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Hi Scout, I ended up going to the clinic DR because I needed to know the blood test results-I wanted to give myself my B12 but didn't know if I should. So didn't see my own Dr but did get results and he said my B12 was high which didn't surprise me as it had only been a week since my last injection. My iron is on the low side-not terribly low but enough to make me fatigued plus I have some virus that is going around, they never say the flu - it's a virus. Well it feels like the flu! Any way he didn't give me any counts because he wanted to leave that up to my Dr, I started up my ferrous gluconate iron on my own and cancelled my appt for today with my GP- we are snowed in here so I see him on Christmas Eve day- his receptionist insists on a follow-up with my own Dr, they track me down for these feaking appts that I hate. Every time I go to that clinic I get sicker like I did last time. So between virus and low iron and my thyroid may even be low I haven't had that checked in a long time. I feel I spend my life at the Dr's office and I hate it. I take so much medication for everything it's no wonder I have gerd. I have type 2 diabetes and take 2 metformin twice a day for that, lipitor for high tryglicerides,pantaloc for gerd, altace for high BP, wellbutrin xl and Prozac for depression, 3 inhalers for COPD, fluid pill for BP and HRT to keep my head together and now supplements too. But because of the meds all of it is under control with good levels, without the meds I probably wouldn't be here I'd crash into a coma! ha!

I got diagnosed with fibromyalgia a few months ago although I know I have had it for years. I hate the stigma of fibromyalgia so I say I have a muscle and soft tissue pain but I know my joints are also involved so I think it is arthritis with muscle and tissue pain around the joints. I went to a reumatory specialist to get the diagnoses but I think they like to catagorize women into the "if you don't know call it fibromyalgia" I do believe there is fibro but I hate saying the word because people think it's a hypochondria name. It's very very real and very painful so something is going on.

I have no idea how long the iron will take to make me feel better and I will continue with the B12 shots because I know when my legs ache and my head is foggy and I'm tired it's time but maybe just every month instead of bi-weekly. You are so right about menopause affecting B12 and lots of other things. I keep reminding my husband I am in menopause and he says "so am I" ha! Because he is going through it because of me, I don't notice I am any different but he does.

Have a good day Scout
ebrena--Have you had your thyroid checked out for Hashimoto's Thyroiditis? Many of your conditions (except COPD) could be related even the Fibro--Hypo-T, I was just wondering if you have had this testing. FLFLOWERGIRL:)
Hello Flowergirl thanks for responding to my post-I actually do have Hashimotos Thyroid I have had it for about 20 years right now I am taking 100mcg synthroid daily. However this exhausted feeling is very similar to thyroid tired as well. My aunt is also Hashimoto Thyroid and she was getting so tired, one day after work she was putting her running shoes on to force herself to go for her walk- she woke up an hour later on the carpet-one shoe on and one shoe in her hand! That's a tired thyroid!! I can actually fall asleep listening to my husband talk-wake up later and my lights on, my glasses are on and hubby is sleeping in his reclyner by then! I am going to mention to my Dr when I go back to recheck my thyroid it has bee a while as my blood sugars. Oh yippee

Hi Scout, it's good to vent so vent all you want. In Canada I can by my B12 injectable from behind the drug store counter and I give it to myself in my hip. Sounds awful however to me it is better than in the thigh like I was orignally shown at least in my hip I can't see whats going on and it doesn't really bother me. Can you buy it behind the counter in the US? I will continue the B12 because a lot of the meds I take affect B12 and it may have been high on the test but I had only just give myself 2500ml a week before so it would still be in there.

I just came off of 5 days of erythromycin for a sinus/chest infection however I think it is a viral because I still have sinus and a cough-oh I do get so tired of being a slug due to my health. I know I am in good health compared to other people that's for sure- I guess I just miss the energy and enthusiasm I no longer have. There are a few meds I take that deplete B12 so I will continue with it; I'm not sure what muscle fisculation means but if it means spasms- not really-I just have constant muscle pain mostly on my upper chest, back, shoulders, head, arms and hips-it will usually affect one side only and it is a roaming pain-like it could be my neck today and my hip tomorrow. I did go for nerve conduction tests to see if it could be neurapathy from diabetes but it only showed a minor amount in my legs to my feet. When I went to the rheumy specialist he poked at some of the "tender point's" and I think if you have 18 or more tender points they class you as fibromyalgia. Look up Fibromyalgia and see if you can find a diagram of the body that shows the tender points for fibromyalgia-it can limit you very much if you go into a flare like sometimes up the back of my head will be so tight and sore I can't turn my head and it hurts constantly till it goes somewhere else. I was given 2 different prescriptions that I didn't like because they made me so tired and also made my head more foggy than it already is. So I take Celebrex with noraflex or I'll take Tylenol 3's alternatively because I don't like taking NSAIDS all the time. If I am not sore I don't take anything, where as the meds for fibro need to be taken daily up to 3 times a day-I don't like that.

You are cranky Scout because you don't feel well and you can't even get to see your Dr. Have you had your thyroid checked? It is so common in woman our age-men do get it but more often it's women who suffer all the silly ailments forever and the men just get it over with quick. Most men don't go to DR's I know my husband doesn't. He is so patient with me though I have to say that, he can tell when I am not well. I early ritired from my longterm government service 3 years ago to lok after my sick mom besides I was so done in with the job it was time. Now I think I would like to go to work, but if I think too much I have to go lie down!

As for the lack of good Dr's and awful medical system it's scary! I seem to get a different Dr everytime I go I don't know who my Dr is.
ebrena--Well, I think I remember now that you said you had Hashi's in another post. I didn't know that at the time I posted, your symptoms just sound so much thyroid related. Do you take a t-3 med/t-4 combo by any chance? I am reading the Thyroid Solution right now and it states that if you have fibro-Hypo that you really need to be treated with this med protocol. I have many of your same symptoms, but have not been DX with Fibro my Endo is terrible anyway but I will not go there. I read that when treated with these meds much of the pain and symptoms go away. It's worth a try for you if you have not done so already. Many people with Hashi's also have a low ferritin it is a known fact. FLFFLOWERGIRL:)
[QUOTE=FLFLOWERGIRL;3826272]ebrena--Well, I think I remember now that you said you had Hashi's in another post. I didn't know that at the time I posted, your symptoms just sound so much thyroid related. Do you take a t-3 med/t-4 combo by any chance? I am reading the Thyroid Solution right now and it states that if you have fibro-Hypo that you really need to be treated with this med protocol. I have many of your same symptoms, but have not been DX with Fibro my Endo is terrible anyway but I will not go there. I read that when treated with these meds much of the pain and symptoms go away. It's worth a try for you if you have not done so already. Many people with Hashi's also have a low ferritin it is a known fact. FLFFLOWERGIRL:)[/QUOTE]

Hi again Flowergirl I don't know what a t-3 med/t-4combo is but please tell me so I can tell my Dr next week. I am definatley going to have my thyroid rechecked and I think they only check the basics. I used to go to an endocologist and I think she was looking ayt the whole scope because there was a time a GP had me on 250mcg's synthroid throwing my thyroid off and shutting down my pituatory gland I was a mess I didn't even look like myself. Everytime I got a cold he would up my synthroid my endo was beside herself over that. Now I take 100mcgs and have for a couple years so it's time to check it out, my nails are soft and my hair is coming out and I really do have all the signs of Thyroid issue's again.-Thanks for bringing that up to me.
ebrena--Oh yes, I think that it's time for you to see a specialist. At least get all of the thyroid issues in order, otherwise you will not be so successful with all the other things whether they are related to thyroid or not as a cause. I have read that if your iron is out of balance that so is your thyroid. When I was going to doctors they all said make sure that your thyroid is checked, but we were checking it all the time. My doctor was leaving my TSH too high and I thought that it was okay. If you have Hashi's your TSH should be a 1. I am at 4 something. Now, I have muscle aches and joint pains, have already seen another specialist for that and he said, I don't have those things as RA and such. I also had a Dexa scan and all is normal. So, I think that it is thyroid related. You really ~need~ to check out the book The Thyroid Solution by Dr. Arem. Cytomel a T-3 medication along with a combo of Synthroid is what this doctor uses. Many people on the Thyroid board take this form of therapy. I am finding out that some doctors do not agree with this practice and you have to find one that does. Nothing is easy is it? I take 75 Synthroid and have had Hashi's for 5 years now. I can't imagine how I would feel if I had it for 20 years like you. They say the longer that you are Hypo the symptoms become much worse. Never once had a problem other than a little more tired than a normal person (liked to sleep), a little hair fell out, nothing I couldn't live with. Now, since my anemia, I hurt and feel old when I use my muscles. The crazy thing is my doctor keeps telling me no thyroid is not the cause but ALL of my books tell me different and Fibro IS related to Hypo-T, infact, they say that it actually is secondary to Hypo. So you see, someone is incorrect here. I would suggest that you pop over to the thyroid board plus use the search box for Cytomel and read what is being said. You may even want to post for a doctor where you live that may use this form of meds. I'm in the same boat as you so keep on going. Anemia and low ferritin is just a symptom ~OF SOMETHING ELSE~ not a condition or disease in and of itself. FLFLOWERGIRL:)
Yes Flowergirl it is all connected from the endrocone system so makes sence and I reall do feel that Thyroid tired-and then with low iron and the B12 what a tired girl I am. I am going to go to Amazon.ca and order that book and read up on it all. Thanks so much.





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