don't think washing your face every day with the poo will hurt your skin - it's very gentle. I have sensitive skin and use it twice a day. Maybe just use it at night and splash your face with cool water in the morning, or vice versa.

I use the corrective grains as well, but here's where you might want to be concerned. If you use the sample you got, only use them every couple of days once a day before you use the poo. If your skin is really sensitive, overusing them can irritate you, but you do need exfoliation. The first week or so that I used them, my skin was slightly bothered but I was using them twice a day...now I'm stil using them twice a day with no problem. Read the directions on the back...if you use them like it says, you should not have a problem. I believe it says to use a quarter sized amount or less and imagine your skin is a flower petal that you do not want to scratch. Whatever you do, don't scrub. The grains are *very* gentle, but scrubbing is no good.

I used to use a crap load of Old Lady Cream to buffer with because I was really dry when I first starting using the line. Now, I'm using all the really aggressive products with no Old Lady Cream or any moisturizer (other than what SPF and Smoothing Cream provide.) My skin has never looked better.

Here's what I do every day:

AM-
grains
poo
SPF 25
20% Smoothing Cream

PM-
grains
poo
2% MSSR
20% Smoothing Gel
10% Fix Zit thick all over

This combination has been working wonders for me. Red marks are fading and most of my zits are either gone or really worried =) Better yet, these products have put the "glow" back in my skin. I feel and look like I have brand new skin every morning. The first two or three weeks were really tough...lots of breakouts, redness, irritation, peeling...even using some of the lower strengths and buffering with Old Lady Cream. I jumped right in so I could get the nastiness over with quickly, but at the same time, I worked my way up slowly, let my skin adjust and things are great and have been for two weeks. My routine is aggressive and I would never recommend it for someone just starting out with this line - you have to work your way up slowly. And I know you are really insistent on not irritating your skin, so unfortunately, some of these Sage products are not for you.

On the same token, there are some basics you do need from their line if you want to help your skin clear without irritating it. Do you like benzoyl peroxide? I know it gets a really bad rap here, but personally, I've found after trying countless BP solutions that I hated, Sage makes the best ones. They have two versions, Fix Zit and Miracle Zit. Fix Zit is a gentle version with aloe, chamomile and other soothing ingredients - this comes in strengths as low as 2.5% and as high as XX w/ sulfur. Miracle Zit does not contain any of the soothing ingredients and personally, I do not like it. It left me red and yucky, no matter how little I used. Fix Zit has not caused any redness and really helps to keep my skin clear.

Based on what I know about you, here's what I'd suggest. I know you have the poo and a sample of the grains, SPF and Old Lady Cream...you are worried about irritating your sensitive skin but are oily and want to clear your skin. First of all, nothing you have is going to actually clear your skin. It will definately help though in preventing future breakouts that are due to using comedogenic ingredients on your skin. But as far as clearing your existing pimples and keeping others from popping up, you have to go to town on them...respectfully of course!

Here's my suggestion.
AM:
splash with cool water
SPF (use Old Lady Cream after this but only if you need it - I doubt you will since you are oily and SPF has plenty of moisture in it)

PM:
grains (every two days and then after you adjust, use them as needed)
poo
Old Lady Cream (to buffer Fix Zit until your skin adjusts - after that, you probably do not need it anymore)
Fix Zit 2.5% or 5% thick all over (every other night and then after adjusting, every single night)

I know you don't have Fix Zit so next time you order, ask for samples of it. I would definately suggest investing in a full size bottle of the SPF they sent you. It's crucial to use this every single day. If you like the grains, go for that too. I find Old Lady Cream unecessary now, so the sample you have will probably be just enough for you. All you really need are grains, poo, SPF and Fix Zit.

A few helpful tips:
Always wash with cold water...never hot or even warm.
Do not use Fix Zit or other benzoyl perozide during the day - it is photosensitive and causes your skin to burn faster and easier when exposed to the sun.
Wear SPF every single day of your life. It will help those stubborn red marks, I promise. Sun damage is the number one cause of lingering red marks...the sun retards the healing process, so a red mark that would normally take 6 weeks to go away will take months and even years without proper sun protection. Personally, I've found that my acne and red marks are much worse and always take so much longer to go away on the left side of my face (drivers side window) but now with SPF, it's balanced out and everything heals very quickly.

Sorry this is so long! Please let us know how you are doing and remember, my advice is just that...you know your skin and what it can handle, I don't. Listen to what it tells you and you should be fine.

Good luck!
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Originally posted by Mike03:


I was wondering if you ever use a wash cloth, or just your bare hands? Because my skin is pretty damn sensitive and i dont want to do anything bad to it. Tonight in going to go for the grains and see how it goes, and i know i think my skin will take a few weeks to get used to it but i reall ylike this product line so far. Keep this thread going.



I do use a washcloth, but not to scrub or "wash" my face with. I only use it to rinse the poo off my face and the cloth doesn't really ever touch my face. The only reason I do this is because it takes forever to rinse with my bare hands and I end up with puddles of water all over the counter. However, if you like to use your hands, that's totally fine...in fact, it's the recommended way to wash your face since washcloths breed bacteria. I solve this problem by using a new one everyday instead of the slightly damp one from the night before...I do alot of laundry!

Careful with the grains...if your face is red after you use them tonight, that's an indication you are using them too rough. Slightly pink is fine...my face is always slightly pink after using them but it goes away in a few minutes. Just use a little bit (a nickel sized amount is good to start off with) and kind of swipe them over your skin with your fingertips using the lightest touch possible...no rubbing or scrubbing. Every few days...that should be plenty for now. After the grains, use a pea sized amount of the poo, rinse with cold water and then if you feel dry afterwards (you shouldn't though, just soft and clean) use a pea sized amount of Old Lady Cream.

I've got my fingers crossed for you!
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Originally posted by FelineSin1:
Yah, you're right maybe my skin is just adjusting. I'd give it more time. Thank you!
My routine is
am
gelloid
reg grains
reg poo
ice
zit zapper
spf
makeup

pm
reg grains
reg poo
ice
zit zapper
olc
very gentle miracle zit (2.5%)

Oh..jad, I'm anxious to try my samples of smoothing cream/gel. Which one works better? I'm 19 years old but my skin have an uneven texture from past breakouts. I also have red marks from the past. Plus do you think that in the future I can wean off from diane 35? ( I always break out before my period )I'm just a student and saving a lil bit of money is always a great help. Thanx again!



Hi! Sorry I've taken so long to get back to you. I'm in the midst of final exams - I have four in the next two days, in addition to one I had last week. Ugh!

I like the smoothing cream best, but in terms of more effective, the smoothing gel is superior. However, it can be very irritating - it is just straight up acid, where the creams have extra moisture and feels like silk on your skin. I wouldn't attempt the smoothing gel yet, but once your skin is feeling better (less red and irritated) I'd definately start trying to work the cream into your routine. You have to use it only during the day for a whole month before you can use it twice a day. It would go after SPF in the AM. After a month, you can use it at night as well. And if you have very oily skin, you can use the smoothing gel on oily areas and the cream on dry and normal areas both morning and night after a month. You *can* use the smoothing gel in combination with or instead of the cream during the first month, but I'd let your skin adjust to the cream firt. And again, only once a day during the day. Just be sure to read the instructions carefully - if you use too much of either, you might regret it.

Also, the smoothing gel has a tendency to "pill" under makeup since it's very liquidy and slightly sticky. It kind of reminds me of boogies =) I find the cream gives a great base for makeup - it is so smooth and absorbs instantly - which is why I use the smoothing gel strictly at night.

One more thing...I believe Barbara replied to you on the Sage forum. Take her advice and go easy for now. Also remember to let Miracle Zit dry completely before you go to bed so it doesn't get in your eyes. I wash my face around 10-11PM so when I hit the sack a few hours later, it's 100% dry. Don't apply it between your eyes or above your ocular bone (cheekbone) either, if you do so. Hope this helps!

Good luck!

[This message has been edited by jad211 (edited 05-13-2002).]






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