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when i saw the overall amounts of actual tylenol consumption that you drouser and esp you anita are and have been taking i HAD to mention this to you both. only becasue of the overall amounts of the tylenol both of you have been consuming daily for actual YEARS here that for you drouser, with 14 norcos a day with 325 mgs of tylenol in each pill comes out to around 4,928 mgs per day? and anita, your daily intake was just way over that safe limit at even the fifteen per day was at, only becasue lortabs contain 500 mgs of tylenol, 7,500 mgs and any days you actually took the 25 per day was at an actual 12,500 per day intake and just soo way over what is the recommended "occasional" usage of just 4,000 mgs per day. but when that is used on a chronic or daily type basis that actual safe limit will go down to about 2000-3000 mgs(and could be lower or a bit higher depending upon YOUR real sensitivity to your liver and tylenol itself)only because that very needed enzyme used to actually metabolize tylenol gets way too depleted being really heavily utilized at the chronic/daily level it simply cannot replenish itself that quickly anymore since it just IS being kind of drained way too fast. the thing here is, anytime you just go well over that 'safe limit' per day, and that needed enzyme gets depleted since it is just being used up doing heavy metabolizing all day long, it reaches that point where once it is gone that day, anything that comes into the liver TO be metabolized it actually creates what is called NAPQI, and it IS a hepatotoxin that will start killing of the liver cells(hepatocytes) within your liver. this IS liver damage that depending upon just how truely impacted the functions are can start creating function loss of the many different functions our livers just do everyday for us.

i am sooo glad you have gone off of this anita, truely and drouser, if you need that extra push/reason to actually completely stop this as soon as you possibly can, THIS just IS the very BEST reason for you to try like hell to get there. while drouser, your daily intake was indeed over that even "occasional" usage amount but not as high as anitas, you still can create that very same problem as much as what the possibles just are here for anitas daily intake was. it all more depends upon that 'chronic intake over years here? this can also impact the kidneys too just depending upon how massive the over the limits the intake was and also at that chronic daily intake amounts? and if at any time while taking the higher amounts of tylenol and you may have also consumed any alcohol, since both tylenol and alcohol simply use that very same enzyme for metabolization, that can kind of up the possibles for more cell damage and scarring that eventually comes along with alot of repeated cell damage too?

my best advice to the both of you would be to please see your docs here for full physicals, tell him or her what has been going on so they really are aware of what has been an ongoing medical issue and they will simply do all the right bloodwork to check esp that liver. or despite telling your docs really being the very best way to approach this for the best possible care and full evaluation of everything that simply can be impacted is the very best idea, you can just ask for the full physical and tell them you really want the labs done too? either way you seriously just NEED to make certain that neither of you, esp you anita, has truely suffered any function impairments within your livers. you just really DO need to know what may or may not be a much bigger issue that needs some attention soon?

while the liver CAN regenerate itself over time only if that 'toxin" creating the damage is stopped and not introduced again, that all really DOES depend more upon just what specific areas and functions of the liver have been truely damaged and how severely too. once the damage reaches that certain point, it will not come back again. i just really really DO want you both to be okay here and make certain that you seriously DO at the very least here, get those liver labs checked just to make certain you know whether or not there just IS a possible function issue somewhere. if there IS, you seriously DO need to know now, not later when some insane symptoms start showing themselves. the sooner this gets found out the better it can possibly be treated too.

trust me her when i say that no one truely really even knows what just is going on anywhere within their own bodies til it either presents itself with certain symptoms or it actually gets found out with some type of testing. i was actually born with a very progressive form of a kidney disease that also has attacked my liver as well. i did not have a freaking clue til our youngest son presented with a liver disease like 11 years ago and i had to be tested for it and it WAS passed onto him from me without ME even knowing i had this crap going on since birth. unfortuently i DID go thru my own addiction to painkillers back in the 1980s and also consumed wayy too much tylenol than i should have. luckily for me, after 5 years of this crap i did manage to seek treatment for it and stopped. things would not have been good right now if i hadn't trust me. like i said, you just really don't know whats going on inside of you til you do some looking and testing.

anita, you really really DO espescially need to get your liver labs checked out here soon hon. the massive amounts of tylenol that you just have been taking in were just so wayy over that safe limit for even occasional usage let alone that chronic usage intake too. if by some chance you did suffer some damage, the mere fact that you are at where you are right now with not actually taking anything anymore is HUGE for you, and something to be VERY proud of too believe me. but please do, for you and your familys sake get this checked out just so YOU know where you are at?

no one just really truely knows what their own real safe limit is either til you just check and see whats going on with that liver and the functions too. who knows here, you may not have sudffered as much cell damage as some others would? but finding out just IS crucial right now. and it seriously would be a very very good idea to also let your doc know this too? that is what i did and believe me not only was he soo helpful, but by doing this, you also have just prevented the possibility of having a relapse by making certain you have cut off THAT potential 'supply" as well should you ever even be tempted again?? you do THAT part only because we are addicts and we have to take any possible steps when we just are in the 'good' place in our heads to try and prevent ANY possiblitys here of even beginning to start trying to justify anything in our heads that may allow us to use again when we are NOT in that good place at times later? that part alone truely helped ME in big ways from even thinking of going 'there' again, ya know? we just need to keep ourselves safe from ourselves by a little planning ahead for certain times that justifying things again so we CAN use are not and option.

but i DO really hope that both of you will get your livers checked out for your sake and the people who do care about you too. hopefully everything is okay, but you just DO need to know that part. good luck guys, Marcia

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