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Re: First post
Feb 3, 2005
Hi and welcome.

That's really great that you want to stop the madness. That's some daily dose you are taking and I won't begin to imagine what it's like WD from it. I was doing a fraction of the norco for a year and it was still tough to detox off of it.

Lots of people here have tried the sub/bup roue and some have had good results.

Personally I didn't need it but again IMO I'm not too crazy about going on one drug to another. I wanted to get clean. You can do that to if you are really really willing to bite the bullet and taper for a while. I'm not trying to influence you in any way but you asked what some people thought and that is my opinion. Differnt things work for different people and I am very happy to read when people say how the suboxone let them function without the madness of addiction.

Of course I'll also say that it's really hard to do it alone. You said you have a doctor supporting you and that's great. Having a fellow addict who has some clean time to talk to is a wonderful thing too. That is where NA/AA and an addiction psychologist could come into play. I am currently involved in all three of those and have been clean for 19 days. Small potatoes but I've been an addict for 20 years and I feel free of the murk for the first time I can remember. You can be there too, no doubt about it. It's just how bad you really want it and how much you are willing to prepare yourself and bite the bullet through the first really few tough days. It will get better after a few days, and after a week or so you'll be in the "pink clouds" which is a really great feeling. A feeling of awakening, elation, and rebirth.

Then of course the real work begins. Staying clean. The literature of NA/AA has really helped prepare me for the work to come in finding a new way to live and how to react to the world around me without blunting my emotions with drugs.

I may have said 'me' a lot in this post but I really mean YOU as in YOU CAN DO IT TOO.

I'll never forget the first call I made to my addiction councelor when I was a few days from my last pill. I was stating to him that I'm not realy to quit because of work, etc and that I wanted a few more pills to tide me over for when I am ready. His response was that "YOU SHOULD BITE THE BULLET" and get clean. Those words haunted me for a few days and I followed his advice. "It will be uncomfortable but you will be fine", he also said. As well he said, "the psychological aspects of opiate WD tend to make people think it's worse than it really is". "Keep busy, stay nourished and hydrated, go to meetings immediately, and call me whenever you want", he said. And you know what? Once I was armed with this support I went head on into CT and made it through MUCH easier than a month before when I ran out of pills and was absolutely sick and miserable waiting for more. I did prepare myself dose wise for a couple of weeks as well leading up to the CT day.

Rambling now, but your post excited me.

Keep us posted on your progress.

Mike
Re: First post
Feb 3, 2005
Mike said -
"Personally I didn't need it but again IMO I'm not too crazy about going on one drug to another. I wanted to get clean. "

I think we have to be careful with how we use the word "clean." I have been on methadone for the past four years and I consider myself to be "clean." I think too many people get wrapped up in this idea of trading one drug for another, when really the issue is about being able to live a fulfilling and productive life. We all get clean in different ways and sometimes what works for one person may not be the best thing for another. I think it is a wonderful thing if someone is able to get off opiates without the use of methadone or suboxone. I am not a big fan of AA or NA for my own personal reasons, but that is not to say that there aren't a lot of people who get a lot from those meetings and they have helped a lot of people. In fact, it has been shown that methadone is one of the most successful treatments for opiate addiction....one of the reason's being is that the recidivism for opiate use is very high...most addicts will tell you that cravings and staying off of opiates is far worse than any of the horrible withdrawal symptoms that they go through. One thing that doctors and neuro-scientists have found is that it actually takes the brain a good five years to heal from the affects of opiate abuse. Opiate abuse damages certain receptors in our brains - thus making it hard for our brains to produce endorphins, or natural opiates. I think one benefit of methadone and suboxone is that they give the body time to heal, while we work on ourselves and getting our lives back together...which usually includes counseling. One thing that I have heard about suboxone is that it is easier to get off of than the meth.

I battled with opiate abuse for over six years and I couldn't quit...and when I did manage to quit for a week, or a month or even a few months at a time I always ended up back to them again somehow. I couldn't do it anymore - to myself, to my kids, to my family. I truly do not believe I was going to quit any other way. But that's me.

You are the only one who can decide which way is best for you. As someone else said, we all get clean in different ways. It doesn't matter how you get there...just that you get there.

Good Luck.
Sue





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