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Re: DHEA problems?
May 2, 2005
Colleen,

Yes, our labs are very similar. Interesting!

I am slightly hypothyroid. I am on 15mg of Armour plus 12.5mcg of Synthroid (half a pill). I've been on this mix for 2 years now. The doctor suspects I have hashimoto's, but things have been stable for 18 months... my TSH is now 1.4. T3 uptake is 37.1, T4 is 7.8. The doctor said these numbers are good. I never noticed any difference in my fatigue since taking the thyroid medication. In fact, I don't think I've noticed anything different.

I don't have any swelling. (That I know of, or that I know to complain about!)

What brought me to the doctor's office was fatigue mostly. Some mornings I have a hard time getting out of bed... I can get my kids off to school and then I pass out in bed for several more hours. Then other days I'm fine and am able to function okay. I've been wondering if the debilitating fatigue mornings/days are related to high allergy counts in our area. (Which would stress my already over-burdened adrenals.)

Anyway, I'm on about 4mg of DHEA now... which I can tolerate. (It's 4-5 drops instead of 10 drops from this bottle.) And I'm taking this adrenal-stim cream... a very tiny amount. I've only been doing this for about 2 weeks... I think it's helping, but I don't know.

I'm also trying to get to bed earlier, eat right, am not exercising as intensely.

I believe I have over-taxed adrenals because of 10+ years of intense stress... I had a job that required major travel with lots of stressful situations. (I don't work there anymore, thank goodness.) And then I had two children within 2.5 years. Plus a mix of other high-stress activities. The fatigue just got worse and worse over the years. I'm hoping that I can heal my adrenals so I don't have this overwhelming fatigue anymore.

What are your symptoms?

--CarrieLynn
Re: DHEA problems?
May 3, 2005
Hi Carrielynn,
My symptoms currently are fatigue(although it is improving), some swelling (that has improved also), occasional low body temp and heartrate.
I had a baby 9 months ago and that is when my problems started. I feel that pregnancy really puts a stressor on hypo women. My doc never increased my med during pregnancy and I really felt dragged down the whole pregnancy. Luckily, after 4 years of infertility, I do have a healthy baby girl.

After I had her, I developed joint pain and severe swelling. I went to one endo who wanted to lower my thyroid dose and then another who steadily increased my synthroid every 2 wks and added t3. I think he caused more harm than good. I think the t3 burned my adrenal glands. My body just couldn't handle it. I actually gained weight and finally when he increased me to 200mcg synthroid and 5mc of t3 I stopped going to him. Stopped the t3 and felt great and then crashed again. Since that time I am seeing a naturopathic/holistic family practice practioner. I really like the fact that these types of doctors address the root cause of a thyroid problem. She lowered my synthroid to 175 and now I am on 162mcg. We will give this 6 weeks and she says maybe then we could add some t3 for unresolved symptoms such as swelling. She has me on the dhea spray (5mg 2x day), Biopure protein and adreset.

Like you, I also have had a stressful life and always took pride in the fact that i could handle everything. I was always so calm. This has changed that and there have been many days where I lose my temper or start crying and I think it is all related to how tired I am.
Glad to hear you quit that job. I did the same about 5 yrs ago and it was one of the best moves I ever made.
I wonder if maybe the armour is not good for you right now and maybe you should give your adrenals a break by just taking the t4 med until your adrenals are strengthened and then add the armour back?
Oh, and the allergy stuff. I was thinking the same. I have noticed that sometimes on a rainy day I will feel better than a dry, windy day where the counts are high.
Hope your energy improves soon,
Colleen
Re: DHEA problems?
May 3, 2005
[QUOTE=keav]Hi Carrielynn,
My symptoms currently are fatigue(although it is improving), some swelling (that has improved also), occasional low body temp and heartrate.
I had a baby 9 months ago and that is when my problems started. I feel that pregnancy really puts a stressor on hypo women. My doc never increased my med during pregnancy and I really felt dragged down the whole pregnancy. Luckily, after 4 years of infertility, I do have a healthy baby girl.

After I had her, I developed joint pain and severe swelling. I went to one endo who wanted to lower my thyroid dose and then another who steadily increased my synthroid every 2 wks and added t3. I think he caused more harm than good. I think the t3 burned my adrenal glands. My body just couldn't handle it. I actually gained weight and finally when he increased me to 200mcg synthroid and 5mc of t3 I stopped going to him. Stopped the t3 and felt great and then crashed again. Since that time I am seeing a naturopathic/holistic family practice practioner. I really like the fact that these types of doctors address the root cause of a thyroid problem. She lowered my synthroid to 175 and now I am on 162mcg. We will give this 6 weeks and she says maybe then we could add some t3 for unresolved symptoms such as swelling. She has me on the dhea spray (5mg 2x day), Biopure protein and adreset.

Like you, I also have had a stressful life and always took pride in the fact that i could handle everything. I was always so calm. This has changed that and there have been many days where I lose my temper or start crying and I think it is all related to how tired I am.
Glad to hear you quit that job. I did the same about 5 yrs ago and it was one of the best moves I ever made.
I wonder if maybe the armour is not good for you right now and maybe you should give your adrenals a break by just taking the t4 med until your adrenals are strengthened and then add the armour back?
Oh, and the allergy stuff. I was thinking the same. I have noticed that sometimes on a rainy day I will feel better than a dry, windy day where the counts are high.
Hope your energy improves soon,
Colleen[/QUOTE]


I am on a teeney-tiny amount of Armour (15 mg, a tiny, tiny pill), so I don't think it's doing much to my adrenals. Besides, I was having this kind of fatigue before I started taking the thyroid medication. My thyroid doctor is in another city -- he's a national expert, so I can't see him very easily. (Takes me 4 hours to drive to see him.) I will bring this up with him next time I see him (Sept). I'm seeing a local MD who specializes in alternative approaches for my adrenal problem. He also touts himself as a thyroid expert. I asked him about the Armour taxing my adrenals and he didn't think that was the problem. But I won't rule that completely out and will keep it in mind.

Having children really wiped me out, both mentally and physically. I was a jet-setting career woman and when my first child arrived it was a huge adjustment. I thought I knew what I was doing when I had the 2nd, but having two children is just as big of an adjustment. I spent a huge amount of time in bed during the 2nd pregnancy, was just wiped out... of course I may have been hypo then and didn't know it. I'm not a natural "kid" person, but I've done the best I can. I never prided myself on being "calm" because I have been about as hyper and anxious as you can get. (Although I didn't realize the extent of it until now.) I have thrown huge temper tantrums with my kids until the last year... not proud of it... always hated myself for it, but it's the fatigue and depression. I am currently working hard to reduce and reframe stress and take care of myself. I'm doing neurofeedback therapy which has changed my life. My temper is much better, the anxiety is going away and I don't feel depressed, just fatigued.

I've always had a low heartrate and very low blood pressure... prided myself on it until I started reading these were symptoms of hypothyroid and adrenal problems. Interesting. I also didn't have problems losing weight after my 2nd child... lost 30 pounds in one year (on top of losing the baby weight). But now I've gained about 10 pounds and I can't lose any of them. I'm just too wiped out and I don't care about exercising anymore.

Anyway, let's stay in touch about what's working because it sounds like we've got a pretty similar situation.

Today I'm having a "fatigue" day but I go back to bed because of too many commitments. I'm so exhausted, but I'm going to keep plugging away.
Re: DHEA problems?
Oct 3, 2005
Carrielynn or others,
What was your initial problems that they done this kind of testing for, like your symptoms?? I did have extremely high levels of DHEA about 3-4 years ago, she indicated that I may have like I guess adrenal exhaustion and I may need meds like you all take? I am prone to get Addison's or Cushings from this. So I was just wondering what your symptoms were that lead you to be tested for that and all.....thanks
Re: DHEA problems?
Oct 3, 2005
[QUOTE=boaz]Carrielynn or others,
What was your initial problems that they done this kind of testing for, like your symptoms?? I did have extremely high levels of DHEA about 3-4 years ago, she indicated that I may have like I guess adrenal exhaustion and I may need meds like you all take? I am prone to get Addison's or Cushings from this. So I was just wondering what your symptoms were that lead you to be tested for that and all.....thanks[/QUOTE]

Last Spring I signed up for a seminar on how to deal with allergies, given by an alternative professional. I spent some time talking to her about my symptoms after the seminar -- told her that whenever certain pollens were high I just felt incredibly tired and I had difficulty thinking. This wasn't all the time, but enough days of the month that it was affecting my quality of life. The symptoms were usually the worse in the morning and then I would feel progressively better all day and in the evening I would be fine, so I would stay up later trying to get things done that I didn't get done in the morning. She told me she thought I had adrenal exhaustion. So I took a saliva test -- they wanted four samples taken throughout the day -- and I mailed it off to a lab. The lab confirmed that I had low cortisol and dhea (I included the results in a previous message in this thread).

I had to deal with a number of very stressful events this past year... personal changes, my mother got really sick, one of my kids has had a chronic illness, so that definitely has had an effect on me. The past 10 years have been incredibly stressful and I think I am just worn down.

For 2 months this summer I was fine -- decent amount of energy, not complaints. Pollens were not high.

Now I'm dealing with similar fatigue (ragweed is high) and I'm also getting some mild muscle aches in my arms and my legs. The aches seem to come and go throughout the day... not every day, though. This happened last Spring too, but not this summer.

I haven't heard back from the thyroid doctor regarding what he thinks about my adrenal test. I think he's out of town this week, so I'll try to contact him next week.

--CarrieLynn





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