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Cant recall exactly who said what so i'll just lump everything together if that's ok.

First of all for all those Hashimoto's groupies out there, the inability to absorb things, particularly iron and vitamin D has VERY strong links to Hashimoto's. Most of us suffer with that. I saw my doc today and he also said the higher your vitamin D the better your T3 will become. It basically helps your T3 along.

Make sure you check for gluten intolerance as that will diminish the ability for nutrients to be absorbed too. On my gluten intolerance test i got and 18 and 15 was the max. My doc classed me as being a 'little' intolerant but even so advised me to ease off all things gluten or just eat very few gluten products. I found this cafe which does the yummiest gluten free orange/almond cake YUM :D

Hair........... well we all want our hair back and it seems to be the most stressful thing to lose. I'd trade less energy for some real hair growth. Even though my ferretin got to 61 after 2 long years of trying, i still had hair loss (didn't know i had Hashi's then). Suddenly my hair stopped falling out for 1 good month. I couldn't believe it. I thought this was it, the end of hair shedding. Then after the 1 good month my hair began shedding all over again. I couldn't work out the mystery. Why stop shedding for 1 month then start again. Some months late it hit me..... Iodine. It had to be the iodine my doctor had given me 3 months earlier. I had used it for a few months and never got a repeat bottle of iodine as my levels had come up nicely.

Well i didn't know at that time that i was Hashi's and didn't know that if i stop taking iron,iodine and vitamin D that my levels will drop either due to my thyroid or something else. My thyroid doctor has begun supplement me with iodine again as he did an iodine load test where you drink a certain amount of iodine and then collect your urine over a particular amount of time. They can then measure how much iodine you lose in a 24hr period. This test showed that for the time being i have to stay on my iodine drops till further notice. My hair is shedding closer to normal now, but i don't know whether it's due to the iodine or all the other things i've been doing in the last 3 months since having my thyroid treated. With hair you wont notice immediate results anyway. It usually takes 3 months or so to begin noticing a proper hair growth cycle after whatever has been fixed.

As for reflux treatment and inhibiting iron absorbtion. A guy i work with had a reflux issue and one of his doctors finally put him on some prescription enzymes and his reflux has gone.

I'm also on prescription digestive enzymes as my pancrease doesn't make sufficient enzymes to digest protein so it sits, ferments and inflames my thyroid. I've been on the enzymes since mid april and my stomach is better, no more bloating and i'm hoping that things are digesting better and i'm getting more nutrients.

My previous doctor who treated my anemia and my thyroid doctor have both said that quite often malabsorbtion of necessary vitamins/minerals and digestive issues are connected to thyroid patients and they nearly always see low iron in particular and low vitamin D, digestive issues, metabolism issues eg: most often slow metabolism, hormonal issues, messed up monthly cycles, hair shedding, chronic tiredness and adrenal issues.

My doctor did say that the hair shedding can be due to a hormonal imbalance (i have too much estrogen and a little too much testosterone), but it can very possibly be related to my digestive system not digesting protein, it can also be due to insufficient T3 for my thyroid. I've been on a T3 med since april and he started me off on a slow dosage and i'm responding well to it. Right now he has added a tiny bit .05mg of a Thyroxine tablet to the mix and in 6 weeks i'll have a blood test to see whether i'm responding. He said some people respond best with only T3 med's and don't do well when a T4 med is added, while others do best on a combo of T3 and T4.

My doctor also has me drinking isolate whey protein every morning with breakfast to kickstart my metabolism and to add badly needed protein to my diet. Eventhough i was a big meat eater my body wasn't absorbing it due to the lack of enzymes i mentioned. You don't have to eat red meat every single day. 3 nights per week is good. Other nights you can have white meat or fish. You can get protein from pulses and nuts.
A nice lentil soup is good. Also almond, brazil nuts and cashews when eaten together are a complete protein, just like meat. Iron from meat is likely the easiest for out bodies to absorb and we dont just get iron from meat, but a lot of other essential things.

A lot of people also lack selenium in their diests. Too much selenium or too little can cause hair loss, but apparently 4 brazil nuts per day is all the selenium you need. The ones from brazil are actually supposed to be the best.

With all things, whether it's vitamin D, iodine, selenium etc etc don't just start taking it of your own accord as overdosing on it can be as bad as not having enough. Get a blood test first and take it from there.

There is always a reason for low ferretin. It is NOT normal for ferretin to take months or years to fix. Once you begin supplementing with iron and you do not see it rise considerably in the first month or 2 and it's taking forever to go up, then you have a BIG problem. Low iron that takes forever is always a symptom of something else. You need to find that something else.
I second that......... Thanks for starting this thread jlt18 :) I think the anemia section needs a thread like this for those suffering from both thyroid and low iron levels.

My doctor didn't actually explain that hypo can lead to lowered acid levels, which leads to malabsorbtion and lowered body temperature etc etc. My Trichologist and my thyroid doctor only stated that they have seen a lot of ladies with a thyroid condition which accompanied difficult to raise ferretin, as well as digestive issues which particularly concerned digestion of protein. Getting the right amount of protein is important for the thyroid, iron, hair/skin/nails, and the liver, which are the areas i'm familiar with and having problems with.

A lady in a healthfood store guessed that my blood group was type A. She said type A's tend to have less stomach acid for digestive purposes and you need those if you are a meat eater in particular. My current doctor guessed prior to any testing that the majority of my hair loss was due to a form of malnutrition due to the lack of certain vitamins/minerals due to the malabsorbtion issues. He said a lot of people have this and don't know it.

I do know that my hair shedding wouldn't have been solely related to one thing, but taking into consideration the protein issue (as well as my low iron and low iodine) it's likely no wonder i was losing so much hair. It's slowed in the last couple of months, but it has done that in the past during the coldest part of winter and then resumed shedding once the weather hotted up. Very unusual that it stops during winter. Will see what happens once we get into spring. I have had a lot of new growth and my mother says my hair looks like someone took a pair of siccors to it and took a few strands here and there and chopped them off into various lengths. I don't need a hairdresser to layer my hair. It kinda managed to do that all on it's own :D Makes me look a bit wild an woolley at times :D

Not sure if i mentioned it on here or the thyroid board, but a guy i work with had reflux issues and his doctor put him on some prescription enzymes and he said it fixed his reflux issues.

I found learning about anemia much easier than learning about the thyroid as the thyroid encompasses so many other areas and it gets very technical. On the thyroid board i tend to feel like a fish out of water. No matter how much i read i tend to find it hard going. Are any of you on adrenal med's for low or high cortisol levels? I've got low cortisol so am taking medication to help my adrenal fatigue as this also tends to go hand in hand with Hypo. Last night i decided to look up a little more information on the adrenals and refresh my mind on what can go wrong if your Endo has simply stuck you on thyroid meds and not checked out your adrenals and it is SCARY!!!!

Marilla - i'm not sure about Hashi's being in/curable. I think it depends on your doctor, how much he/she knows or is willing to do for you, what situation your thyroid is in at the moment and a heap of other things. I'll be seeing my doctor in about 4 or so weeks time for a new blood test. I'll ask him about some Hashi's success stories.

FLFLOWERGIRL - fingers crossed you get a positive outcome with your test results. I know how VERY important it is and how it's such a BIG thing. I don't think anybody but a fellow sufferer can know just how big a deal it is to have these repeat tests done and how much we pray for an improvement on past results. Be brave and wear that little bandaid with pride once it's over :D
cathy57 - i'm like you, my hair shedding was uniform and from all over my scalp and i never went "bald" or "alopecia-like". My Trichologist did say that anemia or other illnesses which cause hair loss can bring on early alopcea if it is genetic. Thankfully i didn't have that to worry over as well. It's bad enough losing so much of it, but if i ended up with the alopecia that would have just added to my woes.

The other thing which seems to run in the thyroid family is gluten intolerance. My doctor has advised me to eat as little as possible of any gluten products.

Getting sufficient sleep is also important.

My BIG thing at the moment is staying away from anything to do with soy.
[QUOTE=webdiva;3688028]Anyone have sudden rapid pattern hair loss due to hyper-, hypo-, Hashi's, or poor conversion? Cortisol is high and testosterone is slightly high.

Thanks for any help.[/QUOTE]

I have Hashi's and have always had hair loss to some degree (a little noticeable shedding) nothing too awful.

When I was anemic on the other hand, it was terrible:(. I had hair all over my clothing, floors and it would get into my food, that was the worst besides the scare this caused me. Iron loss has been my main reason for a large amount of loss over a period of time. As far as the continued small amount of hair loss it must be thyroid related, I really don't know for sure. My hair sheds evenly. FLFLOWERGIRL:)
I just read over on the thyroid board that someone's doctor said that hair shedding can be attributed to TSH levels fluctuating up and down. Once the TSH stabilises so does the hair shedding. Interesting theory and one i've not come across before, but i suppose it does make sense, although i do believe ferretin levels hav a lot to do with it too.
cathy57 - Yes i've had a gluten test. The maximum range was 15 and i got an 18 so my thyroid doctor told me i could have gluten products, but to be careful how much. I don't have any noticeable side effects from gluten i eat, i'd say it may lead to some malabsorbtion issues though. It's more of a 'silent' issue with me and i'd never know i had any gluten issues otherwise. This could partly be the reason why my ferretin dropped.

My digestion............. basically i have not been digesting protein as i've not got sufficient pancreatic enzymes. This could be a big part of the reason why my ferretin dropped and it would have added to my hair shedding woes. I'm now taking prescription digestive enzymes with all my main meals and i feel so much better. No more bloating or feeling super tired after meals. I used to be able to eat a horse and chase the jockey before as i'd be STARVING all the time but i didn't really ever put on much weight and most people would marvel at how i could eat so much and not gain weight. Now since i've been on the enzymes i eat normal meals, don't feel starving 24/7 and i'm sure the badly needed protein will be appreciated by my body, energy levels, hair, metabolism, thyroid and liver and whatever else needs it.

My thyroid doctor has me on 'isolate whey protein' at breakfast time to boost my slow metabolism. Yes, i have a slow metabolism courtesy of my thyroid, but can't believe how i never put on the weight with all the food i ate. Admittedly i do eat very healthy, but perhaps never put on the weight due to malabsorbtion issues leading to a semi-malnutricious state i suppose.

Eating protein at breakfast also helps your 'coping skills' and decreases our stress levels, which in turn is good as you wear out much sooner with Hashi's and we need all the coping skills and decreased stress levels we can get :D

I do not go near soy products if i can help it, but it's in everything these days from bread to chocolate. Soy is not good for the thyroid as far as i'm aware. I think this mostly came about after genetically modified soy came onto the market as it's so cheap. I have heard some say you can have soy in 'this form' but not 'that form' if you have a thyroid condition. I simply keep away from it as i have enough issues without causing more. I read the ingredients on anything shop bought and virtually everything has Soy in it. Sometimes you think something doesn't contain soy, but the manufacturer disguises the 'soy' in other wording eg: vitamin E, vegetable oil, vegetable gum.

No wonder so many of us are sick. It's bad enough with the pollution, chemicals in the water and hormones they feed to the animals we eat or milk we drink and then you have to be super vigilant when it comes to things you buy in the supermarket too!! This is why i cook most things from scratch and i'm lucky my mother still keeps hens and she gives me lots of fresh eggs from hens which haven't been fed hormones. Her hens run around on a farm totally free range.

You asked about sleep..... basically if i don't get enough sleep i'm simply tired, but there are times i've only had 6 or 7 hours sleep and i feel 'wired'. I just make sure i get to bed earlier the following night. I did start to get good and bad sleep phase cycles about a year prior to being diagnosed with Hashi's. Since beging medicated i notice my sleep patterns are a lot more uniform these days, which is a blessing.
I have Hashimotos and my doctor said the same thing, that it could initially cause hair shedding but that should stabalize. My thyroid issues have been stable for a long time but I still have a ferritin of 4-5, even after taking iron supplements for almost a year. Colonsocopy, endoscopy shows nothing wrong.
prokureur - The reason my doctor is doing everything for me is that he works in a University and he deals with small groups of "problem patients". By 'problem', i mean people who are doing all the right things, yet are having problems raising their ferretin and have a diagnosed thyroid condition. It also helps that this doctor is a Hashi's sufferer himself and relates to all we are going through. I'd say it's more like my guardian angels were looking after me as i did a heap of research on here, then as a last resort found a Trichologist for my hair loss (i had given up on all other doctors) and he diagnosed my Hashi's, helped lift my ferretin and he is the one who knows my current doctor and referred me on. It was more like an unplanned chain of events.

I agree with FLFLOWERGIRL, gluten intolerance and low B12 are often causes of low iron as well as all the other things eg: internal bleeding, heavy periods, vegetarian diet etc. My current doctor wants my ferretin over 100 and even up to 125. A higher ferretin is very beneficial for the thyroid too. I guess if you have had one of those biopsies (or whatever they do) to diagnose gluten intolerance or Celiacs and it's come back that you dont have that then that rules that out. It's probably good to get the biopsy done as blood tests can give false positives and false negatives. You should get your B12 checked too.

In my case, i'm not sure how much of my slow rising ferretin is due to gluten and how much to not being able to digest protein. I've been reading up on malabsorption issues and it's amazing how the inability to digest certain things can cause quite a lot of different side effects ef: edema (swelling anywhere in the body), dry skin, hair loss, anemia, easy bruising, dehydration, fatigue, vision problems. Taking those symptoms into account, who knows just how many things could be/were affecting my hair shedding.

At the end of the day, no matter what your doctor is or isn't doing, you need to do as much research, learn as much as you can and make lists, find out who can do more tests and then start ruling things out. I guess it doesn't help when doctors say your tests came back 'normal' just because the test results are 'within range'. That's why boards like this are great as there are a number of people around who really know their stuff and can help with test results.
Cathy - i am on thyroid meds for both T3 and T4, but i don't take any meds on the morning of my blood test, not even any vitamins. This test gets done first thing in the morning too.

Not sure if you have had your adrenals checked out, but the retesting i do for my adrenals get's done first thing in the morning as early as possible. For this test i fast and take no med's what so ever until the blood test is over.

In the past no doctors ever told me optimum times for blood testing. It is only my current doctor and the Trichologist who i used to see that have told me that all hormonal forms of testing should get done early in the morning.

I agree, that Trichologist's site has some great info. Finding his site on the net and combining it with stuff i learnt from others on the healthboard is what convinced me to go with him. I'm not sure whether he still does, but he used to either have a practice in Virginia or was in some way connected to something there. I was sorting out a heap of paperwork and i found one of those 'with compliments' slips amongts it all and it said something about 'Trichology of Virginia'. Not sure whether that is the case any more as i dont see the Virginia address on the later slips he gave me. I do know he goes overseas and he lectures and i think he also teaches people. He is extremely knowledgeable in a lot of the issues most of us are having, just here in Australia he isn't seen as an actual "doctor" and can't write out prescriptions or pathology requests. I would have to get a letter from him, take it to my GP and then get a pathology request from my GP and then go to pathology for the blood draw. In the USA he is able to do all that himself. I guess different countries have different laws.

That's odd about your hair shedding from different sides of your head according to your meds being too high or low. I've never heard of that before. My shedding is always uniform.

ps: thought i'd look up that Trichology of Virginia and yes my previous doctor is the clinical director there. Not quite sure what that means, whether he actually has a practice there or not. Will check it out later when i have more time.





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