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Suboxone is ONLY used for the treatment of opiate dependency, so your hunch is probably correct, if she was asking for money for sub treatment, she probably has a dependence to opiates. People who use opiates often use benzos as well, to help them relax and unwind, or to help with withdrawls when they can't get opiates.

The problem here is, your friend needs to want to help herself, and it doesn't sound like she is ready too. Opiates cause many strange behaviors in people, and honestly, your best bet may be to take her up on her offer of staying away from her. She has already used you and lied to you to get money for treatment, and now won't even discuss it. She used you, which addicts are famous for.

My advice would be to cut your ties and run, before she drags you down even more emotionally. I know that is rough, but until she is ready, nothing will change....and it's not an easy battle for someone who strongly wants to quit opiates...many months if not years of recovery and relapses are usually involved.

You're a good friend for wanting to help, but it's really probably a losing effort at this point...and working in a bar won't help her situation. My advice...let her go.

mano
Yes, it is hard to walk away from a friend, but she is walking away from you...she has a new best friend, opiates, and her life will revolve around them. Personally I would say something to the effect of "hey, I am here for you if you ever want to get some help and change your ways", but really, sometimes you have to walk away for your own sanity...It's called tough love, and your friend doesn't want your help now it seems. Maybe this will change someday.

She doesn't necessarily have to hit rock bottom, but it usually takes something pretty bad for a wake up call, like being arrested, or losing the ones you love, or overdosing, or becoming a financial wreck, etc....and even then the struggle can go on forever, especially with opiates and benzos, which are by far the hardest drugs to stay clean from, IMHO...

An opiate addict is usually either filled with euphoria when using, or acting sick and nasty when not using or not using enough. The fog is not looking at things in there proper perspective, because nothing matters when they are high...not people, not money, nothing....Kind of like being intoxicated on booze, only being able to hide the buzz and function quite well for many years, until we really get messed up.

You are a good friend, but you can't save someone until they are ready to be saved...if you remain a "friend", it will probably be so she can use you, as she has in the past already....Didn't you give her money for suboxone and it disappeared? Suboxone bought on the street is usually for one purpose...to ward off withdrawl until the next fix comes along.

mano
wow very intense conversations...mano, i agree with most everything you say. my son is on suboxone now for a week...he was buying them on the street before this. he was buying them becuase he knew they were his last chance...and we werent going to allow it..we had a change of mind when we began to understand more about addiction..and the withdrawels and the other side of him that comes out..and he basically told us he cant help himself and he needs help..so unless we threw him out and told him do it cold turkey and come back when you are done, we chiose this option..im not 100percent for it..he is being tested weekly for benzos because they dont mix with suboxone..we are talking death and i think he knows that much. while its only been a week, hes doing well and hes comfortable and calm..i know this stuff has to be weaned and is additive too, but im looking for the lesser of 2 evils here..hes looker for the lesser of 2 evils..we live 1 day at a time..It is easy to tell another that they need to cut ties with a loved one over addiction...and deep down in my heart i know if i had to do it to my son i could. I hope friend doesnt have to do that. does every addict have to lose alot to become clean? like people,cars jobs,family, homes??





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