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It's not worth going off the iron supplements until you have reached a decently high figure. My current and previous doctors want ferretin at 70 +. If you do go off the supplements you do need follow up checks to see if your iron is dropping. If it's dropping then it's time to play detective and figure out all the things which could be a cause. For instance, mine is partially linked to gluten intolerance, to low pancreatic enzymes so i have problems digesting protein, it's also linked to my thyroid as their are thyroid receptors in the stomach which affect how things work too.

There are so many reasons, but you can't rely on a doctor to go through them all, they either don't have time or don't care. If you are about to drop dead they know the ER is there. Sort of like out of sight, out of mind. It's sad :(
The fact your mother had hyperthyroidism places you at higher risk of getting it as it can be a genetic thing. The issues is that most doctors do what tests they want and not what you feel is necessary. The doctors will then simply say you are within range, nothing wrong, go home. That's why it took me 8 years to get medication, but i only found out last year that it runs in my dad's family. Wish i'd known sooner then i could have possibly gotten the doctors i saw to take me more seriously.

The problem is, as i said before, if your TSH looks good they wont medicate you, regardless of what else is going on. This is the BIG debate now between patients and doctors. Just go over onto the thyroid board and that is testimony enough of what is going on.

having said all that, you might not have an actual thyroid problem, it could all be to do with your ferretin. In fact, a long standing low ferretin can affect the thyroid. the doctor who diagnosed me waited for my ferretin to rise, then when he saw my T3 and T4 where not where he felt they ought to be, he ordered the Thyroid Antibodies test and my antibodies showed i had Hashimoto's.

In my dad's case, his T3 and T4 were high and various other things were too high or low. Once he addressed certain things like Vit D and B12, he found that a heap of things self corrected. His cholesterol went down to a desirable level, which it hadn't in years, his calcium rose and a number of thyroid issues which were out by a bit and possibly causing symptoms ended up coming closer to where they ought to be.

So basically with the thyroid you either have a thyroid problem or start of one or you only have a thyroid problem due to being low in a number of supplements.
gemini 123, that is a long list of symptems, but it's good to have them noted down. They could be moslty to do with low ferretin or a combination of ferretin and something else.

I have often read on the thyroid board that once people began taking medication their various aches and pains stopped, but then i've heard similar statements from people with low ferretin and also with those who had very low Vit D and began taking supplements. The problem is that so many symptoms cross over and any number of health problems can share very similar symptoms.

The thing is to find out how many illnesses within reason share your main symptoms and start asking doctors for testing. You have likely already read that alongside ferretin it's a good idea to have things like B12, vitamin D, zinc, iodine, folate, thyroid panel (TSH, Free T3, Free T4, thyroid antibodies) tested. Even hormone balances can cause a lot of symptoms eg: excess estrogen and testosterone or lack of. Sometimes some women have symptoms due to insufficient progesterone. Once hormones are back in order a lot of symptoms can disappear. All hormone testing is best done in the morning. If you are getting an iodine test, it's best done as a urine test as it's more accurate than a blood test.
[QUOTE=Audrey-B;3879177]gemini 123, that is a long list of symptems, but it's good to have them noted down. They could be moslty to do with low ferretin or a combination of ferretin and something else.

I have often read on the thyroid board that once people began taking medication their various aches and pains stopped, but then i've heard similar statements from people with low ferretin and also with those who had very low Vit D and began taking supplements. The problem is that so many symptoms cross over and any number of health problems can share very similar symptoms.

The thing is to find out how many illnesses within reason share your main symptoms and start asking doctors for testing. You have likely already read that alongside ferretin it's a good idea to have things like B12, vitamin D, zinc, iodine, folate, thyroid panel (TSH, Free T3, Free T4, thyroid antibodies) tested. Even hormone balances can cause a lot of symptoms eg: excess estrogen and testosterone or lack of. Sometimes some women have symptoms due to insufficient progesterone. Once hormones are back in order a lot of symptoms can disappear. All hormone testing is best done in the morning. If you are getting an iodine test, it's best done as a urine test as it's more accurate than a blood test.[/QUOTE]

Thanks Audrey
I have a doctors appointment on monday, I have felt awful over the last two weeks so i need to get something done about it.

From the guidance i have had here i thought i would ask for further blood tests - perhaps hormone and full thyroid test and vitamins then go from there because at the moment i cannot lead a full normal life like i want to.
I want to have enough energy to go riding and take the kids out and generally have fun and this is getting in my way.
Isn't it just rotten how people working in a field where they are supposed to be "people" orientated are just awful. I just don't understand why people go into the nursing or teaching profession, but are not genuine people persons with warmth and understanding as those two areas need people who have that natural nurturing ability!!

That is so sad to read that you had to go through your birthing experience all alone and to have your mother so ill in another ward. I think i'd be screaming blue murder!! Or someone would end up with a pencil stuck where it wasn't required. Just makes me so mad.

How long ago did you have your baby? It's not uncommon for women to need iron supplements during/after pregnancy. It's also not uncommon for women to get thyroid issues after going through pregnancy/birth. Experts believe thryoid issues are linked to postpartum depression. When your thyroid hormone T4 gets low it triggers lower moods and depression and no form of antidepressant can help. In fact the main times associated with getting a thyroid disorder are during major hormonal shifts and that is in the teens, pregnancy and menopause.

In case i've not mentioned it elsewhere, they ought to check your TSH, T4, T3 and Thyroid Antibodies.

Good luck with your appiontment :)
gemini123 - that is excellent news that you are feeling better :) It most definitely does take a long time for a lot of people to lift their ferritin. You have to remember that as your stores are so depleted, your body will use what little stores are available for your internal organs, muscles, bone marrow etc. Your energy levels will get what is left and at the start there isn't much left so you feel tired all the time and feel that the iron supplements aren't doing a thing, when in fact they are, but it's going to other more needy areas of your body.

I'm sure you will get better and better as the weeks go on. If on the other hand, like me, you still feel sluggish and tired then it would most definitely be due to your thyroid and/or adrenals.

The other thing which can cause tiredness and period problems is imbalance of estrogen to progesterone ratio. I didn't know how bad this could be until recently. Estrogen excess is something so many females have. It's brought on by quite a number of things and can lead to growth of fibroids, PCOS, endometriosis, heavy periods, period pain etc. Did they do an outter and inner pelvic ultrasound and did they find any fibroids? as fibroids can cause all sorts of period problems and they love an excess estrogen environment. If your period situation continues then i'd be getting your hormones tested and if you have excess estrogen then it's a good idea to balance it out, rather than getting the coil mentioned. I'm glad you looked into it rather than having it fitted right away as there are always side effects and doctors play down the side effects at times to your detriment later.

Looks like your energy levels are just on time for spring. You are in England? I think there is nothing nicer than the English countryside in spring/summer. Enjoy :)
[QUOTE=Audrey-B;3914746]gemini123 - that is excellent news that you are feeling better :) It most definitely does take a long time for a lot of people to lift their ferritin. You have to remember that as your stores are so depleted, your body will use what little stores are available for your internal organs, muscles, bone marrow etc. Your energy levels will get what is left and at the start there isn't much left so you feel tired all the time and feel that the iron supplements aren't doing a thing, when in fact they are, but it's going to other more needy areas of your body.[COLOR="DarkRed"]thanks Audrey, i am going to take things slowly so i dont use up the iron that i am managing to store eg not up to going running just yet but i have energy to do daily things which in turn means i can cope with things more easily:)[/COLOR]

I'm sure you will get better and better as the weeks go on. If on the other hand, like me, you still feel sluggish and tired then it would most definitely be due to your thyroid and/or adrenals.[COLOR="darkred"]sorry to hear you are still feeling the symptoms, i hope things improve for you with the meds x[/COLOR]

The other thing which can cause tiredness and period problems is imbalance of estrogen to progesterone ratio. I didn't know how bad this could be until recently. Estrogen excess is something so many females have. It's brought on by quite a number of things and can lead to growth of fibroids, PCOS, endometriosis, heavy periods, period pain etc. Did they do an outter and inner pelvic ultrasound and did they find any fibroids? [COLOR="darkred"]no, no ultrasound done at all just felt my abdomen with his hands and said all was fine (i did feel tender on the lower right side though)[/COLOR]as fibroids can cause all sorts of period problems and they love an excess estrogen environment. If your period situation continues then i'd be getting your hormones tested and if you have excess estrogen then it's a good idea to balance it out, rather than getting the coil mentioned. I'm glad you looked into it rather than having it fitted right away as there are always side effects and doctors play down the side effects at times to your detriment later.[COLOR="darkred"]yes i am glad i have not had this done i felt so rotten at the time that i would have done anything to feel better!! I mentioned the hormones but he did not offer a test for it they just wanted to fit the coil i feel to stop me moaning[/COLOR]

Looks like your energy levels are just on time for spring. You are in England? I think there is nothing nicer than the English countryside in spring/summer. Enjoy :)[/QUOTE][COLOR="darkred"]It has been colder than ususal over here but now it is getting a bit warmer and the spring flowers are coming out. I have some space in the back garden enough for a small vegetable patch which will get me in the fresh air in between studies :)[/COLOR]

All the best x
Hi Gemini - yes it does appear that your immune system would be improving as even your lymphocytes have improved.

Your B12 has dropped. Were you taking B12 before and stopped or you have never taken it? Your folate has dropped a bit too, this would likely be due to you not absorbing as much B12 as your body would ideally like. Some people take a B12 and folate supplement together, although a lot of the brands of multi B vitamins already appear to have a little folate in them. Not sure whether the B12 ones do.

Good on your receptionist for advising you to keep up with the iron supplements. You have moved up, but it's not rocketing up. See in 3 months how you go, but make certain your ferritin is up nice and high at least 50 if not 70. The higher your ferritin the better other functions within the body can operate and if you can push it up to 125 and stay there, that is the optimum level for your phase 2 liver detox. That's the one which is important for women and men as this level of detox gets rid of excess estrogen, rather than storing it, among other things.

Raising your ferritin is also beneficial for the thyroid. Long term low levels of ferritin can affect the thyroid.

I dont recall, were you taking vitamin D too? Often when you are low in so many things you are also most likely low in Vit d.

I'm not certain about your thyroid results eg; your T4 lab range is just a little different to my range so i'd not like to comment incase i'm on the wrong track :) I see they didn't test your T3 and they didn't run the test to check whether you had an autoimmune thyroid condition by running a Thyroid Antibodies test. Often they wont run this test if your TSH appears "normal", which is a mistake as a lot of people can fall into the "normal" range, yet have an autoimmune thyroid condition all along. This was my case and that's how i went without treatment for 9 years and i'd had Hashimoto's all along. Your thyroid TSH is in the normal range at 1.28, doctors wont do anything even if it climbs higher, unless it goes over the lab range.





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