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I recently picked up a book at the library called Food&Mood, second edition. It is really quite good, written by Elizabeth Somer M.A. , R.D. She has a number of tips about enhancing iron absorption , many of which we have discussed here before. One thing caught my eye that may be of help to others trying to get their ferritin up
She says to drink tea and coffee between meals , not at meals containing iron, because the tannins in coffee and tea will decrease iron absorption by 80% or more. Now that is alot- practically negating the iron you have taken in. Hope this helps.

On another topic, I recently went to a naturopath. First time I have seen an alternative medical professional. Interesting but do not think I will make it an on going relationship. She did make some suggestions though that I thought were worth a try. She advised using a Greens drink. Is anyone familiar with this? It is a powder that is said to contain the antioxidant load equivalent to eating over 10 fruits and vegetables. She gave me sample packets and for a yucky looking green drink , it tastes yummy to me (dh didn't think so) .I asked if I could just get this with a juicer and she said you would have to buy huge amounts of greens to get same level of antioxidants. Also for my thyroid, I have hashimoto's hypo, she said to double my omega 3 's fish oil capsules because of the anti inflammatory effect of the omega 3's.
[QUOTE=osteoblast;3275403]I recently picked up a book at the library called Food&Mood, second edition. It is really quite good, written by Elizabeth Somer M.A. , R.D. She has a number of tips about enhancing iron absorption , many of which we have discussed here before. One thing caught my eye that may be of help to others trying to get their ferritin up
She says to drink tea and coffee between meals , not at meals containing iron, because the tannins in coffee and tea will decrease iron absorption by 80% or more. Now that is alot- practically negating the iron you have taken in. Hope this helps.

On another topic, I recently went to a naturopath. First time I have seen an alternative medical professional. Interesting but do not think I will make it an on going relationship. She did make some suggestions though that I thought were worth a try. She advised using a Greens drink. Is anyone familiar with this? It is a powder that is said to contain the antioxidant load equivalent to eating over 10 fruits and vegetables. She gave me sample packets and for a yucky looking green drink , it tastes yummy to me (dh didn't think so) .I asked if I could just get this with a juicer and she said you would have to buy huge amounts of greens to get same level of antioxidants. Also for my thyroid, I have hashimoto's hypo, she said to double my omega 3 's fish oil capsules because of the anti inflammatory effect of the omega 3's.[/QUOTE]

I knew the bit about the tea. Found that out awhile ago and now I make sure that I don't drink my tea and have my cereal at the same time. I will drink my tea and then wait awhile to eat. I don't drink iced tea with meals now either. Someone I know was put on iron supplements and they just weren't working. Her doctor then made her keep a food journal and discovered that she was drinking iced tea all day with her meals. Once she cut back on the tea, her iron improved greatly.

As for the increase of the fish oil because of Hashimoto's, that doesn't make sense. Hashimoto's disease is an autoimmune disorder but not an inflammatory one like rheumatoid arthritis, so not sure how that was going to work. Also since some things are autoimmune related, I don't know if the omegas would help that. Also, be careful taking more than 1000 mg of fish oil per day--it can thin the blood quite a bit at higher levels.
Christine- Thanks for the information. Now I am concerned about the fish oil and wonder about her reasoning on this. I am going to try to find out more information. Where did you read the limit of 1000 mg fish oil a day, do you recall?Again something I will have to look at. I am a skeptical person when it comes to alternative medicine, but I wanted to see what the naturopath would say. Now, I need to do more research on what she said. It seems there is no end to the research- I am tiring of it.
osteo--the general guidelines for daily fish oil is 1000 mg. I've probably read it a million places; however, even if I had a reference I wouldn't be able to post that on this site. You can go over 1000 mg of fish oil, of course, dependent on what your situation is. Just know that with the higher doses you may get some side effects. Thinning the blood is the biggest one. I don't think it would cause any major problems--you just might bruise more easily and bleed more if cut.
Besides the caffeine in tea interfering with iron absorbtion, as a thyroid patient, its good to be aware that tea contains high amounts of fluoride, which isn't good for the thyroid (its an iodine blocker).
[QUOTE=Nyxie63;3276741]Besides the caffeine in tea interfering with iron absorbtion, as a thyroid patient, its good to be aware that tea contains high amounts of fluoride, which isn't good for the thyroid (its an iodine blocker).[/QUOTE]

Are Tannins considered Caffeine? I thought that it was something different. Is Caffeine bad for iron absorption as well?

Since my Ferritin has gone up I started having my afternoon High Tea again. I know why the call it "High Tea" it's all that gets me through the end of the day feeling good. I love my tea! FLFLOWERGIRL:)
It was my impression that only the tannins in tea were the culprit, not the caffeine.
Christine- You made me wonder about what the author of the book Food & Mood said about tannins in tea and coffee. I did a bit of research and indeed there are tannins in coffee and also tannins are found in walnuts. I eat walnuts daily, this habit though I am not going to change.Apparently the tannins in coffee are less than in tea. The author of the book has an M.A. and R.D. It seems she researched her book carefully, alot of footnotes to scientific studies and data.
I also love my tea and was fortunate to find one with only 2.8% tannins in it, which my doctor believes is a trivial amount. The tea is called Madura Tea and you can probably find info on the net about it. I have stopped drinking my morning coffee and actually haven't had a single coffee in just over 2 weeks now.

I never realised tannins were iodine blockers. Now that is interesting as in my last blood test i was found to be very low in iodine and now take iodine drops each morning. Apparently your iodine absorbtion is helped along by adequate zinc and if your iodine is low then that wont be helping the thyroid much. Out of curiosity, have any of your doctors tested your iodine levels?

Regarding the "greens", i purchased a product called Ultimate Greens by a company/brand called Life Stream. It's made from spiruline, chlorella and barley grass. It contains a whole host of vitamins/minerals, including iron. This one tastes rather foul, but not bad when added to smoothies.

My energy levels were slipping a bit after the high energy feeling after my series of iron injections. All of last week i was drinking my beetroot juice combo as well as the smoothies with the raw egg yolk and i began feeling much better, which i attributed to this.

There certainly never is an end to the research and learning on this topic.
Audrey,

I've had my iodine levels tested in prep for a thyroid scan. Believe me, low iodine is NOT a problem.:D I just posted about this on the other thread, but according to my doc, most people in the U.S. have too much iodine based on it being added to salt. Only the most "extreme" eaters (healthy eaters that is) would have lower iodine levels because they would not be using table salt nor any prepared foods. Prior to my treatments, I have to go on a two week diet to shed iodine from my body.
Audrey--I'm going to see if I can find this tea to try. I wonder if it's at my Healthfood store. I'm always open to trying new teas :) .

Osteo--You say that tea has more tannins than coffee. That's funny because coffee has always been worse than tea in other areas of health. I always thought myself lucky that I drank tea. Hum..... I wouldn't stop the walnuts, but I would treat them the same as you would if it were tea. Eating them between meals not with the iron rich foods or it WILL decrease your iron absorption.

My husband has HH and they tell him to drink tea with his meals to wash out the iron. Can you believe what it is like trying to cook for the two of us? When he eats what I do because it sounds good, that week when he gives his weekly pint of blood his HCT number is always up a couple points.

I think that between meals tea is fine, it has been for me. Something to be said for moderation. As for thyroid that doesn't seem to make a difference that I can tell. Audrey is right this is a never ending subject. Hopefully one day we will get past all this and be normal again. FLFLOWERGIRL:)
Flowergirl- Hi! I saw your post and thought I might catch you on the thread here. How are you and your son doing? I hope well!
Osteo--Thanks so much for thinking of us. I will answer your post on the original thread so that I don't go ~Off Topic~ here. Although, I do believe that we go OT on many threads here LOL! Thanks again! FLFLOWERGIRL:)
Christine - I don't eat any preprepared or convenience foods and pretty much do all my own cooking using raw meat/veg/salads etc and the only salt that gets into the food is the salt i put in. Admittedly i probably haven't always used iodised salt, so that could be the culprit for me. I left a reply on the other thread where you posted about iodine. Here in Australia, according to the doctor i see, he see's a lot of people who end up being low in iodine on there tests. He gave me an explanation also regarding the Australian soils and how they are depleted in certain things so even if you are buying fresh foods you arent necessarily getting the right quantity of certain vitamins/minerals.

My iodine was 25 ug/L and it should be up at 100 or more. This is why he believes this could also be causing my thyroid to be a bit out.

FLFLOWERGIRL - I can just imagine your kitchen at meal times!! That would be awful having someone eat/drink whatever they like while you have to be so super careful. Sometimes i truly get tired of not eating this with that, not drinking this with that. It gets very frustrating and some days i feel like being a rebel and just forgetting about it all, but then there is the fear of going backwards with the ferretin and i most definitely dont want that.

Not sure if this tea is available in healthfood stores. It could be or some other company might be making the same type of low tannin black tea. I love it b/c it tastes like normal black tea and you would NEVER tell the difference.





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