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Re: Zanax Tolerance
Nov 18, 2006
After changing to Xanax XR I must say I had better imediate results with generic version Alprozalam. I took 3mg a day for over 6 years. It wasn't a wonder drug but made me work and function free of panic attacks. I had no side effects from it. And tolerated it well. Having some recent major stress my panic attacks came back full blown. I knew I needed my first increase and thought it would be temporary. I asked my doctor about Xanax XR and he prescribed 2mg twice a day. It seems to make me anxious then very tired or I should say lethargic. If I take it right before I go to bed it can keep me awake full of anxiety for most of the night then I sleep most of the day! I worry about the fillers and what is making it time release. Can those ingredients cause anxiety? I was hoping for better results with Xanax XR I hope it improves after time. I wonít go above 4mg a day and thought about asking if I could try a longer acting less expensive Benzo like Klonopin or even Valium.

I read it is more difficult to do CBT when you are taking medications that are relieving your symptoms. You are trying to address symptoms that are no longer there. It claims you need the symptoms to overcome them. but there are so many books that say so many different things.

Iím going to a therapist who claims to use CBT but my first three sessions with him have been more Freud like therapy. Maybe it helps to know the person you are trying to treat.

I would say if you never tried regular Xanax or Alprozalam. its worth a try. Good luck
Re: Zanax Tolerance
Nov 25, 2006
Wendy,

Yea, that question was for you. Do you experience any rebound anxiety between doses? I am curious because I take Xanax and as you know it has a very short lived effect. Klonopin, supposedly lasts quite a bit longer and has less withdrawl problems although they can be bad too.

I have pretty bad anxiety that manifests itself in my stomach, so whatever it is that I take, it has to relax my stomach muscles. I write this as my stomach is clenched. The Xanax helps a lot, but I am slowly starting to feel more anxiety, so I am going to switch from Xanax XR to the regular. I am just curious about the Klonopin.

Any info you have or experiences would be of great help.

Thanks,
OE
Re: Zanax Tolerance
Nov 28, 2006
All I can say is that tolerance can become a severe issue at any time, whether it be months or years, to these drugs. There are also prescribing limits so once tolerance hits at highest legal doses, many people start to abuse in order to stave off tolerance withdrawals. Tolerance withdrawals are withdrawal symptoms that occur while on the drug....now isn't that special?

It's not a good day when that happens. I know. Been there, done that. Didn't even abuse the pills at all, that didn't matter though.....severe tolerance to theraputic top level lead to being pushed into the doorway to hell.

I had no choice....only way out is through..had to go through the withdrawals in order to get out. Now things are much, much better and no more pills. The risk of developing severe tolerance IMHO is just not worth it. Been there, done that. It was torture like I couldn't believe; sick with pills, sick without pills, no options. I got through the long withdrawals and made it. Life is much better now.

Hopefully, it won't happen to you. But if it does, consider reading the free online Ashton Manual. Prof. Ashton was a pioneer in the study of adverse effects of the benzodiazepine drug group which includes Xanax, Ativan, Klonopin, Valium, etc. Good luck.
Re: Zanax Tolerance
Nov 29, 2006
[QUOTE=ocdengineer]Jennita,

I am just curious how much you started taking primarily and how much you ended up taking by the time you dedcided enough was enough. You are the first to come forward with a tolerance issue and I am just curious what happened?

I know the withdrawl can be horrible, but the idea for me is to take it for the rest of my days and therefore never need to deal with withdrawl. Tell your story so we know what happened. There are a lot of people on this board that have been taking Xanax for many many years some of them 10's of years with no ill effects, and a lot of us who are new at this and wonder what the future prognosis is for long term use.

I am sorry you had to go through that withdrawl. I am sure that was pretty horrible. I tried to quit cold turkey from a very small dose and got a glimpse of the withdrawl and it wasn't pretty.

Thanks,
OE[/QUOTE]


Ok, but something people must understand is that ill effects can go unnoticed or deemed "original condition becoming worse" when indeed it is really drug effects.

Also, some people do not take Xanax everyday. Using on an "as needed" basis can stave off tolerance; the occassional benzo is not going to cause any big change in the brain but daily use is what can lead to tolerance and withdrawals. Now some people also do not increase their doses ever, even during some tougher spots, and small dosages that never increase will also help avoid some of the more severe tolerance issues.

There are so many different scenarios, so many things unnoticed. My own physician didn't even see the tolerance I was developing, despite the fact the drug only worked maybe 2 days out of seven. He claimed I hadn't developed tolerance. Gee, most people would be out like a light with 2 mg. Ativan in them(equiv. of 20 mgs. Valium) but I stayed awake many nights on that dose. If that isn't tolerance, I don't know what is.

So as you can see, the facts about tolerance can be very skewed and the stories of no problems claimed by some can be inaccurate.

My story, to put it simply, I had a reaction to some codiene and doctors denied it and put me on other meds to fix me>enter benzodiazepines. Benzos do not fix anyone. They desensitize and downregulate the GABA receptors over time. Downregulation itself is well-known in science; it is the cell death of receptors constantly exposed to a psychoactive chemical.

I did not know this, continued taking 2 mgs. of Ativan for months, then Klonopin, then back to Ativan. By the end of 8 months I could not sleep, as I mentioned, for 4 days in a row on 2 mgs. Ativan a night. On day 5 I might get 4 hrs. if lucky. When my doc suggested no tolerance plus he wanted to add another whole 2 mgs. during the day( since now I was starting to go through panic attacks, during the day!!!)

Those panic attacks developed many months later, they were not originally there. The codiene withdrawals caused sleep issues for which Ativan was prescribed. They also tried Restorial, Ambien, and Sonata at times....even an AD, Serzone, which ended up making me even worse.

Thankfully, I found a benzo website and got off the stuff. Sleep very, very slowly came back, panic attacks left, heartrate went back to normal, etc. but it was a long, painful protracted withdrawal and I won't forget it.....panic attacks, breathing problems, insomnia, muscle twitching, noise sensitivity, massive headaches, depression, well, the benzo withdrawal list is long.

Even now, some sleep issues remain so I must follow good sleep habits. But natural, regular sleep feels so good it's worth it. And I have no other symptoms.

Even when a drug downregulates or causes cell death, the brain can renew the cells if left drug free for some time. That's the good news. But why even let it happen...I know I would not had I known then what I know now.

It's a gamble; not worth it in my book but others may not share my opinion.[COLOR="Red"]{REMOVED}[/COLOR]





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