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[QUOTE=LauraLu]Andy, you will not suffer "withdrawl symptoms" because it is nonaddictive. You can safetly take "medication holidays" without worrying about any kind of withdrawl symptoms. Be aware, that you must be weened off of antidepressant drugs that are sometimes used for ADHD clients. This can be severely dangerous. Ritalin will not harm your body or mind if you just stop taking it.[/QUOTE]

Laura with all due respect that is untrue. Have you ever taken Ritalin? Have you taken it for extended periods of time and then quit one day? If you have, you know that many people DO experience withdrawl symptoms including depression, lethargy and lack of energy. When I was taking it, I frequently went on "drug holidays" when the meds would stop working, to make them work again. I would quit for maybe 2-5 days and they were the days from HELL. I could not get out of bed. I had no energy, no motivation and pretty much no reason to live. I'm not saying it is dangerous to quit this drug "cold turkey", however, it can be quite uncomfortable if not downright painful. Talk to some addicts, we'll tell you.
[QUOTE=MariaMarchita]Laura with all due respect that is untrue. Have you ever taken Ritalin? Have you taken it for extended periods of time and then quit one day? If you have, you know that many people DO experience withdrawl symptoms including depression, lethargy and lack of energy. When I was taking it, I frequently went on "drug holidays" when the meds would stop working, to make them work again. I would quit for maybe 2-5 days and they were the days from HELL. I could not get out of bed. I had no energy, no motivation and pretty much no reason to live. I'm not saying it is dangerous to quit this drug "cold turkey", however, it can be quite uncomfortable if not downright painful. Talk to some addicts, we'll tell you.[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately, those withdrawal symptoms are passed off as part of the person's "medical condition" typically by the medical community, thus people have come to believe there are no withdrawals. Addictive drugs must have withdrawals to be addictive, that's just how it goes. But even though amphetamines are addictive drugs, somehow if they are given by a doctor, magically they are not.

You know, addiction itself must include compulsive behaviors; otherwise, they don't consider the fact that the drugs also cause physical dependancy, they only look at any "drug seeking behaviors" or "euphoria-seeking behavior" or compulsive tendencies to define true addiction. But physical dependancy and tolerance-building(the need for higher doses for same effect) are components of addiction, and this is what is ignored and so are rebound/withdrawal effect on the body and brain once the drug is stopped.

Dependancy is physical; it can happen to anyone, not just addicts. Add unwanted behaviors like euphoria-seeking, psychosocial issues and compulsions and then you've got addiction. This is why people believe the drugs are not addictive, and it's true if one is not seeking an euphoric effect or is abusing the drug....however, one can be physically addicted, aka dependant, on the drug. THis is what is over-looked; physical dependancy is not considered real "addiction" in the medical world....they need to get their heads out of the clouds here and realize the physical part of addiction is just as important as the behavioral, especially in the case of prescription meds, where usually the person on the drugs is not in it for the same reasons addicts are.
[QUOTE=brainf0g]Dependency and addiction are two completely different issues. Both go through a withdrawl, but the person with the addiction gene cannot stop thinking about the "drug of choice". Even after they're completely detoxed.

Having withdrawls doesn't mean addiction. Addiction is defined by consequences.

People abused as children have a higher chance of becoming abusers themselves, not because it's learned per se, but because they are affected by this abusive environment during "critical periods" of early development. The way they are affected during these critical periods becomes part of their actual biology.

Therapy can 'fix' this somewhat, but once it's "hard-wired", you're looking at no less than a decade of work to "rewire" these connections as an adult. It isn't a matter of just unlearning behaviors, it's part of your brain's biology.

AD/HD is a biological disorder and can be diagnosed biologically, like I've told you before via SPECT scans.

People with AD/HD have an abundance of Dopamine Transporters compared to someone with a "normal" brain. These additional transporters ADDers have, reuptake dopamine within the synapse, leaving a less than sufficient level for cell communication.

In a basic sense, Ritalin doesn't stimulate the release of dopamine, like Adderall. This is the reason Methylphenidate isn't dangerous like amphetamines *can* be in high doses. Ritalin binds to dopamine transporter proteins, thus blocking the reuptake of the brain's normally released Dopamine in the synapse. This 'naturally' leaves more Dopamine readily available.

Amphetamines can be dangerous if they 'excite' the brain to release more Dopamine than their "threshold". If this happens, free radicals can form and brain damage sets in. This is why antioxidants are key with people taking questionable doses of amphetamines. The limbic system is particularly damaged in high doses of amphetamines. This is why depression is prominent with methamphetamine abusers.[/QUOTE]

Well, at least you know the difference between addiction and dependancy. Lord, the doctors that told me I couldn't be in withdrawals because I wasn't addicted!!! Now, they surely can't be that dumb, they were all board-certified at a top establishment in our area. I think they either were that brain dead, or were given misleading info from drug reps, or simply in denial. Perhaps they believed addiction and dependancy were not separate issues. Perhaps they believe in fairies and goblins too....

I get you on the whole re-uptake thing vs. releasing thing.....yes, no doubt the amphetamines are worse, but re-uptake bothers me too, from what I've learned about it. Reuptake interfers with what is normal metabolism of these chemicals...I'm also referring to AD's and serotonin too. This can cause adverse effects and wear out the receptors, so to speak, over time. The new research on AD's found a damaged serotoinin system from the reuptake serotoin drugs, the SSRis' in rat studies. I know we are different than rats, but those are the same rats that we found got cancer from cigarettes(well, not those exact rats, literally; their heirs perhaps :D )

So if reuptake from SSRi's can damage serotonin receptors after long term use, what about reuptake of other receptors, like dopamine? I think it's worth a thought, you know?

Those brain scans are a good idea, but I still think since all brains are not alike, as in we don't have the same fingerprints, it doesn't prove disease. Large groups of people obviously have this "defect" in common, but there is no proof it's a defect or disease, but rather a different response to learning stimulus. Also, brain chemicals are constantly changing due to growth, food, outside factors, sleep, necessary processing for body functions, etc.

Lots of ADD kids have high IQ's and when they are stimulated correctly, without drugs(tutors, different learning method,etc) they respond. I typed in Visual Spatial Learners and found a whole other view on ADD.

The drugs they give for ADD are questionable, in health and mind's well-being, causing OCD, mood-swings, aggression, sleep problems, stomach aches and fatigue. I know because my nephew was taken off Adderall, then Strattera, for such problems. Off the drugs, he no longer has such symptoms. And a new teacher, a new year brought him a better school year, without drugs....go figure.

So we still do not agree on most things, here, however it was refreshing to hear someone clearly have a hold on the whole addiction/dependancy thing and well put by you... :)





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