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Karen,

Please don't call me Goody/Bob. It is not cool for a guy to be called a goody. Baddy Bob we can do. :D Damn TID's still at work.

Ok, let me try to get serious here because you ladies have a very serious problem on your hands. Me and kjrunner are close psychological twins. OK, she's smarter, but we've established that the gals rule the roast on this broad. Good to see Rheanna back in play. Let me tell you I am an experienced ADHD practictioner, that sort of means that I know what I am talking about, sort of. Point is Rheanna's posts nail topics with zero error tolerance.

Here is a suggestion: Rheanna, Callista, and kjrunner get in the brain biz. Help a few people and make a few bucks to boot. I'm like shrinks, I expect to get paid for my work. I guess I'm evil too. All three elucidate brain abstractions that my stoggy 55 yo brain can't easily wrap around better than any book written by a "professional." There is something to be said (negatively) about people that don't have the bear by the tail telling people that have the bear by the tail how to manage said bear. Know what I mean?

Incidently, Karen, I'll get to the point. I got up very eary this AM. You and Shuz's made me go to bed too late, (a classic it's all your fault ADHD ploy) read Amen's book "Healing ADD." per kjrunner's recommendation. That is the book that uncovers all my old tricks. One of my favorite old trick was starting arguments because agreeing is boring. I guess it is not quite as bad as starting a war to liven things up, but I tell you true, I came close on numerous occasions. Anything ring bell with daughters situation?

What the heck am I talking about. Yes, my meds have pooped out. My ADHD brain is straining to keep the thread. Normally I'd edit a tangental ramble such as this but I am not so you can see one of the things ADHD does to me. Tangents And Arctangents And Digressions so off topic that what does this have to do with the price of gas. Put this unmedicated brain in a classroom where no one "believed in" ADHD or even heard of ADHD for that matter and my handle became StupidProgrammer. I know I sound stupid but I am not stupid I am ADHD.

I am amazed at how early what we are presents itself. Want to know what I daydreamed about in high school when I was suppose to be listening? Logic gates. Logic gates are transistor arrangements in our CPUs. The CPU in our computers not head. Ok, I'll come clean, I daydreamed logic gates .009 per cent of time. I was a teenage boy. Do you know what teenage boys think about 99.991 per cent of the time? :D Yeah, you do. Keep those bad doggies away from daughter till worthy wolf turns up. I designed logic gates because I couldn't come up with a meg and third bucks for a Univac. The thing was a piece of crap anyway.

I tell you some good news about daughter.

1. She can beat everyone to the finish line. Her problem my problem, don't ask us how we got there. If creativity is rapid problem solving like rapidly solving software abstraction problems, I am creative. Per Callista. I see how to do it first. I know how to do it first. I just can't do it first because once problem is solved it's boring and writing code is boring as can be. I am working on someone else doing the writing again.

2. Your daughter is a born leader. She doesn't follow rules, she makes them. Harness and control that and she'll fly. Don't stick a round plug in a square hole. College is cool. Some crafts can't be learned any other way. But if said craft is not ADHD friendly it is going to end in disaster - per kjrunner. The thing I like about higher education is getting a broad knowledge of everything. We may part paths here but my experience is higher education does not guarantee higher income. One third of all college grads work at jobs not even remotely related to their degree. The ticket to making dough is two fold. 1. Do what you enjoy doing because that is what your good at. 2. Make sure first that what you enjoy doing is something people are willing to buy. If daughter and college are bad mix, point her to good mix. Bill Gates quite college. He is able to make a living.

Now, finally, Baddy Bob arrives.

RE: [I]I see that kjrunner experienced great fatigue with Strattera. My daughter sleeps enough as it is (but not diagnosed with depression)...that wouldn't be good for her, especially if she's heading back to school. Addprogrammer has mentioned a couple of times, I believe, about getting through the "first couple of weeks" with the drug. Bob, could you be more specific regarding the side effects of Strattera that you were talking about? [/I]
Don't have to be more specific. Same thing. I couldn't stay awake. I did stick with it and after a few weeks the fatigue cleared up and yep, not a half bad ADHD med. The intolerable problem for me was things that are suppose to happen when two people are married weren't happening. I'll give up a lot to conquer ADHD but not that.

Goody,

Another "thing" about ADHD is how we read. We cheat. I ask myself at a subconscious level what is this about. I target that. Once I think I got it I stop reading. I rarely read more than 50% of the words. That caused a major factor you revealed to fall through the cracks. Your daughter is managing life pretty well, if you ask me. I doubt if her ADHD goal is to party less. Only four parties a week? Either everyone in the sixties was ADHD (and that is possible) or four parties per week is three parties short for an 18 yo. I am not saying its good. Teens have been known to do dumb things. I just don't think its ADHD.

It could be that your best med choice is no med. Your daughter and I differ at a fundamental level. I couldn't do the work. I wanted to but couldn't. She can and does. I don't think she'll come away with bozo level self-esteem like I did. I'm sure you know, but just in case, low self-esteem is the worse ADHD consequence. Low self-esteem makes life miserable. And it is irreconciable. I know I am not stupid but I'm stupid so I must be stupid. Then we set goals and self expectations accordingly. Why not become a dope fiend. At least I'm good at that. I'm not kidding. Low self-esteem does things like that.

You gals aren't going to MAKE ME stay up late again. Out of here.

Bob





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