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My advice: Find a new doctor. Seriously, you have to be kidding me. I get so angry when I hear stories like yours. Now, I don't know anything about your addictive tendencies, so maybe there is more to your story. But if what you're saying is true....you really need to find a doctor who is willing to treat your pain better.

I am a chronic pain patient and what you are taking is very little. There are many pain patients who function in society every day and are on much more medication than you are...AND...who never abuse their medication.

First of all, there is a HUGE difference between addiction and dependence. Anyone who takes narcotic pain medication for any length of time will become physically dependent on them. If I were to stop taking my meds tomorrow, I would feel sick...physically and mentally. If you take EXACTLY as your doctor prescribes and you don't take more to get that high, then you are probably not addicted. (Again...I don't know you're whole story, so I am just commenting on what you wrote).

What does throw up a red flag of addiction is your statement about wanting to buy your medications off the street. This is a behavior typically associated with addiction. HOWEVER, if you are in pain and being undertreated by your doctor (which it sounds like your case), then you might be tempted to get pain relief where ever you can. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE do not to to the streets. You need to find yourself a good pain managment doctor who will treat your pain effectively. Once your pain is under control, hopefully your thoughts of going to the streets will subside. If not, then I believe an addiction may be developing.

I have been under the care of a wonderful pain doctor as well as a pain psychologist. He has really helped clarify the differences between addiction and drug dependence. If you have any other questions, I would love to help you.

Only YOU truely know if you have a problem starting with addiction. If you feel you are just trying to get some pain relief, then I suggest you posting on the Pain Management board. There are a bunch of wonderful people there to answer all of your questions.

Edited to add: Data shows that only a small percentage of chronic pain patients actually get addicted to pain meds. Most confuse the physical dependence for addiction. Once they come off their meds, they go on with life as is. It's that small percentage of people who do become addicted to meds...and they usually have addicted tendancies to begin with.

Best of luck to you.
10sox
if you dont want to get hooked stop now with a taper . at higer doses it will be so much harder . where i live they dont give out narcotics for chronic pain unless your like 90. because of the large amount of people that get addicted daily. i live with siatica fibromialgia an arthritis in just about every joint .low impact bike streching has worked for me. an the pain is better when i am more active . i was taking the same amount for a bike wreck it was trying to suck me in . if you dont want to reach full blown addiction you will learn to an find other alernatves to deal with the pain . the percs will make you feel that way . first make you feel good then more more more an the side effects after years of use can be deadly. something is telling you to taper an find other ways. its to bad painkillers help for short term use . my md said to me 1 time i wish there was a drug that he could persribe that would kill the pain without the damageing side effects. :)good luck an make the right choice. oh nurses can be very compationate . but this one takes quite alot meds oh there is a very fine line between dependance an addiction if you think your there you are. i am a recovering addict
[QUOTE]First of all, there is a HUGE difference between addiction and dependence. Anyone who takes narcotic pain medication for any length of time will become physically dependent on them. If I were to stop taking my meds tomorrow, I would feel sick...physically and mentally.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]Edited to add: Data shows that only a small percentage of chronic pain patients actually get addicted to pain meds. Most confuse the physical dependence for addiction. Once they come off their meds, they go on with life as is. It's that small percentage of people who do become addicted to meds...and they usually have addicted tendancies to begin with.

Best of luck to you.
10sox[/QUOTE]

these quotes are so true. i am going thru Methadone detox (on Suboxone) and i am a chronic pain patient that had 3 back surgeries. My body is VERY dependent on the Methadone but my head tells me otherwise. I want off them SO very bad but the physical dependence is very strong. so i am powering thru this body ache and severe calf pain of Suboxone to detox off of Methadone to see just how much pain i am really in without the pain meds. If i am still in actual pain that i cant handle with OTC meds then back on pain meds i will go for my quality of life and the quality of my kid's lives. A good pain doc would know this is what is important and not under medicate you. Best of luck!
do alot of research on this it will help , there is a very fine line some have not educated themselves to realize there is a very fine line .so fine between dependence an addiction ,it does vary but those of us who are already addicted know, its like taking the next step down the stairs ,from dependence to addiction . been there first hand , i will because of your situation say try sub or methadone they are both pain killers also, hope things get better soon scott:):wave:
As I see from another post here that recently was having some issue about taking pain medication and addiction, and I mentioned to her obviously the same thing her husband did as a theory to look at..Would you take away or quit taking medication for high BP or Seizure disorder because of addition concerns or take medication to help live as normal as you can....I believe her husband went w/ high BP and Heard disorders....But, no matter what the medical problem sometimes we have to be on medication to live life to the fullest we can.

Being a long term pain medication person myself I have went through the same questions, concerns,anger and depression of having to take medication. I think many at one time or another have had to deal w/ such a issue but, once we realize that we are living for us, to bring us comfort and happiness to be a part of life and not sit on the side lines and always watch life as it pass by. We are not trying to avoid anything in life w/ self medication, we are trying to be involved in life and doing what we need to feel less pain to be a part of those family events that we all enjoy......Yes as time goes by our medications will have to be altered whether it be increase of dosage or an alternative medication, and that stands w/ any kind of medication for any medical reason, again even seizure disorder, heart, migraines or high BP, it all changes at some point, it doesn't mean anything bad is going on, it means our body has adjusted to the medication and needs something more to help continue w/ living normal....

Sometimes I have been able to take Motrin or Advil in replacement of one or 2 of my daily doses of narcotic pain medication and that does make me feel better at times, but I also wear a fentanyl patch as well. So if at times where the pain might not be as persistent as other days maybe something over the counter will help you and that will make you feel better that you didn't have to take narcotics and it is all about relieving the pain, not about taking medication period...If your doctor is giving you a rough time, I definitely would seek a second opinion...Don't allow yourself to suffer because of someone else's opinion..You know your body better than anyone....
Yes, I have the same issue. Been on pain meds for six years for severe degenerative disk disease. My problem is (are), I have to keep taking increased doses because of tolerance levels, the drug really doesn't ever fully take away the pain, I hate the feeling of "needing" the drug to avoid WD symptoms and just to even function, but most importantly, my life and my personality have changed drastically....and not in a good way. I don't know if it's the pain making me miserable, or the pills. Either way, I find very little joy in life these days and have withdrawn from most family and friends. I want my old self back. So, since the pills aren't helping all that much with the pain, and I hate being on them, I want to try going without them and look for some alternative treatments.

But that's just me and I do have an addiction history. I'm sure there are many others who manage to take the pills on an as-needed basis, and not get out-of-control as I did.
Everyone here has given you really good advice. Let me just tell you that I am a recovering addict but also a pain management patient. It is a fine line to walk but luckily for me, what I abused was not an opiate/opiod. Therefore I can take my pain meds and it does not set off my addiction. Although I do have a greater chance of abusing them since I am a recovering addict.

However, the reason that I started using was because I was in your spot exactly. I was taking Percocet and it was not really taking much of the pain away. I was also drinking occasionally on top of it. I did not want to drink but it was the one thing that helped to take the pain away. So I did what you are thinking, and turned to the streets which was a huge mistake. I wish that I could go back and change things but I can't.

The one thing that i can tell you is that I am on the fentanyl patch & Vicodin and use them as they are supposed to be taken. I do not ever take more than I am supposed to and I only take them to treat the pain and not to get high. It took awhile to find a doctor to treat me fairly and justly. I agree that you should definitely find another PM doc or even talk to your primary care doctor about it. Is any of your pain from nerve issues? If so there are many non-narcotic medications that are used to treat nerve pain. There are medications like: Lyrica, Neurontin, Trileptal, Cymbalta, and Ultram(weak narcotic). If you have any type of nerve pain then ask your doctor to put you on one of these. Nerve pain is very difficult to treat and even harder to cope with. I always say a person doesn't truly know pain until they have experienced nerve pain. I would not wish it on my worst enemy(well maybe):D If your PM doc does not want to add anything else then it is definitely time to see another doctor. good luck and keep us posted.

brian

p.s. you might want to post over on the Pain Management board too
You're not addicted, you're under-medicated. Read some articles on the net after googling addiction vs. dependent. You'll learn a lot If your problem truly is arthritis, you might try glucosamine, a vitamin supplement. It will take several months before you see a difference but it could happen.





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