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Irene, of course, but just wanted to make it clear because in the past many have incorrectly assumed such comparisons were being made.

Soconfused, yes, a very valid point about the tests for diseases....however, again, it's still apples vs. oranges, as biological diseases are not based on behaviors but on real physical symptoms. Let's use diabetes again; a diabetic will pass out or go into a coma, maybe even die from the disease, so there is no question that something is biologically wrong with that person. Diabetes can kill....can ADD....we know Ritalin can kill...ask Larry T. Smith, or go to his website.....insulin doesn't kill diabetics; blood pressure meds for people with high blood pressure don't kill, antibiotics don't kill people with infections. So why does Ritalin kill?

Do kids with ADD have physical symptoms....do they pass out, shake uncontrollably, have severe pain, throw up, run a fever, become too weak to move, etc. etc. Are they lacking coordination, have tremors, fall down for no reason, etc....any "neurological" signs of that sort? If it was a neurological disease, it would have to have some of those symptoms. If dopamine was such a factor as they claim in ADD, why aren't these kids having horrible tremors, since lack of dopamine causes parkinson's disease?

You see, there is no real sense in connecting a behavioral, learning or emotional problem to a neurological disease. And stimulants have very bad effects on the brain, heart, liver and nervous system; they can literally cause motor tics, depression. So wouldn't you want to be absolutely sure stimulants were the only way, with real biological confirmation?

Have you heard of Dr. Fred Baughman? Dr. Peter Breggin? They have websites explaining alot of this sort of thing.

Anyway, to answer another question, yes, my son had many of the criteria of behaviors they list of ADD as a child.... I had spent countless hours lecturing him, dealing with school stuff. In those days (he's now 25), meds were virtually unheard of. But guess what. He matured; he outgrew it....it might be a newsflash to the psychiatric world but, it is possible without drugs.....
[QUOTE=Jennita]Irene, of course, but just wanted to make it clear because in the past many have incorrectly assumed such comparisons were being made.

Soconfused, yes, a very valid point about the tests for diseases....however, again, it's still apples vs. oranges, as biological diseases are not based on behaviors but on real physical symptoms. Let's use diabetes again; a diabetic will pass out or go into a coma, maybe even die from the disease, so there is no question that something is biologically wrong with that person. Diabetes can kill....can ADD....we know Ritalin can kill...ask Larry T. Smith, or go to his website.....insulin doesn't kill diabetics; blood pressure meds for people with high blood pressure don't kill, antibiotics don't kill people with infections. So why does Ritalin kill?

Do kids with ADD have physical symptoms....do they pass out, shake uncontrollably, have severe pain, throw up, run a fever, become too weak to move, etc. etc. Are they lacking coordination, have tremors, fall down for no reason, etc....any "neurological" signs of that sort? If it was a neurological disease, it would have to have some of those symptoms. If dopamine was such a factor as they claim in ADD, why aren't these kids having horrible tremors, since lack of dopamine causes parkinson's disease?

You see, there is no real sense in connecting a behavioral, learning or emotional problem to a neurological disease. And stimulants have very bad effects on the brain, heart, liver and nervous system; they can literally cause motor tics, depression. So wouldn't you want to be absolutely sure stimulants were the only way, with real biological confirmation?

Have you heard of Dr. Fred Baughman? Dr. Peter Breggin? They have websites explaining alot of this sort of thing.

Anyway, to answer another question, yes, my son had many of the criteria of behaviors they list of ADD as a child.... I had spent countless hours lecturing him, dealing with school stuff. In those days (he's now 25), meds were virtually unheard of. But guess what. He matured; he outgrew it....it might be a newsflash to the psychiatric world but, it is possible without drugs.....[/QUOTE]
I have to say that is great that your son was able to grow out of his ADD symptoms.. I also feel the need to say that I to was never put on drugs as a child and that is fine. I feel that my need to correct my "faults" is a big part of me being able to get along in life but the truth is I never "grew out of it" The daily issues of life are much more difficult for me than for someone w/o ADD and the stress of just finnishing something makes starting it almost impossible untill that is I got help. I can now do every day things and not get flustered. I can organize my thoughts so that I can complete tasks. These things may seam little but to someone with ADD they are HUGE.

I did not know how much easier and satisfying one day could be untill I got the help I needed.

Point: not everyone grows out of ADD...





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