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[I]The 12 steps are based on false assumptions and misleading information and many of those who are not familiar with the research into genetics and addictive and maladaptive behavior assume that addiction is a disease. [/I]

If there is [B]one thing [/B] that we've progressed with science and addictionology is that the defective P3 chromosome is indeed genetic. It's how we respond to pain and ador pain relief. They say one may never become addicted if you never experience it. once you have you're done. Every male in my family tree was an alcoholic. Alcohol is a hard drug to hide from. My mother felt free to "crown" me the only heroin/opiate addict in the family. They're both linked but I was put on some serious pain medication so I had no choice to experience it. But to the topic....

3/4ths of you jumped off the subject TOTALLY, the question was about the [B]12 steps[/B], not "XA" The sustainence of life is behind the support not 12 hypocrytical steps and rewards.

The 12 steps are pure nonsence why, ill only name "god" if you want ill go on...

All of a sudden this higher power doesnt have to[I] be[/I] god, It can be anything...

-it cant be methadone or buprenorphine or naltrexone though because Sam, Bill, Will or whom ever lack knowledge of science and dont know how the brain functions.

-If it doesnt have to be god, then why is "god" stated in the 12 steps...

-Ok, god can be anything, right? your god can be a door nail, why does it state that "god" is a man" [I]as we understood [B]him[/B]?[/I]

Yes, ive said I go to a thursday night meeting and I love the people, but I do it to keep one person alive that I love, the program is based on support, do any of you practice the twelve steps alone in your room? I really dont think so.... Recognise that you people who attend XA are bonding and helping eachother, which makes YOU all strong individuals and a team, not weak minded fools of which the 12 steps say you are going they're to heal you. Give your-self and humanity some credit for your recovery.

And as far as the statisics, and as further as prescription drug users thinking they're too good for NA, until last feb. In the last 2 years I've gotten a knock on my door every friday night and handed 14 to 24 grams, heroin/cocaine. I still filled my Oxy's and percs, 60 80mg tabs and 180 10mg tabs. Am I a "street person"? So am I half better than NA and half NA material? Neither....

[U]NA Statisics and majority of people who attend[/U], people who have, stole, stole from their parents, children, prostituted, strong armed robbed, been in jail, ect. These people were chasing the drug more than using it. XA gives them a better quality of life and keeps them off the street, Making them better parents, and feel better about them selves. You may not be that person.. you may be richer than s*** and never did ANY of that. I didn't. Minimal habit?? How did you're body take it? Say im stereotypical? I get the statistics for people who leave the treatment centers and if they're attending meeting, plus my [B]BLAH![/B] is a probation officer. [B]Point =[/B] you cant push NA, support groups or AVRT on people who have very little left in their brain. That is up to science.

CADE





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