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Hi folks- Back in March the doc wanted to get my ferritin level up. It was at 38 not so low as some here for sure. Anyway between slow fe and regular release I moved up to 47. But I don't want to eat meat or eat fortifed cereals- so I am thinking maybe I should first get the ferritin retested. I haven't taken ferrous sulfate for about 6wks. now. If I am going lower I am thinking of a low 18mg dose. I have read that ferrous gluconate is more easily tolerated. But I recall reading here either ferrous gluconate or ferrous fumarate was bothering people. Any opinions out there on the gluconate or fumarate??
I did have an endoscopy- no prob. I am going to have my colonoscopy this fall YUCK!!!!I don't want to drink the fleet's prep- others here have said it is hideous. My doc did not offer osmo prep that some wrote about here as being ok. I think the fleets would make me gag and vomit it up from what I have read here. Maybe that's another thread. Anyway I will ask the doc about osmo prep and might even consider another doc if he won't allow it.I still think the moderately low ferritin is dietary but I guess I need this checked out. I am 54 and am told it's a good idea anyway at my age.
Dunno about the gluconate, but I'm currently taking ferrous bisglycinate, so-called "easy iron". Like the ferrous succinate I was taking, it still causes gastro symptoms so I'm looking for something else too.

I keep forgetting to call the dr and asking about the OsmoPrep. I'm leaving for a show tomorrow morning and will be getting the endoscopy and colonoscopy on the 12th, 3 days after I get back. Ack! Really need to get on this. Will let you know how it goes.
I am taking Ferrous Fumerate in the form of a Flinstone's Vitamin.:D Each Flintstone's vitamin has 18 mg of Ferrous Fumerate in it, so two a day is giving me 36 mg. I doesn't bother my stomach AT ALL and I have an extremely sensitive stomach. So give it a try!!!

As for the colonoscopy--any doctor that is still solely using Fleet's is in the dark ages. Not thinking of patient comfort. That stuff is NASTY.
Osteoblast--I have ~read~heme, meat source, Ferrous types, of iron, are far more effectively absorbed.

Ferrous Gluconate and Ferrous Fumerate were rated as good choices but Ferrous Fumarate had the highest absorbent rate, 3X that of F-Sulfate.

I take a prenatal vitamin and get 28 mg of Ferrous Fumerate, this is in 2 pills a day, if I separate them I don't feel it. If I take two together, it bothers me. I would also give the Ferrous Fumerate a try.

I finally got my Ferritin to #20 as of last week! I'm so pleased. I went from
9-20 in 4 weeks, I guess because my Hgb is normal now. I also take Poly Iron 150 X2. I hope I don't rust!

Everything that you said about the Fleet Prep is CORRECT! Especially if you are sensitive. Good luck with your iron. FLFLOWERGIRL:)
Thanks for the responses
Nyxie-I will let you know about the gluconate or fumarate. No decision yet on which one.
Good luck with your colonoscopy , let us know how it goes. I am hoping that you tell me you had no problem- both for you and to give me a bit of courage.I feel like I weaseled out of my scheduled colonoscopy out of fear, although I was really down with the flu or something. This scares me alot! I'll be sure to check back after the 12th to see how you did. Again, good luck!!!!!

Christine--that's funny about the flintstones vits. I am glad to hear you are having no problem with the fumarate and 36 mg a day. All that I am thinking about is the 18 so that is good to hear.
Interesting what you say about a doc solely using fleet's is in dark ages. I didn't like him so much either. Could you ever like a doc who would do a colonoscopy? I wonder??? But, I guess some would be worse than others. It wouldn't take much for me to want to go to another doc. So, I need to check on what this one would allow. The doc who did my endoscopy was ok , I had no discomfort at all. If he would allow the osmo prep then I think I would go back there. I just know I will go into a big gag reflex thing with drinking the yucky stuff.
Was it the osmo prep that you took? Have you tried the various preps??

FLFlowergirl-Congrats on getting your ferritin to move from9 to 20 in 4 wks that is quite a bit.Are you pregrant or just taking the prenatals out of choice?
What is polyiron? I haven't heard of that. Were you taking the polyiron and the fumerate at the same time to get the results that you did, I am not clear on that from what you wrote.
Ok so you too say that fleet's is the height of disgusting. Are you too saying the osmo prep is the way to go??
I appreciate the help on this board!
osteo--let me tell you, I [B]LOVE[/B] my colonoscopy doctor (gastroenterologist). He is just the sweetest guy and he reads me so well--knows I have lots of anxiety and really tries to spend a lot of time with me.

He uses three different types of preps--two of them are the liquid--either Go-Lytely or Tri-Lytely. Then he uses OsmoPrep. He recommends OsmoPrep for people like me who have acid reflux or who get nauseous with lots of liquids. He also says that about 85% of his patients use OsmoPrep now. There are some people who have extremely high blood pressure who cannot use it. My co-worker also used this doctor and he used the OsmoPrep. He did have to quit taking his Blood Pressure meds for three days though but that was no big deal. Apparently taking all that stuff can give you an electrolyte imbalance if you take BP meds.

Personally, I think the OsmoPrep is the way to go. I have not tried the other though. A good friend of mine had colon cancer a few years ago (at age 45!!). She has to have a yearly colonscopy and has done every prep out there (including the Fleets which she vomited). She tried the OsmoPrep on her last colonoscopy and LOVES it know and won't ever do the others. So, to me, she is my expert opinion!
After nearly having to quit taking my iron supplement due to extreme side effects, my doctor then got me taking organic iron tablets along with the powdered supplement i was originally taking and this new addition stopped my upset stomach and irritable bowel symptoms. I must ask him again why the organic tablets are better over the nonorganic, apart from the obvious reasons!! In the end my ferretin levels where not moving up anyway, but was good to discover something which kept my stomach settled.
osteoblast--
Q.: Are you pregrant or just taking the prenatals out of choice?

A.: No, not preg. my sister had GB SX and my cousin, they insist that I take these. My Hematologist said to get on a good vitamin with my iron supplements.

Q.: What is polyiron? I haven't heard of that.

A.: PolyIron 150 is a (polysaccharide iron complex) This is the generic name, PIC. My GI doc gave it to me 150 X2. You also (don't) have to take C with it. The Ferrous Sulfate made me burn up to my throat. This doesn't give any S/E other than a little IBS IF I eat TOO much veg at one meal. I have learned to balance meals with carbs to avoid this problem. Very easy to take, it really works. I think all high doses of iron cause problems to some extent. Mine is a RX but it is also OTC, under Generic name or Nu Iron 150 or just ask for it.

Q.: Were you taking the polyiron and the fumerate at the same time to get the results that you did, I am not clear on that from what you wrote.

A.: Yes, I AM on BOTH. Have only been on PerNats for 2 mo's. Before that I was on a Mulit-Vit (cheap) 1 mo. not alot of good stuff in it. I noticed a great difference with prenats. At first they bothered me, I took 2 at a time then and had to seperate the dose. One at a time feels fine X2 daily.

I believe that I got these results because I was finally able to get my Hgb up to the chart. I took 1X and my blood would drop weekly. When I was able to take Poly iron 2X a day on an empty stomach, my Hgb would climb 2 points each month. Then it finally started going to storage. I don't think it had much to do with the vitamin. It helps to build healthy blood cells I was told. It may have helped I really couldn't tell on this one since it is my first time for my Ferritin to go up. Also, I must add that I had an Ablation in June. BUT I think it is the amount of iron because in the beginning I took 2X and it went up 2 points per mo. with periods!

Q.: Ok so you too say that fleet's is the height of disgusting. Are you too saying the osmo prep is the way to go??

A.: I threw up half the second day. I would give ANYTHING else a try before Fleet Prep. I would try the OSMO Prep. if possible.
Good Luck! FLFLOWERGIRL:)
Flowergirl -Thank you so much for all the great information. I really appreciate it. Based on everything that has been said here , I called the gastroenterologist today and his nurse is checking if the osmo prep will be ok.
If it's not , maybe I find another gastro to do the colonoscopy.
Christine- so glad you really like your gastroenterologist. Thank you for all the great info regarding preps. Just to understand correctly what I should ask for-- could you clarify about the osmoprep. Did you mean to say I just ask for the osmo prep or does it need to be used along with one of the others you mentioned the go lytely or the tri lytely. I am not on any bp meds although I am pretty stressed out about all the medical stuff I have gone through this past year.

Now that I am getting such great information on the prep and feeling like I could approach this whole ordeal, could I ask 2 more questions???
First, once you have taken the osmoprep, is the night before and morning sheer hell? Does it feel like you are going to die? I know this sounds dramatic , but I am quite worried about it .

Second, when you go in for the procedure is it really embarrassing when they start to prep you?

I had an endoscopy and it was definitely no big deal. But the colonoscopy is scaring me. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you.
Osteoblast--I understand your concerns. Believe me, I was freaked out too!

For the OsmoPrep, this is all you take. Generally, you will start at 5:00 p.m. on the evening prior to the test.

You will swallow 4 tablets with 8 oz of Gatorade. At 5:15 you will swallow 4 tablets with 8 oz of Gatorade. You will do the same at 5:30, 5:45, and 6:00 p.m. This totals 20 tablets and 40 oz of Gatorade. My doctor had me drink one can of Ginger Ale after the finish of the 20 tablets. My friend's doctor didn't make her do that though.

That's all you do for that evening. By 5:45 p.m., I had a small urge to "go" and a little bit of stuff happened. I had to use the bathroom every 20 minutes until about 11:00 p.m. and then it slacked off to about every 45 minutes to an hour so I did get to doze off here and there. I did get very thirsty in the middle of the night and drank a lot of water. The pills will make you thirsty.

I had NO cramping at all. None. Just a mild urge to get in the bathroom. My friends who have used Fleets and some of the liquid preps say that they had hard cramps for a period of time. The three of us that have used OsmoPrep had no cramping. I think it is very gentle.

Depending on you time of your test, depends when you start the tablets in the morning. I had to start at 5:00 a.m. for an 8:30 procedure. I had to take three more doses of the 4 pills (total of 12 pills in the morning). You will get some slight "urges" after that. These last pills just clean out whatever might be left.

I had no problem making it to the hospital for my test. It was even 30 minutes away and in the middle of a snowstorm (so my 30 minute ride took 45 mins). Of course, I had to "go" when I got there, but no big deal.

As for getting ready for the test, they started my drugs when I got in the testing room. When they felt I was going under, my doctor asked me to turn on my side. He then told me he was lifting my robe and then I remember not much else. Really no worse than a GYN appointment. You will be "out" before you can get embarrassed.

One tip--buy some Tucks, Charmin Wipes (they are flushable) and very good toilet paper. Use the Tucks and Wipes from the very beginning or you will be raw. Even with all that, I was somewhat irritated the next morning.
ChristineVA- I cannot thank you enough for giving me the complete minute by minute on the procedure.It sure will be easier to approach with the experience that you shared. I've got to find a way to print out your response. My dh will help.
It was an incredible relief to hear how it was for you. I dreaded so much about the fleet's and it appears rightly so.
Well, from what you say the osmoprep should allow me to avoid the gagging and vomiting as well as cramping.
Your detail really helps , so I kind of know how the night before and morning go. And, the advice regarding tucks and charmin wipes is great.
Did you get this kind of detailed info from your doc before your procedure??
Christine- did everything turn out ok for you? Did the procedure identify why you have a problem with anemia?
You really helped me approach something alot easier, your comments take a huge amount of fear and dread out of the picture. And, allow me to call and finally get the date scheduled. It looks like my time to arrive at the clinic is 7:50am and we have a drive of about an hour. Perhaps we can talk more detail on timing once it is settled. I don't want to have an unfortunate incident in the car on the interstate. Yikes! By the time I leave home I have got to be complete with it all , if that is possible.I hope so.
[B]Did you get this kind of detailed info from your doc before your procedure?? [/B]

No, I didn't get it from him, but I have so many friends that have done the colonoscopy many times and they were full of tips that I paid attention to.


[B]Christine- did everything turn out ok for you? Did the procedure identify why you have a problem with anemia? [/B]

Well, my colon was fine. They found one small, non-cancerous polyp which was removed. The better story was my upper endoscopy which was done at the same time. They found gastritis, fresh bleeding, and stomach polyps. My GI insists, though, that the stomach bleeding was not the *cause* of my anemia, but probably didn't help it at all. He chalked the stomach bleeding up to too much NSAIDS use. There is no other reason for it. I have no ulcers and no H. Pylori.


[B]You really helped me approach something alot easier, your comments take a huge amount of fear and dread out of the picture. And, allow me to call and finally get the date scheduled. It looks like my time to arrive at the clinic is 7:50am and we have a drive of about an hour. Perhaps we can talk more detail on timing once it is settled. I don't want to have an unfortunate incident in the car on the interstate. Yikes! By the time I leave home I have got to be complete with it all , if that is possible.I hope so.[/B]

Glad I could help. Anything to make it easier on someone else. You will be fine getting to the hospital. Just to calm my nerves, I did take a bucket with me.:D And some toilet paper. But I didn't need it. I did have some minor "pressure" during the drive, but honestly, it was NOTHING. My friend also has about a 45-60 minute drive to her procedure and she's never had an accident. I think the docs have it all down to a science.

Oh, and as for printing/saving what I've wrote, just highlight the text with your cursor/mouse, then right click and a window will pop up. Click on "copy." Once you do that, it will be stored. Then go and open Word (or whatever Word Processing program you use) and put your cursor on the blank page. Right click your mouse again and then click on copy. All the text you highlighted should copy into the page.
Christine-Thanks once again for giving me the courage to go forward with the colonoscopy. I am still waiting for the call back from the docs nurse to let me know if he will say the osmo prep is ok. The nurse thought it would be ok. She said two other patients recently did the osmo prep. Now that is not alot. I live in the greater Seattle area, and this is one of the top gastroenterologists. Isn't that strange that osmo prep is just not used much here, compared to your area?
So now that you have kindly given me the story from the first pill to the moment where the doc says "I will now lift your gown", would you pick up the narrative from that moment and finish perhaps the next day?? That would help. I am wondering do you hurt, are you groggy, do you have the urge right after the procedure? How is the drive home--are you dizzy , woozy, possibly going to get sick to your stomach, have to make a quick exit off the interstate for a bathroom? When you get home, do you feel you need to go to bed? Are you super hungry? Are you still having the urges that day and into the next? When do your bathroom habits resume their normal routine? I know of course these are your experiences and mine could vary , but having this picture is of more help than you can imagine. I am glad to hear that you too were freaked out about the upcoming colonoscopy,because that puts us in the same state of mind. Although as I have said, you have really reduced my anxiety .
I wish the docs would give such a description as you provided. I think more people who need to have the procedure would then go forward.

Were you able to heal your stomach lining by discontinuing the NSAIDs? Do you think the NSAIDs are just nasty and should not be used?
Because of the one noncancerous polyp you had removed during the colonoscopy, did the doc say you have to re do a colonoscopy soon?
I hope that you are doing OK. Christine, did you get your ferritin up to a level that you are happy with? What are you taking now for your supplement?
What is your understanding of a good ferritin level?
[B]So now that you have kindly given me the story from the first pill to the moment where the doc says "I will now lift your gown", would you pick up the narrative from that moment and finish perhaps the next day?? [/B]

I'm not sure I should tell this part of story. It is not good, but you asked...:D Please remember that I am my doctor's most "unique" patient. My experience, according to him, has never happened in all his years of practice.

First off, I think I said that I had gone to have my colonoscopy during a snowstorm. You see, I had done my entire prep and then the facility where I was to have the colonoscopy called me at 5:00 a.m. and cancelled my procedure. I was LIVID. I called my doctor THAT early in the morning. He called me right back and had me moved to another hospital he works at that was open. When I got there, they were understaffed. Also, this particular hospital does not use an anesthesiologist but used "doctor administrated" sedation. So instead of having regular, good anesthesia, I was given Demerol and Versed. I was supposed to have Propofol and Versed at the other place. The nurses couldn't get the IV in me and I got really nervous. When they took me in the room and drugged me, I would not go "under". I was drowsy and happy and I didn't care, but I did not go under. I woke up several times during my colonoscopy (but I didn't care). I don't remember any of the upper GI so the drugs must have finally kicked in.

When I awoke I was very drugged. My doctor came and told me that he's never had to use that much Demerol on a patient and that during my procedure my heart rate was in the 160s. They have tried to push it off as anxiety but I'm not buying it as I felt perfectly relaxed. I think I had a reaction to the Demerol.

Anyway, shortly after I got very sick and vomited in the recovery area. They were still trying to get me to leave. They sent me home with a plastic bag and I did vomit in the car.

When I got home I could not eat and still vomited a few times that night.

It took me DAYS to get better but it was the drugs. Please don't let this scare you off. It is a very rare experience and my doctor told me he would never use Demerol on me again.

I did not hurt anywhere and I no longer had the urge to go to the bathroom. It was totally gone. When I got home I went right to bed as most people do. Most people go to bed for 3-4 hours, I stayed there for a day or so because of the drugs.

[B]When do your bathroom habits resume their normal routine? [/B]

I think it was about a week before things seemed "normal." I did go, it just didn't seem the normal consistancy. It did not hurt or anything.


[B]Were you able to heal your stomach lining by discontinuing the NSAIDs? Do you think the NSAIDs are just nasty and should not be used? [/B]

Truly, I don't know if my stomach is healed. My GI didn't think it was necessary to do a recheck. I have discontinued NSAIDS. I was taking Motrin a few times a month for headaches and then during the menstrual cycle (lots). I had not taken Motrin for 6 weeks prior to the upper GI and the doctor was perplexed by the blood, but he could come up with no other explanation for it.

[B]Because of the one noncancerous polyp you had removed during the colonoscopy, did the doc say you have to re do a colonoscopy soon? [/B]

Nope, it was the totally benign type and I don't have to go back for 10 years. There are other benign polyps that are more suspicious--if you have one of those they will have you come back in 2-3 years.

[B]I hope that you are doing OK. Christine, did you get your ferritin up to a level that you are happy with? What are you taking now for your supplement?
What is your understanding of a good ferritin level[/B]?

I last had a ferritin done in June and it was at 12 (up from 5). I had been using Spatone and Flinstones vitamins. I am no longer using the Spatone but just Flintstones. Because I am on a low dose of iron, my doctor wanted me to wait until November for a recheck. He didn't feel it would come up much if I went back too soon. So, I really don't know where I stand these days!
Christine- Yes, the story did go downhill. It does seem you must have had a reaction to something. When I had my endoscopy -it was totally smooth sailing , and as I said my stomach is touchy. I just came to didn't even realize I was out and was just awake. My bp was going down , down and they gave me some apple juice and then a second apple juice and it came up. No nausea what so ever.Clarity was just restored.
Wow,being awake during the colonoscopy. That is almost too much. You sure are a good trooper. To feel ok with the whole thing considering the turn it all took.I know you say you felt nothing yet....You are braver than I am.

Oh , when I had the endoscopy I told the doc about my queasy stomach and easy nausea . He said well then we will use fentanyl (spelling?) I had zero reaction to this. I am going to need to ask for this again.

Now about the iron. As I said initially mine was 38, not so low as compared to many. It got up to 54 and last blood test was at 52. It took 3 months to make the improvement. I started with slow fe one time a day. Then moved to just ferrous sulfate 325mg one time a day. When it was 52 doc said just stop. But, now I have pushed him on this because if I eat as I want to I just don't get iron - I don't eat meat or fortified cereals. So, this is why I am going to do a daily 18mg iron either fumarate or gluconate.The doc doesn't have an opinion on which to use. You said it was fumarate in your flintstones and you don't have a problem. Are you going to try any stronger measures. I have seen your name at the thyroid board as well. I take synthroid and noticed when my iron was higher the labs looked better on both the free t3 and t4. Plus my hemoglobin and hematocrit were on the low end when iron low and then bumped up a little bit with the better ferritin level. I just don't want to have to do a big dose again, it really screwed up by synthroid dosing.
I hope my story didn't discourage you. I truly believe it was just an odd event and if I had better drugs, it would have been no problem. I have had other surgeries prior to this and NO problems at all with anesthesia or nausea. I was just so sick after this one and the doctor told me that it was due to all the Demerol. I had to use a Phenergan suppository that night to stop the nausea--worked like a charm though!

Yes, the Flintstones contains fumerate and I'm doing okay with that. I take 2 a day.

I don't know how well it is working and probably won't know until November. My GP said that I am taking such a low dose, it is pointless to keep checking it all the time because it is going to build slowly. Also, it doesn't help to keep having a tube of blood removed every few weeks. So I wait.
Wow! Thanks to everyone for such great info! I'm still a bit nervous about all this, but feel better knowing what to expect.

I'm calling the Gastro today to get the OsmoPrep. Get the double whammy (upper and lower GI exam) this Wednesday. Will let you know how it goes. Fortunately, we're only 15 minutes from the hospital where its getting done, so I don't expect any "accidents" on the way there. Might insist on taking hubby's car instead of mine, just in case. ;)
[QUOTE=Nyxie63;3200687]Wow! Thanks to everyone for such great info! I'm still a bit nervous about all this, but feel better knowing what to expect.

I'm calling the Gastro today to get the OsmoPrep. Get the double whammy (upper and lower GI exam) this Wednesday. Will let you know how it goes. Fortunately, we're only 15 minutes from the hospital where its getting done, so I don't expect any "accidents" on the way there. Might insist on taking hubby's car instead of mine, just in case. ;)[/QUOTE]

Nyxie63--Good luck to you on Wednesday. Double or single it doesn't make a difference I'm sure. I had the double and was so glad that I did it. What a relief to have tangible proof that you know what condition your insides are in. Remember, you will now have colored photos too. Don't be nervous because It's really pretty easy, you will be surprised how easy. Hope you get the OsmoPrep too, once past the prep the hardest part is over. And of course take your husbands car. LOL. FLFLOWERGIRL:)
Christine--I think were the only two on this thread with the experience of the Colonoscopy so far, so I wanted to direct my question to you. My question is did you have GAS after? I think that you said you had only a little because of the type of prep you had?? Anyway, just wanted to share something that I forgot about. Although I knew nothing about having a colonoscopy, I did have my husband to tell me what his experience was like. He told me that after you come out they want you to pass gas before they let you go home. Great! Did they tell you this too? So, when I came out this nurse comes up to me with two very large hands and presses on my stomach without telling me WHY and the GAS sounds were loud, all at once like a balloon!! I couldn't believe that came out of me! It was the gas they blow you up with. Afterwards I had no cramping or gas because she got rid of it for me. Have you experienced this? When my mom had hers they didn't do this afterwards and she had gas at home later on when she moved around. What we have to go through. FLFLOWERGIRL:)
[QUOTE=FLFLOWERGIRL;3201596]Christine--I think were the only two on this thread with the experience of the Colonoscopy so far, so I wanted to direct my question to you. My question is did you have GAS after? I think that you said you had only a little because of the type of prep you had?? Anyway, just wanted to share something that I forgot about. Although I knew nothing about having a colonoscopy, I did have my husband to tell me what his experience was like. He told me that after you come out they want you to pass gas before they let you go home. Great! Did they tell you this too? So, when I came out this nurse comes up to me with two very large hands and presses on my stomach without telling me WHY and the GAS sounds were loud, all at once like a balloon!! I couldn't believe that came out of me! It was the gas they blow you up with. Afterwards I had no cramping or gas because she got rid of it for me. Have you experienced this? When my mom had hers they didn't do this afterwards and she had gas at home later on when she moved around. What we have to go through. FLFLOWERGIRL:)[/QUOTE]


No, I never remember this being an issue. If it was, they did it to me while I was still knocked out. And I did not have any gas at all when I got home. I remember reading on the internet about some people feeling uncomfortable with their intestines after the procedure, but I never had a problem.
Yay! The dr approved the OsmoPrep without a single peep. I pick up the rx this morning. Kinda miffed at the nurse who called tho. She really didn't want to bother answering my other questions. Kinda last minute, but I was out of town and kept forgetting to call. Oh well. Anyway, its taken care of.

Now to convince myself that drinking liquids and eating jello all day will be a good thing and I won't need food until tomorrow. Oddly enough, I'm more concerned about that than the actual procedure. I've become so used to *having* to eat in order to take my supplements that it feels strange not to plan meals. Guess it wouldn't be a good day to clean out the fridge. :D

Going to weigh myself this morning and again before I go into the hospital tomorrow. Want to see just how full of *bleep* I really am. :jester:
Nyxie,

I was worried about the "not eating" too. I'm not one that does well without food. And I had to go to work that day.

My instructions did say that during they day--before 5:00 p.m., I could have coffee or tea with milk in it. I made sure that I used the milk because that was really the only good source of some protein that day. I also made a "big deal" about having a bowl full of chicken broth at what would have been my lunch time and my dinner time. I bought *******'s Natural and it also had some protein in it. Be careful of the cheap brands, they are worthless and full of sodium.

Anyway, by doing those things, I didn't feel too bad. By the time the prep came I was getting fairly nervous so it kind of ruined my appetite.

Let us know how the procedure goes tomorrow. Good luck!
Nyxie--Good luck with your colonoscopy tomorrow, you will be fine. The jello and liquids are not bad at all. Like you I felt like I had to have all three balanced meals. I didn't know how I was going to do it. But before you know it its over! Hope you have good results too, keep us posted. Congrats on the OsmoPrep. See it does pay to go on the Internet. I'm still trying to convince my doctors of this! FLFLOWERGIRL:)
Hi everybody! I wasn't on this board for a few days and I see the highly entertaining and of course serious topic of colonoscopy continues. My doc's nurse called the osmoprep in - so no problem there. Christine I cannot thank you enough- the other stuff they gave me the fleets stuff just spooked the heck out of me , so now I can feel that I am going to take the stuff that is easiest on the system.
Nyxie- Thinking of you and hoping all goes well. Looking forward to your installment.
The pressing gas out of you afterwards, well that's a new detail in the story. I wonder if they will do that . Still not looking forward to any of this except for sharing my experience.Colonoscopy though is scheduled now for 4 weeks out.
I am 55 post meno pausal and have osteoporosis- serious bummer. I am being treated for this . In my research, I saw mention that some scholarly studies have been done on thepossible role that iron deficiency may have in weakening the bones. So- I am sure that further studies need to be done, it sounded somewhat preliminary. Yet, I wanted to post with what could be another reason for us to be sure to get this iron thing right. The more I learn about iron deficiency and its wide ranging effects on us the more amazed I am. As a vegetarian , I see how it was a near impossibility for me to get adequate iron and I should have been supplementing.
I recently took a book out of the library entitled Food & Mood by Elizabeth Somer M.A.,R.D. It is really well done, a good balance between scholarly and readable. There is so much good info there.The book was published in 1995.So back then, she said everyone , esp pre menopausal women, should watch their iron status. Serum ferritin is best indicator, but docs don't test for it so you must be your own health advocate and request a test be done. I wish I had read this book years ago.
[QUOTE=osteoblast;3203444]The book was published in 1995.So back then, she said everyone , esp pre menopausal women, should watch their iron status. Serum ferritin is best indicator, but docs don't test for it so you must be your own health advocate and request a test be done. I wish I had read this book years ago.[/QUOTE]


I'm not sure why serum ferritin isn't something that all OB/GYNs should be doing on every woman when she has her pap smear. Maybe iron deficiency isn't as bad as I think it is, but I bet a lot more women have it and suffer through without ever knowing.
I have heard about the bones and iron deficiency also. That scares me because since I became anemic (that I know of) with 2 Ferritin my bones make a lot of noises and joints feel different, like fragile or something. I was already thinking about this myself. How do you check this one? Bone density test? I never took vitamins before, but I do now.

And the veggie part, I have never eaten much meat even as a child. My Father always said, your problem is you never eat meat. Maybe he was right? I now eat meat every Single day to build my Ferritin storage. I read you need 3X weekly for diet to fix anemia. My friend who had a Ferritin of 4, she eats steak 3X weekly and I watched her get her Ferritin go up rather quickly due to diet with supplements. That was the first thing that I tried to correct although it is really hard for me. I just hate meat, I even tried to chew a piece of steak and couldn't do it!! The doc said when you do eat flesh, eat the dark meat of chicken so that's what I do now. It's definitely working for me I'm at 20 now.

When I had my recent labs done I requested a copy of my CBC from 2 yrs. ago when I first started complaining about periods. Problems were already happening long before I complained, I just thought it was normal. Well, I wasn't too happy about the results. They called and said everything is was ~IN RANGE~ I'm beginning to hate those words. So, I never questioned it, I didn't know then what I know now. My Hgb then was a 13 already too close to 12 for me and that was 2 yrs ago. I think around this time I was beginning the process to pull from my Ferritin. I should have been started on supplements way back then at least at the time of my periods each month. I agree about the Ferritin it should be a LAW to test for this routinely. No one should ever have to suffer this way if it can be avoided. Then it was sent to my PCP and they signed off on it. That is so wrong. Why don't they care more about this stuff? FLFLOWERGIRL:)
Flowergirl- Yes, the way to test bone density is with a bone density test.It is simple and painless. You lay down and the imaging device passes over you. Where I live they usually don't test till you are 60 , this is not good. I was tested earlier because when having a hand injury xrayed they could see the low density. This has been a huge blow to me. And, treatment is tough ,there really is not a good treatment the two major treatments both have significant very very serious issues. So you younger women out there be proactive in this. If you ever had an eating disorder or bowel issues that would have robbed you of your nutrients you could be at higher risk. Also we must take the ferritin issue very seriously even if the docs don't. And, they really don't from what I have seen unless you are under the range. That is so dumb because it is such a job to get the ferritin up again. I am so puzzled that docs don't look out for us more. I just don't understand it. What is in it for them to be so lax about helping us get healthy? The more I see of the medical system at work , the more I come to understand that we, the U.S., are doing such a bad job of things that we come out 47th in the world with regard to life expectancy.

I wonder if Nyxie will pop in tonight to let us know how the osmoprep is going. Anyway , good luck to you Nyxie!
Hi! :wave: Well it's over. Yay!

The OsmoPrep was a breeze! Thanks again for bringing this up, Christine! :D No cramping. A little bit of nausea with the second batch of pills, but not enough to make me feel like I was going to be sick. The worst part was not being able to sleep well because the feeling like I needed to "go" kept waking me up.

I was asleep for both procedures. One minute feeling the meds start to kick in and the next minute I woke up in the recovery room. No cramps, a little bit of gas, and I think its going to take a bit for my appetite to kick back in. Other than that, I feel fine. Looking back, I had all that worry for nothing.

Good news is my upper system looks fine - no erosions, no ulcers, no bleeding. The bad news is I apparently have mild diverticulosis and they found a polyp. The polyp was removed for testing and they also took a biopsy of the small bowel for Celiac testing. I get the results back in 2 weeks during the follow-up visit with the Gastro.

Thanks again to all for your encouragement, information and support! :)
Hi Nyxie!

Well all in all, sounds like you had a great procedure. I also had a few small diverticuli during my exam but apparently that is normal to some degree once you reach a certain age--it's whether or not they get inflamed and cause you a problem that is the concern. Hope everything goes well with the polyp. Most GIs are pretty good at knowing, by sight, if they are "funny."

I'm so glad the OsmoPrep went well for you. I always get a bit nervous when I heartily endorse something!
[QUOTE=Nyxie63;3205157]Hi! :wave: Well it's over. Yay!

Good news is my upper system looks fine - no erosions, no ulcers, no bleeding. The bad news is I apparently have mild diverticulosis and they found a polyp. The polyp was removed for testing and they also took a biopsy of the small bowel for Celiac testing. I get the results back in 2 weeks during the follow-up visit with the Gastro.

Thanks again to all for your encouragement, information and support! :)[/QUOTE]

My husband had one of those don't remember which osis or itis, they said to increase the fiber. At least you had the polyp removed now instead of waiting until your older. That's the best part of us having to do these test before age appropriate. Glad it all went well for you. Good luck with you pathology reports as well. FLFLOWERGIRL:)
Nyxie-So glad to hear that your prep was a breeze and that the procedure was ok. I hope the lab work turns out to be ok too. I have read that a large portion of the population will have diverticuli. Let us know what the docs says to do.
Well, I guess you have a non- story colonoscopy, that really is probably the best. I have to admit that I wondered if you might top Christine's story.
Flowergirl- Yes, calcium is important but vitamin d seems to be at least as impt. The recommended daily allowance is just too low for vit d is what some docs say. Also some people do not synthesize d from sun exposure as well as others. And, as you get older it is even harder to get adequate vit d from sun exposure.Also vit d is important in many other areas some feel it will prevent various forms of cancer, autoimmune diseases , depression, mental illness etc. I really like the vitamin d council site on the net. World class scientists are on the vit d council so you know you are getting good info.
Good docs really should test vit d levels as well.
Also it is hugely important to get adequate bone building activities in your life. This would be weight bearing activies that would jar the bone- that probably isn't a good way of saying it but you could get the picture. I have seen studies of bone density in olympic athletes and this is what was found
Basketball players and volleyball players have very good bone density in both hip and spine
Swimmers on the other hand have poor bone density in hip and spine--the zero gravity of water doesn't provide the weight bearing and the pounding required.
Bicyclist--really bad bone density in the hip.I don't recall about spine but I think that was not good as well. But the hip was atrocious. You can do a search on line about low bone density in bicyclists --it is surprising.
Anyway , if you are young enough get out and play some basketball to strengthen your bones. You will be happy you did. Of course there is running too, but so many people get injured and then can't run for awhile and have their injuries around for years.
And, don't forget to get your iron up.
Also pump iron- get muscles.When muscles pull on bone the bone is strengthened. When you see muscles, you will know your bones are getting stronger.
My treatment is a drug called forteo that you can only take for 2 years. You have to give yourself a shot everyday. After that it looks like I will have to take something like fosamax. I do not want to do the fosamax at all. It has its own problems. Maybe something new will come out. I am hoping.I do approx 9-10 miles brisk walking everyday, weight lifting and tai chi. I have been told not to jog and basketball is out too. I do what I can. I wasn't a couch potato when I was younger, low bone density runs in my family--I just should have had a rigorous program way back when.
Nyxie, congratulations on getting through your tests and hope the tests all come out fine. I too have written down the details incase i ever end up having to do a colonoscopy and wish to avoid that foul sounding liquid and hopefully it is possible to opt for the tablets. Now where else but on boards like these would you learn such useful info. Guess we're fortunate that some of the other ladies were able to be guinea pigs for us :)

Wow, some of this info in the last couple or so pages of this thread has been rivetting reading. I was following this thread, but then some of the issues didnt relate to me at all, but thought i would come back and see what has been happening and i'm glad i did.

It now makes sense why my specialist had my vitamin D tested in the first lot of blood tests i did with him. Some of the blood tests didn't make sense and i wondered what certain things had to do with iron/ferretin. Hmmm, i'm starting to like him more and more and sounds like he does know what he is doing!!

Osteoblast, you mentioned the vitamin D, well i never expected my vitamin D to end up below the 'range'. My specialist then put me onto some vitamin D supplement and he wants me to keep taking them even if my levels have come within 'range'. He did mention something about vitamin D strengthening the muscles and something or other about Iron, but as it was over the phone and too much info to take in all at once with the other stuff he was telling me i kind of didnt worry, thinking Vitamin D wasn't important in this iron issue, which now i see it is. He also wants me doing some type of exercise rather than nothing at all. I found what you had to say about the various types of sports and bone density very interesting. When you think of bones you simply think of calcium and not much else.

I am another person who sees health, diet and my body in an entirely new light since learning and researching all i can about bringing up my ferretin levels. Even though ferretin has been my primary concern, the fact that it is responsible for throwing out my thyroid to some extent (but not enough for med's) i have done a lot of research into helping my thyroid in a natural way. I found that site on the net which is written by Dr Mary Shommon to be very interesting b/c at the end of the day so many low iron symptoms and thyroid symptoms can be identical and some days i wonder how much of my hair shedding was to do with low ferretin and how much the thyroid has likely contributed.
Audrey,

Just a word about Mary ******. First off, she is not a doctor. She is a person who had thyroid issues and started a website. She came and spoke at one of my thyroid cancer support groups and, personally, she seems very nice. I will say, however, that many of the thyroid cancer doctors do not care for her or her site as there is a ton of misinformation given out. She is also paid to advertise certain thyroid medications/products on her website--so she gets income from these people. Whenever you have that, there is a conflict of interest. So, just be careful what you read there.
I was wondering why my dr was testing my vit D as well. Now I know. Turns out I was below range at 13 (25-80) and am now on 2000IU of vitD daily, in addition to him writing an rx for 15 minutes of sun a day, without sunscreen (love my dr! LOL). This might explain why, after a lifetime of smacking my feet into things (I'm a clutz), finally broke a toe a couple of months ago. Want to get my calcium tested at the next go-around, just to make sure that's ok.

Been reading on a couple of sites how the imbalance of one mineral can cause imbalances in a whole slew of other minerals. For example, while I'm iron deficient, my manganese is through the roof and copper is low. My dr said that, by raising my iron, it'll lower the manganese level which in turn will raise my copper. Funky, huh?
Nyxie- Yes, your non - story is just what I am looking for before my colonoscopyin about 3 weeks. Thanks to Christine about the prep so it can be easier on us.
That is very interesting about the interaction of thevarious minerals that your doc talked about .
Serum calcium should generally be in range. I have had calcium at high end of range and this is not a good thing . To be a bit higher out of range is hypercalcemia and can be negative on bones. I have read when it comes to calcium more is not better. Too much can cause kidney stones.You should stick with the guidelines and take into account what is in the food you eat as well when figuring how much to supplement.
It is curious how it all fits together. When I got my ferritin into a better area, my thyroid numbers looked better, apparently you can do better on the conversion from t4 to t3 with iron levels that are healthier. And ,my tests showed it.Research shows a connection with bone health, and in a book I am reading iron plays a big role in mental functions as well.
Your vitamin d was low.The range on my lab report is different than yours 32-100. But you are also below on your lab's range. A note on my lab report says recent studies have shown 32 to be a threshold for optimal health. Note it says threshold not the average where you should be. I have read at vitamin d council that you are generally best to see a 50-70. This winter when I was at 18, the doc increased my vit d to 2000 and over 3 months I went up 1 point from 18-19.This was in winter and at the latitude I live the sun is not strong enough in winter for you to synthesize vit d when exposed. I had to go higher on my vit d dose. Your doc sounds good.15 minutes of sun could really do alot though in combination with the 2000. You should check out the vitamin d council web site they talk about how many vit d iu's you need and how you can get it..The effects of vit d defciency are huge and may include some cancers and autoimmune diseases say the experts . My vitamin d project has been like my iron project--it is long term and it doesn't happen fast. One thing though is that you don't have the vit d tear apart your stomach. . On a project to get the d up you have to re-check periodically probably at least every 60 days or so . A low vit d can result not only in osteoporosis but osteomalacia- a softening of the bones .
Osteoblast -
Thanks so much for the info! I've checked out the vit D council. So much information! Wow! I can't imagine having to give myself a shot every day. Guess its no different than insulin or vitB, but still. Ack! Hope they come up with something better by the time you're at the 2-year mark.

My thyroid's still funky. Due for another round of testing next week. I was on 1/2 grain of Armour (to try to shrink my nodules, not to treat symptoms), but it didn't do anything for me. They raised it to 3/4 grain and I developed severe fatigue and unintentional weight loss (13lbs in a month). Stopped taking it and I felt better. This was possibly due to the low ferritin and adrenal fatigue. Haven't been on anything since. My TSH has always been good (below 2), but my FTs are below midrange. Back in June, FT3 was 2.99 (2.30-4.20) and FT4 was .95 (.89-1.76). In July, FT3 was 2.82 (same range) and FT4 was 1.13 (same range). It'll be interesting to see what they're at this time around since I've been on the iron supplement for awhile now. If my ferritin's high enough, I might be able to start back on the Armour again.

My only exercise the past few years has been moving around boxes of beads (I'm a jewerly designer) and doing housework. Wasn't until about 2 months ago that I had the energy to finally get up and do more, and that was only after starting a supplement routine. I wonder if going for a walk with light wrist and ankle weights would do the same thing as basketball? A new yoga center just opened up about 10 minutes from here and I'd love to start going. There are also local places that offer tai chi and bellydancing lessons. Now that its getting into my "off season", I'd even have time to go.

Thanks again! :)
Nyxie- Isn't the vitamin d council info totally eye opening!!! I am glad you found in interesting.Keep us posted on the vit d project. You may be surprised how much better you feel when the vit d gets right. For me getting the vit d and ferritin up have made a big difference in how I feel.

It is so important thing for people is to try to get the most bone mass possible while they are in the growing stage.
Doctors and phys. therapists seem to hate wrist and ankle weights thinking it throws off our gait when walking and causes more problems.
I wore ankle weight for some time and like them. In fact, I am going to start again. But if you do this check with your doc and use the lightest weights you can find and if you get the go ahead, back off if your knees don't like the weights.
Tai chi is an excellent exercise in my opinion and is supposed to reduce falls in the elderly dramatically. I have seen scholarly studies that say up to 45%. Also tai chi is quite beautiful it has a ballet look and feel.
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More on the osmoprep stories. When I went to the pharamacy , the pharmacist spoke with me about instructions for use. He was a younger man. He said he was going to have the procedure soon and was so glad there was now osmoprep. He said the elderly coming in who had the procedure before with the other stuff were so happy to have an alternative. The pharmacist acted absolutely joyful about the product and said they were filling alot of scripts for the osmoprep. Again, Christine, thank you so much for saving me from the awful experience with the other stuff my doc had handed me at the consult. If I hadn't read your post I never would have known there was any alternative.
Osteoblast--I have never taken Calcium because I didn't want to get kidney stones or get too much. I think that I get enough in my diet. How do you know if you are getting enough, blood test? When my calcium was tested it was within normal range.

Throughout my whole ordeal the doctors never checked my vitamins or minerals except B-12 and Folate of course. What makes them want to check Vit D I see so many post on this board getting D tested and never even thought about this one. That is one reason I started on Prenatals because they give you so much extra and I need it right now. Hope I'm not getting too much of one anything but I'm sure I'm deficient in something else. I also read that when you have IDA that there are other vitamins out of range it doesn't happen alone.

I hear you about the load bearing exercises too. That is how I got my Hiatal Hernia I started doing body building a FEW years ago and did too much weight lifting or straining. I do need to resume this activity. I have started walking at night to build up my stamina so that I can go to the grocery store again one day. Soon I hope.

You said this runs in your family. My mom's density test came back as osteoblastic and we never found out what it meant or really understood it. The doctor said it was something like her bones were too hard and could have blow outs and repair after. You really do have me thinking on this one. Sorry you are going through such measures for your osteo. Thanks for all the info. This had been the greatest thread for a while. FLFLOWERGIRL:)
Thank goodness there is something else to try other than you know what. What a grate endorsement coming from the pharmacist. Makes me almost want to get another colonoscopy, LOL not really! I wish I would have had the support and knowledge of this board when I went through it. At least we can help others to have the best experience as possible. FLFLOWERGIRL:)
Looks like i did something bad in my last reply and to be honest i dont even recall typing anything in my post which is against the rules. Hmmm should i join the dementia board now??

I'm sure i mentioned Vitamin D in my post which was wiped. I too wondered why my trichologist was testing for that. I don't sunbake due to the skin cancer worry, but will sit in the sun when i can for about 10mins, but apparently you need to get the sun everyday and you need to expose your torso to the sun as that must be able to absorb it the best. My doc put me onto a vitamin D supplement as mine was below range on the blood test. He is testing it again in the next lot of tests so it will be interesting to see where everything is this time around.

Interestingly enough he also gets my hormones tested. He believes that Vitamin D affects quite a lot of things across the board so he keeps an eye on as much stuff as possible. This makes the blood tests hard b/c to do so many tests they seem to need a zillion vials of blood. Surely that much blood isn't quite necessary? Last time i got tested they took a decent sized vial of blood simply to determine my blood type alone. Don't they only need a few drops for that or at the very most a thimble-sized amount?

Osteoblast, i find the fact on people having too much calcium interesting as i always thought you could never have too much calcium. A few years ago a doctor put my mother on calcium tablets just b/c she was 65. She started taking them and then noticed that her once virtually hairless arms began growing hairs which she feels coincided with the calcium supplement. She stopped taking it and no further hair growth. That was odd i thought.





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