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[QUOTE=marbelmo;4688609]Carolyn,
I usually am in the Pain management section, but saw your post and wanted to help a bit.
As someone who's taken tramadol before as well as antidepressants I understand your dilemna and concern.
First of all, Hang in there!
Reducing a pill per day is not a bad idea, but when you get down to the 3 or 4per day range I'd switch that to a pill per week.
I assume these are not prescribed?
Internet purchased or something along those lines.
Do you have any access to a benzo of any kind?
If so, one long acting benzo per day would help eliminate any chance of seizures as well as help your WD symptoms.
No more than one per day through the taper though. Benzo addiction is not one you want to WD from!!!!
You're already doing great by starting a taper.
One more thing. If you can, stop your zoloft for the time being. You're already getting plenty of SSRI uptake inhibition with the tramadol.
plus, re-starting the zoloft when you get down to the end of your taper or close to it will help alleviate a LOT of the withdrawl you feel.
Try it if you can and please don't give up.
Your children deserve to have you around for a long time.

Take Care![/QUOTE]
Thank you so much for taking the time to help me...Ive been waiting all day for someone to share some advice. Since I really havent got much advice yet, I just read other peoples blogs that went through this and listen and learn to all the great advice they had durring their withdraw. So once again Thanks for your kind words. It means a lot.

I really dont think I could get my hands on any any benzos but I do have some valium--they may be expired but if not im sure i could get some from my mom I could just tell her my insomnias kicking my butt...Would that help with seizures? That is a great idea about my Zoloft!! I think you may be on to something there...I was worring id have to increase my dose in the end...which is something i really didnt want to do....Let me know your thoughts... on the Valium.

Heres my thought on how i feel today considering the good high feeling is all gone. I hate Tramadol!!! I feel absolutely great! scared but great! Went to the grocery store and then for a walk all alone. felt like everything looked clearer and all my senses were so much more sharper. I miss the old me so bad. Would u believe i didnt even take my second dose till 6:30 tonight. I didnt even want it and i felt i didnt need it but i took it because im scared. wish I could just get this over with!! Im gonna really have to sit down and crunch the numbers with the amount of trams i got left. I think Im gonna be better of cutting fast and then the lower the dose the slower ill taper--cant run out when i need them the MOST! Tonight instead of taking the 6.5 half pills i was suppose to i just took 6. So now im down from 16 50mg trams to 12.5 50mg--Im sure ill hit the wall soon but for now I feel good-I feel alive again.

Anyway Im sure I will be up all night....Really hoping to hear some more advice from anybody. Thanks again.
Hi Carolyn,
Well, the valium is a good long acting benzo and has a long half life so if you were to take that at bed it would help you sleep and should stay with you long enough each day to [I]help[/I] eliminate any seizure issues. Another type of medication that would also help would be something like neurontin or lyrica. Not sure if your familiar or even remotely have access to these.

Yes, I would do what you need to not to run out of tramadol.
When you get to a lower dose you will want to remove only one tablet per week. I know it gets tempting to hurry out of this, but please beleive me when I tell you it will be WAY more comfortable to reduce slowly at that point. The fact that you're already tapering and, thus, not chasing or expecting a "high" from the pills is the MOST important mind-set you've already aceived.

The B vitamins are great and crucial to keep your nerves in check.
Exercise like the walk you mention are also a great way to get your own endorphins flowing again. As you get lower with your dose and things get a bit harder, the more exercise you make yourself do will work wonders for you.

You probably already know that tramadol is a mild opioid type medication with SSRI properties. So the tricky part of coming off this type of med is because you have mild opiate WD along with the horrible SSRI antidepressant discontinuation discomfort. That's why I think eliminating or at least lowering the Zoloft until the very end of the process and then kick it back up to midigate the wd symptoms would really help. And, as I'm sure you're aware the more you take combined with the tramadol increases your risk of seritonin related issues.

Just keep the faith and remember that this too shall pass and you'll be fine.
99 percent of your battle ended when you decided to stop trying to get that supermom feeling from the medication.
Thank you both so much. I especially thankful for the idea to cut the zoloft and kick it back in when Im done w tapering. The Valium worked wonders-never ever cared for them at all. But last night I think I slept better then I ever have in my life. But yep the Valium is all i pretty much can get- I can get hydros in fact I have a few that I was saving for the bitter end.

Wanted to fill Johnstar in about my pain issue. I ended having a toothe thay broke and turned absessed while i was pregnant-Dentist wouldnt work on me that late into my pregnancy-did give my hydro which is safe and antibiotics. Once the infection went away I didnt hurt and didnt continue to use the hydros. After I had the baby the pain came back and my insurance got dropped--so when the pain came back it was terrible. couldnt pick my head up off the pillow- well w a newborn a three yeer old, and a five year old that isnt happening-- My grandmother offered the tramadol for help-thinking they were lot less addictive then her hydros. Well thats when I became supermom! Even though I had the teeth fixed i kept taking them- from other sources on the internet. I had no idea for a while about the ssi factor in it-which was deadly combo with my zoloft and when i realised i was stupid and thought o well that wont happen to me. Grandma was worried because her daughter my mom- was a heroin addict since the age of 16 as well as my father was. Which unfortunately they r both in the methadone clinic today-Which they are called LIFERS! Well not my dad anymore...he passed 2 years ago.

My Dad passed away two years ago. Accidental Overdose or sucide from heroin- he was really depressed after withdrawing from methadone-we had no idea he was doing heroin again...he had started getting hooked on xanax then he o/d. they locked him up in a crazy ward after the hospital refused to give his methadone dose of 170 mg after 10 years history of being on it-he had seisures and u name it-he didnt even seem the same anymore- this man was my best friend we spent 6 days a week together-u would never know he was high he raised my first daughter my bby sitting for her my first 2 years back to work- my daughter in him for bf. well when he got out of this crazy place he looked so hollow- i think it was his firs time straight in years-it was like a stranger- he couldnt do it he cried to me and i begged him not to back to the clinic i found out later he tried to and they turned their back on him telling he had a process do do before coming back---he explained he felt he was gonna use street drugs something he didnt for years-they didnt care- as a nurse begged the doc to let him-she knew my dad was a great guy-the doc gave in it was to late he was already gone out of the parking lot-so she says this all was only three weeks after of being clean. He called and said he was coming to my house that day to drop something off. Bu first he pulled over at shoppin center to do heroin and never mad it to my house. I just had shared w him i was pregnant w my second baby too. Talk about hard! That was the most difficult time in my life- besides this of course I dont think ill ever stop crying over him. He was the greatest man i even knew! Ive been in bad shape ever since then! sorry for so much but i wanted to share some background about my depression w u. I bet he would kick my ass right now if he wasw here. But let me tell you he was the smartest man i knew-especially when it came to this topic-addidtion and withdraw- I have found myself a million times in the past few days as ive been reading what will help...and i say oooooohhh thats why he always had this at his house or thats why he always took that vitamin, etc. Kinda wish he was hear to help me-even know he'd be so dissapointed in me. I know him he'd pack his bags and stay with me in us girls to the bitter end nursing me back to a sober life and take care of my girls for me. Hes the onlyone i ever had that really loved me that much to do it. With that said a tear drop just hit my key board so i will stop right there! :)

Anyway--I feel the same i dont want to use at all--in fact i still havent took my first dose yet-but i better now just to be safe...So sorry for all this chattering about my dad--Just wish he was here right now. Thanks for your support Johnstar and marbelmo....ya see this is not my first rodeo with addiction- i spend my entire life trying to help my parents kick their habbits--terrible waY TO grow up i know but its ok ive learned a lot-But now I have become them and dont want to put my kids through what I had to. Take care everyone and have a nice day---if there is anyone out there that might be reading this just know that you can stop. You just have to have a goal and the willpower to do it---

p.s.
Thank you both so much. I especially thankful for the idea to cut the zoloft and kick it back in when Im done w tapering. The Valium worked wonders-never ever cared for them at all. But last night I think I slept better then I ever have in my life. But yep the Valium is all i pretty much can get- I can get hydros in fact I have a few that I was saving for the bitter end.

Wanted to fill Johnstar in about my pain issue. I ended having a toothe thay broke and turned absessed while i was pregnant-Dentist wouldnt work on me that late into my pregnancy-did give my hydro which is safe and antibiotics. Once the infection went away I didnt hurt and didnt continue to use the hydros. After I had the baby the pain came back and my insurance got dropped--so when the pain came back it was terrible. couldnt pick my head up off the pillow- well w a newborn a three yeer old, and a five year old that isnt happening-- My grandmother offered the tramadol for help-thinking they were lot less addictive then her hydros. Well thats when I became supermom! Even though I had the teeth fixed i kept taking them- from other sources on the internet. I had no idea for a while about the ssi factor in it-which was deadly combo with my zoloft and when i realised i was stupid and thought o well that wont happen to me. Grandma was worried because her daughter my mom- was a heroin addict since the age of 16 as well as my father was. Which unfortunately they r both in the methadone clinic today-Which they are called LIFERS! Well not my dad anymore...he passed 2 years ago.

My Dad passed away two years ago. Accidental Overdose of heroin-we had no idea...he had started getting hooked on xanax then he o/d. they locked him up in a crazy ward after the hospital refused to give his methadone dose of 170 mg after 10 years history of being on it-he had seisures and u name it-he didnt even seem the same anymore- this man was my best friend we spent 6 days a week together-u would never know he was high he raised my first daughter my bby sitting for her my first 2 years back to work- my daughter in him for bf. well when he got out of this crazy place he looked so hollow- i think it was his firs time straight in years-it was like a stranger- he couldnt do it he cried to me and i begged him not to back to the clinic i found out later he tried to and they turned their back on him telling he had a process do do before coming back---he explained he felt he was gonna use street drugs something he didnt for years-they didnt care- as a nurse begged the doc to let him-she knew my dad was a great guy-the doc gave in it was to late he was already gone out of the parking lot-so she says this all was only three weeks after of being clean. He called and said he was coming to my house that day to drop something off. Bu first he pulled over at shoppin center to do heroin and never mad it to my house. I just had shared w him i was pregnant w my second baby too. Talk about hard! That was the most difficult time in my life- besides this of course I dont think ill ever stop crying over him. He was the greatest man i even knew! Ive been in bad shape ever since then! sorry for so much but i wanted to share some background about my depression w u. I bet he would kick my ass right now if he wasw here. But let me tell you he was the smartest man i knew-especially when it came to this topic-addidtion and withdraw- I have found myself a million times in the past few days as ive been reading what will help...and i say oooooohhh thats why he always had this at his house or thats why he always took that vitamin, etc. Kinda wish he was hear to help me-even know he'd be so dissapointed in me. I know him he'd pack his bags and stay with me in us girls to the bitter end nursing me back to a sober life and take care of my girls for me. Hes the onlyone i ever had that really loved me that much to do it. With that said a tear drop just hit my key board so i will stop right there! :)

Anyway--I feel the same i dont want to use at all--in fact i still havent took my first dose yet-but i better now just to be safe...So sorry for all this chattering about my dad--Just wish he was here right now. Thanks for your support Johnstar and marbelmo....ya see this is not my first rodeo with addiction- i spend my entire life trying to help my parents kick their habbits--terrible waY TO grow up i know but its ok ive learned a lot-But now I have become them and dont want to put my kids through what I had to. Take care everyone and have a nice day---if there is anyone out there that might be reading this just know that you can stop. You just have to have a goal and the willpower to do it---

p.s. thought id share this i the fedex pulled up friday with a deliver for me of tramadol! i never ordered them---even called the norm comp i order from they said nope they didnt ship them---isnt that strange--i just said nop not mine and she turned them back to the truck!
Just wanted to put a remider of where I am with my taper---today I took only 5-50mg at 10:30 and took my last dose at 6:00 which was also 5- 50mg- I know Im going kinda fast but I feel I am ok. So far havent felt any symptoms of withdrawal today :) Gonna propably take one of those old Valiums tonight -only for seisure reasons-I dont care for Valium never have. Will see how im feeling tomorrow- If I still feel fine Im gonna keep on dropping fast because i know its gonna get hard once I hit down to 4 or under--I guess my motto for that will be the lower the slower--and I cant run out and i refuse to ever buy this poison ever again. One great thing is Kids our on Winter Break next week so im gonna find away to have them go up and visit a relative for about 4 days. Still my husband will be here so I will be faking round 2 of the flu. (the whole family was sick with the flu last week).

Anyway Im so happy and proud i dropped those 6 pills already! But for some reasone that saying its Quiet before the Storm keeps coming to mind and Im scared :(
pretty much sweat all night-regret not takig the valium--took a rosearm light sleeping pill instead-was affraid of building tollerance of the valium-should have tooken it anyway for seisure reasons. Stomach hurts today too. So much for feeling great today.
The goal for today is only to drop one pill- half in the morning and half in the evening and for surely taking the valium before bed- so that would put me at 9 50mg of tram today---just took my 4.5 pills starting to feel better. Cant wait for this to be over!! Can feel the effects of depression kicking in--all i do is think about my dad and cry.

Miss him so much and wish he was here-this is how i was while i was prego and the doc made me go on zoloft and see a therapist for six months after i had the baby-no more therapy unfortunately-- I think i figured out why i took the trams 1. I was supermom and 2) I wasnt crying about my dad all the time. Gonna get through this just got to stop feeling sorry for myself! Its rediculous I know it is. Hes been gone for 2 years! I know hes not coming back. I need to except im all on my 0wn dealing with this stupid addiction!!! Wish I would have listed to more of his stories about addiction- it use to irritate me so bad when he would start talking about it!! I even remember telling him that! I was such as asshole! Wish he knew how sorry I am for all my rude comments.
Well just wanted to log some stuff- today i am trying for 8 total pills- 4 now 4 around 6. woke up with hot flashes a lot last night and achey legs rhis morning- Depression is better. just taking the 1/2 zoloft in the evening. I was experiencing a lot of anxiety yesterday -which is something im not use to. i noticed it would was really bad after smoking and i felt like my blood pressure was really high after too. Think im ready to kick that nasty habbit--

Ya ever notice how addiction goes hand and hand with other hobbies or addiction- When i was flying high with the good old buzz--i started smoking double and was addicted to my blackberry--wouldnt put the thing down-

Now im a little lost i gave no interest of playing on my phone or smoking-just dont feel as good or fun or intersting as when i was high. o well it was a lot of waisted time and money.


Ive been doing a lot of thinking about just gettin this over with since im still at 8 pills- i would like to just cut the last 4 pills at night and taper down from 4 --which i know is going to be the be the biggest battle--would rather have the extra pills left for a slow taper on the low dose-will see how i feel later--so glad i got the valium same me from the seizuring. just take it right before bed. Im sure i wont get any advice back so im just gonna go with my gut tonight and see if i can handle it mentally.
People will respond Carolyn, give it some time. People have been so supportive to me here. You are doing a great job and yes, slower is the best option. I would take that valium to be safe. Take it at night before bed. Even though it has expired, I am sure it is just fine and will aid in your recovery. My issues is with oxycodone so I am not an expert on tramadol, But I did take it a for about a month a few years back. I did not go over eight pills in one day however. If you can take it slow, and even though you do not want to get another script, it might be a good idea just to maintain a slow taper.
Thank you so much musicman3,

I was beginning to wonder if i had set up my post wrong. Not to mention i dont think Tramadol is very popular as other addictions which might make my title to my post very unintersting to someone that doesnt know of it. Its ok they though at least I can keep track of my doses....kinda feel really dumb and forgetful lately i literally have to go back to remember what my last dose was--Hope my metal clarfity comes back.

I did find out the Valium isnt expired though-which is cool. I dont worry about becoming addicted to them because i dont feel anything off them at all.

When I first started taking the trams it was once a day. The reason i loved them is they lasted ALL DAY! Istead of vicoden buzz being over in 3 hrs. I kept it at a once a day dose for a real long time I would say about a couple of months ago is when i started adding that second dose---thats why i was thinking of eliminating it this evening--not real sure on that though.

Today i got to file a investigation for unauthorized charges on my visa/debit card. some how someone reordered a script and i never ordered it-- Wondering how the heck this happened i called and my online pharmacy and they say is wasnt from them and have no record of it- how weird they are the only ones that have my cc# the other place i ordered from didnt take visa so id get a money order-- This should be humilitation im sure the bank knows what the heck ive been up to- once the fedex arrived i turned it away-i heard the pills rattling--boy it was hard but worth it. What a mess- But the good thing is my husband doesnt have access to this account to know what has happened or what ive been doing. Really hope i cant get into any legal trouble over this..if you think i should be worried please let me know....kinda stressing--fyi the rx co is a diffrent co. that i have never ordered from either--of course the number is disconnected....
i stayed at 8 pills yesterday. just wasnt ready to drop- today i will be dropping a whole pill - plan is 3.5 pills at 1030 and the other 3.5 at around 600 pm-- if i stay on schedule as well as i have i will have wnought to do my taper as planned. still talikg just 1/2 my zoloft and a valium bofore bed.

Feeling ok today. real tired but not too depressed. Managed to do a yoga and pillates session on my tv last night for my legs-which were killing yesterday. Not to mention went to Church last night--had to drag myself there but felt a lot better once i did. After that did some shopping to pick up a few things--just to excercise my legs some more.

This all i have to log for myself today.....
You are doing well Carolyn, do not rush it. If you feel you need to stay at your dosage a few days, do so. You want to do it right and safely. I know the feeling of wanting to get all the crap out of your system, but with tramadol, and the way it bonds to receptors in your brain, you want to make sure you go slow and steady, You will get through it and look back at it and you will be proud of yourself. Just do not rush,

I am not a doctor and my advice is only based on my research and opinions. I think the valium is very important. It will help in avoiding seizures (not that you may have them) but it will help in that aspect. You just do not want to get into a benzo habit because I have heard that THAT is truly hell on earth. I also do not like valium, like you. It has never done anything for me and find nothing alluring to that and other benzos. I will take it for a few nights next week when I finally finish my oxycodone.
Just wanted to log my dose goal for the day this morning around 11:00 I took 3 tramadol and this evening around 6:00 I will take 3 more. Can admit its catching up to me i know this because i caught myself checking the clock waiting fo my dose today for the first time---yikes that scared me--i have to keep my eye on the prize!! Sobriety is gonna feel so much better then these three nasty pills that might decide todays the day that they will cause me to seizure. Still taken the Valium at night along w half of my zoloft. I hink its smart to take the Valium right before bed. I dont wanna stay up to try and feel if there is a buzz from it- as i said i never liked them they never do anything to me- But I just wanna be safe.

Where i live it is below zero today. One of my favorite seasons is Spring. When I can put on my flip flops and play in the dirt with my flowers-this is what i do to make me feel close to my dad-it was his gig and i took over when he passed away and found out i love it too. This is another reason i want to get this over with now! Cant even imagine trying to sit out in the back yard and watch my kids play as im sweating my ase off withdrawing for this. Im so much better off now doing then waiting. That way when the season changes i will be healthy and hopefully happy and be ready to embrace its beauty enjoy my life like i use to.

Did a lot of thinking last night in my boiling hot jacuzzi tup last night about how much i changed from before i took the tramadol- I think its important to find every bad reason why i dont like this drug anymore. For me it is my appearance and how i quit taking care of myself. If i were to describe myself meaning the way i was would be nothing of what im like now. I was the girl that had her hair done every 8 weeks, eybrows threaded every 2 weeks, nails done every 2 weeks and always cared that everything mathced and went together perfectly. I havnt done any of that since i stared heavely using trams- I just didnt care. My hair has not been done since October nails are short not getting them done anymore. I just did what was necessary every day-which was being a good mom and take care of my kids. I use to love to clean even though i had energy in the beginning it faded. Id wait to the end of the day before my husband came home. Vacume -switch my laundry over-meaining 1 load a day--( w 4 girls in the house and 1 guy that isnt possible) oh and unloaded the dishwasher my husband washed before he went to work--not much. but to come to my defense i have a 1 year old,2 and 5 year old-that is one tuff job alone. So im gonna try and start caring about myself again. little by little i hope i come back.


Today my baby sister is turning 21 and is coming here soon i started slow cooking some country ribs at 1000 am for her. She expecting her old sister --she has no idea what ive been going through. i just dont have the energy to carry this day as i always do. I am like a mom to her. everyone expects everrything out of me- i always do every holiday here and anytime something needs to be done they all expect me to handle it--yes even my mom. hope i can get through this day. I always use to think about this day years ago when she turned 21 i use to say --omg ill be an old lady -i wont even wanna go to the bar w her young butt- lol. Now its here god id love to be able to take her out and have a blast- but i just dont feel like it- im sure she doesnt care anyway--shes not a drinker at all-- she dont do nothing not even smoke! But if i was up to it i know she would have went.

Anyway im gonna try and get motivated today and get some food in my stomach.
not gonna believe this. Today when i went to take my dose at 1030 my tramadol were missing from my hiding spot. I havent a clue if someone found them and took them or if i put them in a diffrent spot- ive went through everything they are gone. I had one tramadol in my hiddent in my wallet other then that i guess only time will tell if i will end up having a seizure today-i give up. Its in god hands now. I took a half of valium in hopes i wont have a seizure. I feel like im gonna lose my mind... my husband will be off of work at 3:00 and home all day tomorrow i guess he will be taking care of the kids. probably be way to sick to posting to u guys. Thanks again for all your support guys and i wish you all good luck on your journey. If anyone out there has faith in god. I beg you to say a prayer for me as im gonna need it.

Thanks again
Carolyn, take the valium. Do not get yourself worked into a frenzy about seizures. If you take the valium it will help, and you only have had a few days worth so there is nothing to worry about as far as addiction goes to that.
carolyn, musicman is right. take the valium.. and trust me when i say there are times when crumbs seemed like a milliion dollars to me! please take care and continue to write us if you are able. u are an inspiration to us and we are here to go through ur journey with u as much as possible.
OXYGIRL AND MUSICMAN,

Ya know how they say things happen for a reason? My missing Trams have still not been found-but my ipod w all my favorite music was found-it has been missing foor a good year. The only thing that is getting me thru this is music and hot baths and valium. Also thank god my husband was hope saturday and sunday to take care of the babies- Hes convinced from us having the flu last week that all theses symptoms are from the zoloft leaving my body becasue we all were not able to hold anything down....kinda weird how this all panned out. But I believe maybe god was trying to push me along wen he felt the time was right-When i do find those pills--i promise they will be flushed!!!!!!!

for the last two days ive been experiencing some major anxiety--I also have this shocking feeling that has been zapping me. the valium helps w that and of course the music. Today is much much better. I havent had a problem with sleeping which really surprised me--i do get up way earlier though which is good. Wish i had more to say -- just want this zapping shocking feeling to go away-if anyone knows what im talking about-how long does this usually last? Hope everyone is doing good-sorry havent been posting- just needed to keep my mind off things to keep my anxiety low.





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