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Ah hah, that Mick and the gang knew the score, way before most of us!! But I think most people thought only the abusers had problems with the drugs, but we've learned differently, right howard?

Well, benzo withdrawal did not make you get a cold; however, when one is in withdrawal/recovery, the immune system isn't up to par and you can get sick alot easier....also, aches, pains, etc. are more likely too. It's just because benzos do effect the muscles. Valium has been used as a muscle relaxant.

In fact, when I used to be in the support group, there was a bodybuilder who hurt his back and his doctor gave him Valium for the spasms. He only took it for a few months intil the back healed, and not a very high dose. You know what, he went through the typical withdrawal symptoms for a year...anxiety, insomnia,tinnitus, etc? The man had absoulutely no history of such things...he just hurt his back. Goes to show, the stuff has potential to mess anyone up!

Anyway, I got sick with colds/bronchitis/infections alot too in the beginning, but now I think it's been about 2 years since I have been in a doctor's office. My new doctor must wonder where I went off to! :D

Well, I'm sorry you have to go through this under such stress with your job and all. Do you do anything to de-stress like mild exercise? I know it's hard to exercise amid withdrawals and work, but it doesn't have to be much, maybe only a few minutes of jumping-jacks, walking or bike. A few sets with light weights.

I exercised even on almost no sleep; of course, I couldn't do much but I did what I could. It was very hard for me, I remember one day during only a few minutes of aerobics at home, I actually started crying while I was doing it because I was so tired out! Tears were pooring down my face from nothing but shear exhaustion (I only did a few minutes) I'm glad I was at home instead of in an aerobics class...goodness what would that have looked like?

Oh well, now I can exercise again quite well. Anyway, it might be good for you...your'e not training for the Olympics, so any amount/type exercise will do the trick! I know from experience exercise will not take away withdrawals, but you might feel a bit better and keep your blood pressure down, since withdrawals can raise it in some people. Also, you may feel less stressed. Of course, maybe your boss sounds like he needs to de-stress too :bouncing:
Kelleigh,

Sorry I was not on yesterday, but my ISP was down all evening. Thank you for the encouragement. You beat methodone, great, just hope you tread softly with the Klonopin.

Jennita,

Was funny in my case, Xanax was a good sleep aid for at least a year with no tolerance building. Valium was a much better one but only for a month. It has some real strong sedating effects for a while which, like some said on a forum, subside in about a month. I deal with withdrawal symptoms but am not sure how much is related to cuts, how much to tolerance, guess there is no way to differentiate and thus know. I am glad the lady was trying to work. I have done it with little or no sleep. Some of us, unfortunately, when it comes to that will have to go down swinging if we go down at all in that regard. I have read of people that could not answer the telephone or door while tapering. Well in my case, there would be no telephone to not answer, no door either unless it be that of my automobile but when a cop is knocking with a flashlight, you got to answer, benzo withdrawals or not.

As to SSRIs, not interested here, too risky, and they often speed people up which is the last thing I need.
[QUOTE=howard678]Kelleigh,

Sorry I was not on yesterday, but my ISP was down all evening. Thank you for the encouragement. You beat methodone, great, just hope you tread softly with the Klonopin.

Jennita,

Was funny in my case, Xanax was a good sleep aid for at least a year with no tolerance building. Valium was a much better one but only for a month. It has some real strong sedating effects for a while which, like some said on a forum, subside in about a month. I deal with withdrawal symptoms but am not sure how much is related to cuts, how much to tolerance, guess there is no way to differentiate and thus know. I am glad the lady was trying to work. I have done it with little or no sleep. Some of us, unfortunately, when it comes to that will have to go down swinging if we go down at all in that regard. I have read of people that could not answer the telephone or door while tapering. Well in my case, there would be no telephone to not answer, no door either unless it be that of my automobile but when a cop is knocking with a flashlight, you got to answer, benzo withdrawals or not.

As to SSRIs, not interested here, too risky, and they often speed people up which is the last thing I need.[/QUOTE]
howard thats ok one question whats is an isp ? you're welcome for th encouragement and the klonopin i'm not taking the prescribed dose hopefully that will be in my favor hope you're well talk to you soon kelleigh :angel: :)
[QUOTE=howard678]Well, I will take the addict label and believe in slow tapering, am down pretty low now. I had a very stressful week and would love as the Rolling Stones put it, to "take four more of these" but the eventual consquences of that scare me more than withdrawal symptoms. Can we imagine eating 20 blue Valiums a day and still not getting relief? These are damnable drugs to be sure.[/QUOTE]

That is a horrifying thought!!!! :eek: !!!!!!!! :eek: I got a little taste of something like that when I could take 2 mgs. Ativan( worth around 20 mgs. valium) and not only wouldn't sleep, but was bright, wide awake and sharp...not so much as a little lightheaded. That scared me enough to start looking into the drugs more...
:eek:
Hello Howard
Nice to speak to you at last.
I am just appalled at what you tell me about the forum - cant talk to an admin? Wonder if Ray has finally flipped?
And I have little time for those mods who I met during my taper - you can keep them!
Like you I started off at 30 mg valium - dropped 5 - 10 quite rapidly and then dropped in general about 2 mg per 2 weeks until I got to 15 - wee hiccup then - stuck for a bit - then resumed at 2 mg till I got to 10, 1 mg till I got to 5, 1/2 mg until I jumped at 1/2. Never looked back. I had pretty dreadful withdrawal symptoms for most of the time - but I dont need to tell you. You have read Ashton? Its all there - she is my bible! The woman has it! Hope you manage on as ever.......... I am having to dash out now - will speak again.
Must just say that yes I think the medical profession esp in the US is profoundly ignorant. Mind you Xanax maked humungous profits for pharmas and doctors - so there is your answer? IN UK we are luckier - doctors are inviting in all regular users of benzos to discuss how to get off. Its a real hot topic here all the way up to Govt. You are not so lucky. I am glad to hear you have managed to get valium. The seizure thing is true too. There is a girl in here - Rosie - who had a seizure when she was taken off just .5 mg xanax peer day. No joke? She is not on a lot just now as she has just been thro detox for opiates - but she is doing just great - but she is still to get off klonopin - she has read her Ashton - maybe you could help her?
Jennita has been a tremendous adviser to you!
Must dash - but I am here and if I can help - and I will be able to with this taper I am sure - just bellow!
Good luck, friend
Mise
Murphy,
Howard gives you good advice.
The work addiction doesnt really describe the position as Jennita says - technically it is iatrogenic addiction. Its a dependency caused by use - and very short use too. The British National Formulary and Prof Ashton say that all benzos - and that includes the very very potent ones like xanax and klonopin so popular in the US - recommed using for a maximum of between 2 - 4 weeks. And NOT suitable for use for anxiety or bereavement! In fact they even lose their efficay in a matter of a short time - a month or so. The pharmas know damn well and the doctors are either stupid or just getting rich (xanax makes literally billions of dollars for its makers and prescribers). These mind alterning drugs were produced for anaesthesia - a one off - how in hell's name can drugs like this be safe for anyone not undergoing surgery?
If you have been using for more than a few months (and bear in mind there is no abuse involved here - just being taken as prescribed by your doctor) - you are almost certainly well and truly hooked. If you doubt this - just stop taking the K - it has a long half life and you will notce nothing for about 2 days and then see if anything happens? If you can stop - then good for you. If you have withdrawals then you must use a slow taper method for getting off - as in the Ashton Manual (free now online).
Murphy - if I were you I would ask your doctor what is protocol will be for withdrawing you from the drug - if he doesnt give you reasonable answers - then change doctors. This is serious stuff - dont be fooled by ignorant doctors. There are many of them out there. And your withdrawal will be months - if you are on 1 mg K that is equivalent to 20 mg valium - a pretty large dose.
Take care - get as much info as you can - there is loads on the net. You need to do something if you have been on for a matter of some months or years because there drugs actually strart to produce the very symptoms for which they were prescribed.
And one of the most common side effects of benzos is anxiety. So you are perhaps taking the drug which in fact is causing you the problems. If you want I will bump up an old thread that tells you about side effects of taking the drugs.
Do you know now that in the UK its a real hot topic. All doctors are calling in their long term benzo users with a view to planning their withdrawals. Our own Prof Ashton is in touch with our Health Minister for change in regulations for GPs to assist patients from getting off benzos.
Information is power.
Its all in your own hands - especially if you are in the US.
Good luck
Mise
[QUOTE=mise ata ann]Murphy,
Howard gives you good advice.
The work addiction doesnt really describe the position as Jennita says - technically it is iatrogenic addiction. Its a dependency caused by use - and very short use too. The British National Formulary and Prof Ashton say that all benzos - and that includes the very very potent ones like xanax and klonopin so popular in the US - recommed using for a maximum of between 2 - 4 weeks. And NOT suitable for use for anxiety or bereavement! In fact they even lose their efficay in a matter of a short time - a month or so. The pharmas know damn well and the doctors are either stupid or just getting rich (xanax makes literally billions of dollars for its makers and prescribers). These mind alterning drugs were produced for anaesthesia - a one off - how in hell's name can drugs like this be safe for anyone not undergoing surgery?
If you have been using for more than a few months (and bear in mind there is no abuse involved here - just being taken as prescribed by your doctor) - you are almost certainly well and truly hooked. If you doubt this - just stop taking the K - it has a long half life and you will notce nothing for about 2 days and then see if anything happens? If you can stop - then good for you. If you have withdrawals then you must use a slow taper method for getting off - as in the Ashton Manual (free now online).
Murphy - if I were you I would ask your doctor what is protocol will be for withdrawing you from the drug - if he doesnt give you reasonable answers - then change doctors. This is serious stuff - dont be fooled by ignorant doctors. There are many of them out there. And your withdrawal will be months - if you are on 1 mg K that is equivalent to 20 mg valium - a pretty large dose.
Take care - get as much info as you can - there is loads on the net. You need to do something if you have been on for a matter of some months or years because there drugs actually strart to produce the very symptoms for which they were prescribed.
And one of the most common side effects of benzos is anxiety. So you are perhaps taking the drug which in fact is causing you the problems. If you want I will bump up an old thread that tells you about side effects of taking the drugs.
Do you know now that in the UK its a real hot topic. All doctors are calling in their long term benzo users with a view to planning their withdrawals. Our own Prof Ashton is in touch with our Health Minister for change in regulations for GPs to assist patients from getting off benzos.
Information is power.
Its all in your own hands - especially if you are in the US.
Good luck
Mise[/QUOTE]
we haven't formally met but my name is kelleigh i've read your posts and lets just say i like em .i'm on klonopin to and howard informed me back on page 3to flush it which i was'nt to thrilled about at the time but now i read every word all of you right. i've been on it 5 weeks i know it's not long but i'm doing my own little taper because all of your stories horrify me . i started this post when i first joined the boards and i'm so happy that all of this is being written because it's opened my eyes to yet another sh-tty drug thanks mise all of you have informed me .well nice meeting you kelleigh :wave:
[QUOTE=no patience][COLOR=DarkOrchid][SIZE=3]hi howard yeah i knew you had'nt taken very many of them so is everything you're not still on leave are you ? it really seems like things have goten a little better for you you must be so proud of your self when to you discover that your body was dependant on benzos i've never really gotten your full story and did you decide it was time to get off or did the dr just think you did'nt need them anymore forgive me for being so forward but i was just curious (i'm always curious huh) hope i'm not offending you in anyway because i know you're a very private person hope to chat with you soon hugs kelleigh[/SIZE][/COLOR] :angel: :wave:[/QUOTE]

I`m better. I decided it was time to get off Xanax when I tried to cut down and went into major withdrawal symptoms. Benzos (Valium, Klonopin, Xanax, Ativan) are like any other dope. Once you are hooked you are either going backwards or forwards. Forwards toward off of it, or backwards and dosing higher and higher to get the same affect or to just simply feel normal. There are no other choices. I decided to go forward.





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