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Hi Ellah,

Iím glad you are sticking around this board.

I do the same thing; wash my face and slather on some Aquaphor. The problem with that is it manages to get in my hair, it makes my hair look like a grease bucket in a few hours. I have thought about the ice cube, but I was afraid it might not be good. I really would like to soak my eyes with ice (what do you think).

I wonder why my doctor didnít mention the soaks. I really appreciate you telling me about them, I hope I can find something that I already have to soak with. I think Iíll wait until tomorrow to start the soaks though.

Well, I had a couple of microderms done at a derms office, and then went to a salon and had about four or five. The microderm seems to clean and refresh your face better than a facial. As for helping for shallow scars and large pores it did nothing. If anything I think microderms may have made them look worse. Maybe itís because they cleaned everything out of the scars (tissue), I really donít know. Anyway, they were doing the highest most aggressive level on me (number 5). It did give me a nice clean healthy look though. I had a fine line under one of my eyes (from sleeping on my stomach) and it managed to make it disappear, but about a month after I quit having them done my face went right back to where it was, other than my scars still looked more noticeable. So I think they are good for fine lines as long as you have at least one a month to keep it up. I do not recommend it for scars. This was me though; you could be different of course. Maybe when I start getting crows feet (I hope this wonít happen), I will have microderms done just around my eyes, but I donít want to chance where my scars are/were.

About the Purpose Lotion SPF 15, itís just something I found to be soothing the day I do a light peel or the following day. You donít want to put anything on that will irritate your skin, and Purpose Lotion has nothing in it that will. It has nothing special in it either. Itís just good for that reason only. Although, I think it would be perfect for a guy to use, because it gives you moisture with SPF and sinks in very well, you canít even tell you have anything on. Thatís probably what I will use for SPF for a while after this peel, until I can start back with my normal regimen. BTW, when do you start back with your normal regimen after your TCA?

I wanted to ask you how long do you wait before you start doing your glycolic peels after your TCA Peel. Girl you must have some tough skin (70% OUCHA)!! I have something to tell you about Lactic Acid that I think you will find very interesting. I will write another page on that later. I think I have managed to make this too long already (donít want you to loose interest).

Yes I will definitely let you know what my doctor says about the TCA Peel in a month. I have an appointment Tuesday, but if I donít start looking any better, I may reschedule for the end of the week. There is no way I would want to walk through this really nice building looking the way I do!! I have already decided to call work and tell them I wonít be back until Wednesday. I didnít think I was going to look this bad for so long! I wanted to do the peel on a Friday afternoon but my doctor only does surgeryís on Fridayís, I guess he is busy with lipo, face lifts, etcÖ





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Tif :)
Hi Amaru,

Yes I have had Glycolic and Lactic Peels.

The main reason why I wanted a medium peel is because I want to get to the source quicker.

Doing the light peels you have to have patience because it takes time. Before I got up the courage to do a medium peel I was doing the light peels. If you only have red marks to get rid of, than light Lactic Acid peels should be fine for you.

In my case I have some shallow scaring and some scars that look like big pores. I made a decision to do a medium peel for faster results with these scars. So I plan to have another TCA Peel as soon as I can but next time I will not get a full face TCA Peel. Iím only going to have him put the acid on my scarred areas.

I have been told by several different sources that doing the light peels could give me the same results in a period of 6-12 months as one TCA Peel. Well, I made that decision not to wait. This is a decision you need to make too. Do you want to wait or do you want faster results? Thatís all it boils down to.

I do, however, plan to start back on some Lactic Acid Peels after I have my Ďtouch upí TCA Peel done (probably start on a Lactic Acid peel 2 or 3 weeks after the touch up). This will keep my skin looking good and not get a build up of dead skin and debris.

I donít know when I will do another Glycolic Peel though. They are so irritating and I believe the Lactic does just as good without all that harsh aggravation. Iím sure I will end up maybe doing a Glycolic Peel once a month and a Lactic Peel 3 times a month; it is recommended to rotate light acid peels so your skin will not become immune to one particular acid. I wish you luck on your decision.

If you have any more questions for me feel free to ask.




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Tif :)
Hey Ellah,

As far as I know, the Power Peel, Derma Peel, Crystal Peel, Smart peel, Lunchtime Peel, Mid-Day Facelift, etc., are all Microdermabrasions. The reason why I think the microderms made my scars more noticeable is because I think they took debris, dead skin cells, and Iím guessing maybe scar tissue. That is the only thing I can think of. Microdermabrasion machines spit out crystals and then sucks them back up. Kind of like a mini sandblasting job. When it shoots out the crystals it is like beating off the old dead skin cells and then sucking up the dead skin and crystals back up. Who knows if I would have kept it up, I may have eventually been more pleased. I just didnít want to keep going and going at that price. After the first one or two microderms I thought maybe I looked better, (more refreshed) but the more I had it done and the more aggressive they got the worse I liked it. Do some checking around; maybe you will find someone that really likes it.

Well, I have read it at several places about your skin could/would become resistant to a certain type of acid peel. Like they say if your skin doesnít seem to respond to the Glycolic anymore then change to Lactic. I have also talked to someone that has done light peels for years. She said that she prefers to alternate her acids to keep from getting less response from one acid and still get good benefits from both.

I use Retin-A 0.1%. I just started back with the Retin A, a few months ago. Retin A will help with new collagen and new skin turn over. Itís supposed to make your skin become thicker and stimulate new collagen growth. Of course, itís nothing like a TCA Peel (it takes time). You may not want to start with the 0.1%, which is the strongest, maybe .5%. Because Retin A can be irritating. Iím surprised you didnít have to use Retin A before your TCA Peel. That is one of the requirements my doctor had. He told me to at least use the Retin A 2-3 weeks prior to the peel, and only wash with a gentle soap free cleanser and use a gentle moisturizer. No AHAís or BHAís during that time.

Well, I do know that my Vitamin C Serum improves skin tone (It gave me a nice glow too). After only about 2 weeks of use I could see a difference. Other things Vitamin C is supposed to do, is to prevent the appearance of future aging, fights oxy radical attack, anti-oxidant, improves elasticity and firmness.

The main reason why I use the Vitamin C is for the skin tone, antioxidant, and to try and fight off any future signs of aging LOL. You use the Vitamin C Serum in the AM and the Retin A at night.

I do use SkinCeuticals whole line for my skin type, and I do love it.

Yes, they do have the Skin Culture Peel at that same website where you bought your Lactic Acid. They call it the Non-Glycolic Acid Peel. Itís like the One-Day, Two-Day, Three-Day, and the Four-Day Deep Non-Glycolic Acid Peel. It is the same peel. Somebody from this board or maybe it was another board said that he/she had purchased the Skin Culture from their website and then purchased the Non-Glycolic Peel (from the website you bought your Lactic). He/She said it was the same exact peel and had Skin Culture Peel written on the kit. So you have done a Skin Culture Peel.

Following a Lactic with a Microderm did very well for me indeed. This I will probably do again. Just be careful the first time and only leave the Lactic on for maybe a minute and see how you do. You can always go an extra minute the next time.

Although I havenít did any home microderms so they may be gentler. Let me know how they work for you. Actually the home microderms may be better since crystals arenít beating on your face and then sucked back up. You may get good results.

Iím going to try very hard to make it to my doctorís appointment tomorrow afternoon. When I go I will be sure and get as much information as I can about how soon I can do another peel (in problem areas only). I will be sure and let you know what he says.

If you have anymore questions, feel free to ask.


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Hi Ellah,

All I know is that I had microderms. I will call both places that I had my microderms and ask if they called it the Power Peel, Derma Peel, Crystal Peel, Persian Peel, Lunchtime Peel, Mid-Day Facelift, etc.. You have gotten me curious now. I will try and call them tomorrow if not I will do it Monday; I will let you know what they tell me.

Also, the more I think about it the more I think I might not have another microderm done even if I was planning to come home and do the Lactic Acid afterward. Iím too scared it might mess up anything positive that I have gotten from my TCA Peel. Such as smoothing out the shallow scars, etc. Of course, I donít know this for a fact, but I really donít want to risk it. I mean shooting out crystals that are beating on your face and then sucking then back up. Remember, thatís just my thoughts, I have no hard evidence that this could happen, but I think I will make professional microderms a thing of the past.

I do have to agree with your Dermatologist on his/her comment about microderms, ďcomplete waste of money.Ē That is my opinion too though, you have seen others that think that they have helped them. Unfortunately they didnít help me. Although, Iím very interested in your home microderm kit, please let me know how that works for you. You only have to rub that on your skin, right?

No, I use the original Retin-A. I think the Retin-A Micro is better for active acne. I have heard, but I donít know this for a fact, that the original Retin-A is better for stimulating new collagen. If you want me to, I will try and find out more information on this and let you know. If you find some information before me, please let me know.

I get my Retin-A prescriptions from my derm. Although, this doctor (the Plastic Surgeon who did my TCA Peel) asked if I needed some Retin-A and I told him yes, so he gave me a prescription. That will just save me a trip to the derms office for a new prescription LOL. I only pay $20.00 co-pay with my insurance. Do you have insurance? If so, you can get a prescription from your derm. Itís covered under insurance, because itís used for acne. You can get him to give you some samples too. You are only supposed to use a pea sized amount on your whole face (which is something I find impossible).

About the SkinCeuticals, let me know what product/products you are interested in and I will give you the ingredients. I use the whole line for my skin type. I also save the boxes the products come in and the ingredients are written on the box. So just let me know.







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Today is the Tomorrow You Worried About Yesterday...
Tif :)
8 Days TCA Post-Peel

Well, 8 days have come and gone.
This morning I still had some skin on my cheeks that had rolled backward away from my mouth and nose area since last night and some skin around my hairline.

When I washed my face it came off of my cheeks. BTW, the way I wash my face really helps. I wet my face lather up some Neutrogena facial bar on my hands and pat it all over my face and then I cup water in both hands and just press it on my face, I rinse like this for about five minutes. I then repeat the whole process one time. I still had some skin in my hairline after the face wash.

I was very excited about getting ready to go to my doctorís appointment today. I actually washed my hair three times in the shower to get rid of all that emollient, because I knew I wasnít going to use it anymore!! I wanted to look good today because I have been hibernating for 8 days, plus my doctor is kind of cute LOL.

Iíll tell you this, all I put on my face before I left for the doctorís office was, Oil of Olay oil free moisturizer original, a little bit of eyeliner, touched up my eyelashes with some mascara, and some neutral shade lip gloss. I have to admit my skin looked better than it used to look before the peel when Iíd spend a lot of time putting on foundation, powder, blush, etc. Iím being totally honest too, as I have been throughout my whole diary.

I still have a couple of pink spots but they have really reduced in color since yesterday. They arenít that noticeable anymore.

Iím very pleased with the results from my TCA Peel.

The TCA Peel has definitely reduced my pore size, my shallow scars are smoother, and I have a nice clean healthy, refreshed appearance.

I did ask about my next TCA Peel. I wanted him to at least touch up the area where my huge inflamed pimple was. He said that we do need to get rid of that. What he wants to get rid of is a mole that gets a huge cyst underneath it and flares up very large. It hasnít flared up in a few years, because I had a derm give me a shot of cortisone underneath the mole and I havenít had a problem since with it flaring up. Until I was messing with my face the week before the peel trying to get rid of a blackhead that was very close to the mole. Anyway he wants to cut the mole and underlying cyst off December the 30th.

He said the only way he would give a TCA Peel four weeks after the first is if he only did a light percentage TCA Peel the first time.

He said the soonest he would do another 35% TCA Peel would be six weeks but he does not recommend it (he said I would have to twist his arm to do it). He told me that your collagen is still growing and at 8 weeks it would have reached 80% growth. The other 20% could continue to grow for up to one to one and half years. So, there is no way I would want to do another 35% TCA Peel before 8 weeks.

So the plan is 12/30/02 get the mole and whatever it is that grows underneath it off, then mid to late January (when this removal heals) have a touch up peel on my problem areas (checks, chin).

I made him promise that he would not make me have a depressed or indented scar from this mole/cyst (which is on my cheek) removal. He said it would probably leave a line looking scar. He also said that the line scar would look much better than the raised mole that has shallow scars in and around it, which was caused from it flaring up so much. Hopefully the TCA Peel in January will help eliminate that line looking scar too.

I do plan to keep updating daily of any progress I have in my diary for maybe a week. After that I will probably update weekly. If anyone has any questions or comments feel free to ask me. I know I had a whole lot of questions before I had my TCA Peel.


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Tif :)
Hi Denise1,

Thatís great you are getting a TCA Peel. I know how hard it is to make a final decision. Wow, $300.00 is a great deal! I had to pay $500.00. Iíve seen it priced around $1500.00 - $2000.00 on some sites on the Internet.

That is exactly why I didnít do the Skin Culture Peel, I was scared that it wouldnít work good enough for $200.00 - $250.00. I wanted GUARANTEED results too. I talked to the lady that sells the SC Peel in the US and she said that the SC Peel isnít as strong as a TCA Peel and she said about 50% of the people get good results. So that wasnít good enough for me. I have WAY to many bills now to through $200.00 out the window! Like you, I have also done a lot to my face and the SC Peel probably wouldnít have done anything for me.

Did the doctor tell you to start using Retin A? My doctor told me to use the Retin A 2-3 weeks prior to the TCA Peel. Other places I called said that the doctor required that too. He prescribed me the Retin A 0.1%. My doctor said the longer you use the Retin A the better results you will have with the TCA Peel. The doctor also said that the Retin A will get all the dead skin off so the TCA Acid will penetrate better and give me an even peel.

Oh yeah, Why you are getting a TCA Peel? What are you trying to help or improve? If you are getting one to even out your skin, then youíre doing the right thing. If you are getting one for heavy scarring; then please have realistic expectations. It did help soften and smooth out my shallow scars but it did not wipe them out. From what Iíve heard it will continue to improve 8 weeks post peel. It really does give you nice smooth glowing skin. Itís good to have a good skin regimen after you heal to keep your skin looking radiant (you probably already know that).

Yes, I do plan on doing another peel in late January or early February. On my second Peel I was just going to have the doctor only do it on my problem areas, but now I think I want another Full Face. If I still feel as if I need a third peel then it will be just on the problem areas (shallow scars). Hopefully I will be happy with just two peels, but who ever knows what they will end up doing as the days go by.

Do keep a Diary for us to read. If you have any questions or comments for me I will answer them as soon as I can.




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Tif :)
My answers to your questions contained below, Tif:

Hi Denise1,
Thatís great you are getting a TCA Peel. I know how hard it is to make a final decision. Wow, $300.00 is a great deal! I had to pay $500.00. Iíve seen it priced around $1500.00 - $2000.00 on some sites on the Internet.

That is exactly why I didnít do the Skin Culture Peel, I was scared that it wouldnít work good enough for $200.00 - $250.00. I wanted GUARANTEED results too. I talked to the lady that sells the SC Peel in the US and she said that the SC Peel isnít as strong as a TCA Peel and she said about 50% of the people get good results. So that wasnít good enough for me. I have WAY to many bills now to through $200.00 out the window! Like you, I have also done a lot to my face and the SC Peel probably wouldnít have done anything for me.

Did the doctor tell you to start using Retin A? My doctor told me to use the Retin A 2-3 weeks prior to the TCA Peel. Other places I called said that the doctor required that too. He prescribed me the Retin A 0.1%.

***Denise1: Yeah....they said that over the phone. I got a bit pushy and told them that I wanted to have it done the last week of December when my son wasn't in school and I wouldn't have to worry about leaving the house. They squeezed me in tomorrow and have been very gracious. I told them I'd already been on Retin A micro for a while and they thought that that was good and would try to help me shoot for the end of December. They've been very accomodating that way.


My doctor said the longer you use the Retin A the better results you will have with the TCA Peel. The doctor also said that the Retin A will get all the dead skin off so the TCA Acid will penetrate better and give me an even peel.

***Denise1: Yeah, that's my understanding as well. The plastic surgeon I called actually recommended 6 WEEKS of Retin A use for the best results, which I'd never heard before.

Oh yeah, Why you are getting a TCA Peel? What are you trying to help or improve? If you are getting one to even out your skin, then youíre doing the right thing.

***Denise1: Pretty much for blotchiness and shallow scarring. I am one of those people who I believe has totally realistic expectations. I realize that genetically speaking.....I will have larger pores than most people. I do have some ice pick type scars and one boxcar type scar that may or may not improve. I'm not looking for significant improvement on those scars in particular. I'm looking more for evening out of skin tone, reduction of smaller scars, and a reduction of my sebacious hyperplasia lesions, which respond well to exfoliation over time. The lady at the plastic surgeon's office said that my expectations sounded very reasonable.

If you are getting one for heavy scarring; then please have realistic expectations. It did help soften and smooth out my shallow scars but it did not wipe them out. From what Iíve heard it will continue to improve 8 weeks post peel. It really does give you nice smooth glowing skin. Itís good to have a good skin regimen after you heal to keep your skin looking radiant (you probably already know that).

***Denise1: No, I don't have severe scarring. I'm very realistic I think in my expectations. And...I may have to get 2. That much I do know. And....even if my shallow scars completely disappear, I'll still have to contend with my other scars.

Yes, I do plan on doing another peel in late January or early February. On my second Peel I was just going to have the doctor only do it on my problem areas, but now I think I want another Full Face. If I still feel as if I need a third peel then it will be just on the problem areas (shallow scars). Hopefully I will be happy with just two peels, but who ever knows what they will end up doing as the days go by.

Do keep a Diary for us to read. If you have any questions or comments for me I will answer them as soon as I can.

***Denise1: Thanks so much for the encouragement and advice. I'm glad you're happy with your results. I've been wanting to get a TCA for over a year now and hope that it'll give me some reasonably good results.

Thanks again!


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