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Shelley, sounds like definitely the taper was way too fast and caused the WDs. A slower taper will ease, but not likely eliminate them. Not sure if anyone has posted that they have done a taper where they experienced absolutely no WDs at all....I just don't know enough about that part since with all aspects of my failed efforts to taper.

Shelley you say you miss the pills. That suggests that maybe you have not yet experienced the full maddening cycle??...not sure...sounds like you may still be partially in Phase 1 maybe bouncing between 1 & 3?? Hard to sort out because once I reached Phase 3, I hated those damn pills and have trouble envisioning missing them once Phase 3 is reached, but maybe that is just me. Sorry, just trying to sort out in my mind where your level is so I know better how to respond to try and help you. Please read below and post where you think you are, assuming that any of it even matches any aspect you are personally experiencing. I say that because the following phases are based only on my own personal experience, and perhaps my perspective is a lil different than many on here because it seems my actual experience maybe was a lil different. It seems that many here may have progressively chased the euphoric feeling which lead to addiction. I did not. My experience is more from the prospective of the hell one still goes through even you chose the other fork in the road...staying within your rx. Experiences like mine, I think really demonstrates both roads lead to Hydro Hell. Let me explain what I mean, and of course this is only my own perspective based on what happened to me, but here goes.

There is a very dangerous murky zone where for a period of time in the cycle that dependency and addiction is crossthreaded. Folks either catch the alert signs and jump off the merrygoround w/taper or CT;[U] or[/U], they escalate from dependency into addiction and then end up in taper or CT eventually anyway. So, either way both roads lead to same end. Assuming that, then there is a case to be made for more effective dependency management before it escalates into addiction. The real problem is with situation such as yours with chemotherapy and anti-cancer med pain, do you have other viable options?

This is what I experienced with "the cycle", and again there will undoubtedly be variances among individuals based on their own history, length of use and level of use, etc. I was prescribed hydro for pain management for back pain and fibromyalgia. The following is my experience with "the cycle":
Phase 1, Euphoria Phase: [/B]
In addition to the pain management properties of hydro, we all know in the beginning there is a "euphoria window"…everything is great…lots of energy, the world is wonderful, sex is great, can life just get no better??? During this phase, I would “miss” the pills but didn’t get sick without them. I thought....pffffft, what is all this s**t about being bad for ya…not for me, man I feel great…(sound familiar?…read on).

[B]Phase 2, Blunted Phase aka Dark Hydro Haze Depression: [/B]
Window #1 began progressively closed as my tolerance grew. Euphoric feeling as well as the pain management effectiveness slowly fades away and is replaced by emotional blunting and detachment from people and things. During this phase I was headed for trouble but not a clue. Begin experiencing mini WDs between doses. I was functional but miserable. I was able to work and do things….but enjoyed nothing… I began to mechanically go through life…just wanted to go to bed and pull the covers over my head and frequently did so when no one was around to see me….would stay home from work and just go to bed….a very dark Hydro Haze depression set in.

[B]Phase 3, Mini Hydro Hell:[/B]
The crazy sounding phase that most might find incredulous unless you have experienced it. The Drug Demon gets ugly and plays dirty pool. At this phase, my body was in full dependency. Every morning I would wake up feeling sick with feelings equivalent to Day 1 of WD cycle---the very first waking thought before I ever lifted my head off the pillow was needing to take my pill. I had now reached the phase where my current rx level was only giving me short term WD relief pain management/no euphoria. Worst yet, I now had a pain level that far exceeded the pain level for which I was prescribed the stuff to start with!!! My body sensories were hijacked…boomeranging on me….giving me sharper pain signals DEMANDING for the pain to be treated. When I didn’t comply by giving additional drugs, the response was MORE PAIN and misery….anything to MAKE me give it what it needed. My brain started thinking .....seeeeeeeee, you HAVE pain...go know that you REALLY NEED it...go ahead. But, I didn't...God knows why not, but I didn't. I sure thought about it...a lot. Found myself looking up info online on how to get other sources. Lord knows what snapped me into my senses, but thank God something did and gave me the strength to home detox.

[B]Phase 3: Hydro Hell Detox WDs[/B]
For the benefit of others reading...much is posted on this phase throughout many threads. This phase is about 5-7 days with Days 2-3 usually the worst for most. Some folks are able to manage work and handling responsibilities; some are not. Best advise is plan a week off or plan detox where the 2 day worst days are on your days off, but be aware you may call in sick a day or two beyond that. There is a post-detox mini WD period, but you will be able to resume work, functioning ,and meeting your responsibilities. During post-detox WDs, you will feel much better, but probably not great. It took time to get you here and it will take time to build back your system.

Shelley, where, would you pinpoint yourself at this point? Hon, a major concern I would have about your situation is that I know you are understandably troubled about drug dependency/addiction risks. But, does your doctor think you will be able to cope with the chemo and anti-cancer med pain issues ok without pain med assistance? What a crappy dilemma you are in having to navigate this, bless your heart. I just hope your doctor has an alternative plan for you to cope w/the pain issues.

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