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[QUOTE=no patience]i don't know how to take you'r response but unforunatly in this one it's the way it was i knew alot of the people there and let me tell you 30,60,or 90 days clean just wasn't so. i went with a friend when i first got off methadone and her and a bunch of people offered i wasn't saying the councelor did but let me tell you in this society it happens these people go there do all the drugs they want and a drug test is nothing to them if they are required to take one .when i looked up info on methadone you know what popped up how to beat a drug test i know you probably think this did'nt happen but come to pittsfield mass and find out it was a typical n/a meeting[/QUOTE]

I`m not going to invest alot of energy in debating this one. Will about benzos, to my last breathe as the evidence on that topic is scientific and vast, and the stakes are very high. Do not go to NA if you do not wish to. Your choice as is everything else discussed on this thread. I have been to some small NA meetings with a friend, no drug using, all quite serious about staying clean. There are also members on the net that seem as serious about recovery as people on here. But surely there are people in NA and AA that are court ordered and not serious. That woud not concern me however. I would not be there for them but for my recovery, and am sure I could find others like myself.
Kayleigh,

I can understand now why you would not feel at home in NA meetings, as your aim all along was to control a medical condition, not to get "high." You said a very key word, "tolerance." If it were not for tolerance I would not be here. I would be going along happily taking my initially prescribed dose of tranqus. They benefited me, but turned on me, delivering withdrawal symptoms and demanding higher doses. There is no end once this happens. The demands will go up and up until you are taking enough to kill you.

As to the "social anxiety disorder," "generalized anxiety disorder," well unless one was real uncomfortable around people, in social situations, in crowds, before the drugs, then what one is experiencing is drug withdrawal. Common with coming off or havng come off of a variety of drugs, incuding alcohol, opiates, benzos, cocaine, etc. The drugs handle the brain`s pleasure and/or calming centers, and once off, there is an re-adjustment period where the brain takes back control of these areas. I have faith in my body to do this, and believe it is presently doing so as I slowly reduce my drug intake. Part of the price to pay. No fun, but will be worth it in the end.

As to how to best address your chronic pain, I have no clear answers, other than to just wait until you can have surgery and hope that helps. As to taking the occasional Vicodin on an as needed basis, Jennita may be correct. Also, I suggest trying your best not to worry. This never helps anything unless it quickly motivates someone to actions that prove beneficial. If there is nothing one can do about something worry is only harmful.
[QUOTE=howard678]Kayleigh,

I can understand now why you would not feel at home in NA meetings, as your aim all along was to control a medical condition, not to get "high." You said a very key word, "tolerance." If it were not for tolerance I would not be here. I would be going along happily taking my initially prescribed dose of tranqus. They benefited me, but turned on me, delivering withdrawal symptoms and demanding higher doses. There is no end once this happens. The demands will go up and up until you are taking enough to kill you.

As to the "social anxiety disorder," "generalized anxiety disorder," well unless one was real uncomfortable around people, in social situations, in crowds, before the drugs, then what one is experiencing is drug withdrawal. Common with coming off or havng come off of a variety of drugs, incuding alcohol, opiates, benzos, cocaine, etc. The drugs handle the brain`s pleasure and/or calming centers, and once off, there is an re-adjustment period where the brain takes back control of these areas. I have faith in my body to do this, and believe it is presently doing so as I slowly reduce my drug intake. Part of the price to pay. No fun, but will be worth it in the end.

As to how to best address your chronic pain, I have no clear answers, other than to just wait until you can have surgery and hope that helps. As to taking the occasional Vicodin on an as needed basis, Jennita may be correct. Also, I suggest trying your best not to worry. This never helps anything unless it quickly motivates someone to actions that prove beneficial. If there is nothing one can do about something worry is only harmful.[/QUOTE]
thanks howard your post makes alot of sense i did'nt take any klonopin today as i told jennita as i told you i was weaning down i feel ok but i know klonopin has a long half life so it could be that also nixed the vicodin and am going on a fentynal patch which is a narcotic but it lasts 72 hrs so i would'nt have to keep popping pills so i'm gonna do some research on it before i put it on because i don't want to end up in a hellish nightmare again thank you for your concern you and jennita both have been so helpful kelleigh





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