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Well, well, Stumper, Where should I begin? It's a bit hard to understand and argue with some of your logic, but I'll give it a try. My point about eggs is that, if you and your doctor are so concerned about your high cholesterol killing you, enough so that you both think it's safe to take a pretty powerful drug in an attempt to lower it, why not just try cutting the eggs out first, to see if that helps? For healthy, active people and people not prone to or worry about having high cholesterol, eggs are probably fine and have some benefit even. For you or anyone serious about cholesterol problems, they probably are not fine as they definitely are a contributer. Funny, when people take drugs often they feel like their problems are solved and drink and eat what they like. Coincidentally, I just had dinner with my neighors and the husband is on a statin. He started out with a mixed drink, then went on to order a big, fat, greasy hamburger that was mounded with greasy onions and mushrooms, resting next to a bed of fries and all of it was resting in over a quarter inch of grease! Yikes! I had to hold my tongue, but sure wondered how an otherwise intelligent guy, would eat that way, considering his history. I could give you lots of similar examples of people who, once on medications, believe their personal responsibility toward staying healthy, has been fulfilled.

No doubt, the reason that your Amish friends are so healthy is that they stay away from doctors and their drugs. A very wise old doctor once told me that if I wanted to live a long and healthy life, I should "stay away from all prescription medications". After the trouble that I and my loved ones have had, I don't doubt, for a second, that it's a very true statement. My Grandpa lived till he was nearly 101 years of age - never took drugs and then only died because, for the first time, he put his trust in a doctor who decided to remove a little cancer from his eyelid (people that age probably have small cancers all over their skin, especially farmers, like him) and gave him an antibiotic. The drug soon made him so dizzy that he fell and hit his head on the bathtub. He died 3 days later. A drug killed my grandpa and he never would have needed it if he's stayed away from a doctor. A drug killed my best friend this past summer. Another drug caused my sister to have a massive brain bleed 6 years ago and yet another drug, Zocor, has recently put her in a wheel chair. So, you can understand my feelings about drugs.

Also, the point you make about many people being so healthy even when eating food that's high in fat, makes my point that cholesterol drugs are not necessary and don't reduce risk of heart disease. At the very least, they are only ONE of 240 factors that can affect the heart and their role, according to many studies, may be very insignificant. Drug companies are the ones who've promoted the myth of how serious a problem it is and that their miracle drugs will save us. You, yourself, have made a great argument against drugs for this "problem". Do you not agree that it's possible that some people eat what they like and are fine because they don't get their cholesterol checked? Funny, nobody I know has had a bit of trouble with broken bones, but the few that opted to have bone density tests done, all just happen to "need" Fosamax. Just makes you wonder, doesn't it?
[QUOTE=Bernadette12]Well, well, Stumper, Where should I begin? It's a bit hard to understand and argue with some of your logic, but I'll give it a try. My point about eggs is that, if you and your doctor are so concerned about your high cholesterol killing you, enough so that you both think it's safe to take a pretty powerful drug in an attempt to lower it, why not just try cutting the eggs out first, to see if that helps? For healthy, active people and people not prone to or worry about having high cholesterol, eggs are probably fine and have some benefit even. For you or anyone serious about cholesterol problems, they probably are not fine as they definitely are a contributer. Funny, when people take drugs often they feel like their problems are solved and drink and eat what they like. Coincidentally, I just had dinner with my neighors and the husband is on a statin. He started out with a mixed drink, then went on to order a big, fat, greasy hamburger that was mounded with greasy onions and mushrooms, resting next to a bed of fries and all of it was resting in over a quarter inch of grease! Yikes! I had to hold my tongue, but sure wondered how an otherwise intelligent guy, would eat that way, considering his history. I could give you lots of similar examples of people who, once on medications, believe their personal responsibility toward staying healthy, has been fulfilled.

No doubt, the reason that your Amish friends are so healthy is that they stay away from doctors and their drugs. A very wise old doctor once told me that if I wanted to live a long and healthy life, I should "stay away from all prescription medications". After the trouble that I and my loved ones have had, I don't doubt, for a second, that it's a very true statement. My Grandpa lived till he was nearly 101 years of age - never took drugs and then only died because, for the first time, he put his trust in a doctor who decided to remove a little cancer from his eyelid (people that age probably have small cancers all over their skin, especially farmers, like him) and gave him an antibiotic. The drug soon made him so dizzy that he fell and hit his head on the bathtub. He died 3 days later. A drug killed my grandpa and he never would have needed it if he's stayed away from a doctor. A drug killed my best friend this past summer. Another drug caused my sister to have a massive brain bleed 6 years ago and yet another drug, Zocor, has recently put her in a wheel chair. So, you can understand my feelings about drugs.

Also, the point you make about many people being so healthy even when eating food that's high in fat, makes my point that cholesterol drugs are not necessary and don't reduce risk of heart disease. At the very least, they are only ONE of 240 factors that can affect the heart and their role, according to many studies, may be very insignificant. Drug companies are the ones who've promoted the myth of how serious a problem it is and that their miracle drugs will save us. You, yourself, have made a great argument against drugs for this "problem". Do you not agree that it's possible that some people eat what they like and are fine because they don't get their cholesterol checked? Funny, nobody I know has had a bit of trouble with broken bones, but the few that opted to have bone density tests done, all just happen to "need" Fosamax. Just makes you wonder, doesn't it?[/QUOTE]

Bernadette, I agree with most of what you say but I have to say this, when they said my husband's cholesterol was too high they said "no eggs" well we stopped eating them and as a result my low cholesterol went up. I asked how is that possible but got no answer from my doctor. Now if you read the reports they say that eggs will not influence your cholesterol that much in fact they wonder if diet really does much because when you cut back on your cholesterol consumption your liver makes up the difference. The thought now is that cholesterol is important for good health, for the brain and for your immune system and when your cholesterol is up it is because you are aging and have more assaults on your body and to fight infections and inflammation you need cholesterol which is your bodies band-aid. I believe that we will be hearing next that it is inflammation that is the culprit. They are looking now to see if the virus's that we encounter are the problem. :wave:
[QUOTE]Well, well, Stumper, Where should I begin? It's a bit hard to understand and argue with some of your logic, but I'll give it a try. My point about eggs is that, if you and your doctor are so concerned about your high cholesterol killing you, enough so that you both think it's safe to take a pretty powerful drug in an attempt to lower it, why not just try cutting the eggs out first, to see if that helps? For healthy, active people and people not prone to or worry about having high cholesterol, eggs are probably fine and have some benefit even. For you or anyone serious about cholesterol problems, they probably are not fine as they definitely are a contributer.[/quote]


Yes and no. There are some studies and I believe there are those here who will testify, that yes, eggs did in fact raise their LDL some, but on the other hand their HDL went up proportionately!




[quote] Funny, when people take drugs often they feel like their problems are solved and drink and eat what they like. Coincidentally, I just had dinner with my neighors and the husband is on a statin. He started out with a mixed drink, then went on to order a big, fat, greasy hamburger that was mounded with greasy onions and mushrooms, resting next to a bed of fries and all of it was resting in over a quarter inch of grease! Yikes! I had to hold my tongue, but sure wondered how an otherwise intelligent guy, would eat that way, considering his history. I could give you lots of similar examples of people who, once on medications, believe their personal responsibility toward staying healthy, has been fulfilled.[/quote]



Bernadette, that is what we call "living" :D and your neighbor, if he does this on occassion and not all the time has found life to be quite pleasurable! :D



[quote]No doubt, the reason that your Amish friends are so healthy is that they stay away from doctors and their drugs.[/quote]


Not so. Actually Amish are very quick to run to doctors, love them, and use them often. They are literally amazed about how well drugs can work. And yes, many of them also go on the supplement bandwagon as well, herbs and so forth. But their diet is rich and yummy. No holes barred. The Amish men buy bags full of creamsticks nearly every morning and devour them on their brake with coffee. Then they work hard on those construction crews. If you were to tell them it's not healthy they look at you like your stupid. It's good, eat it they would say while enjoying it.



[quote] A very wise old doctor once told me that if I wanted to live a long and healthy life, I should "stay away from all prescription medications". After the trouble that I and my loved ones have had, I don't doubt, for a second, that it's a very true statement. My Grandpa lived till he was nearly 101 years of age - never took drugs and then only died because, for the first time, he put his trust in a doctor who decided to remove a little cancer from his eyelid (people that age probably have small cancers all over their skin, especially farmers, like him) and gave him an antibiotic. The drug soon made him so dizzy that he fell and hit his head on the bathtub. He died 3 days later. A drug killed my grandpa and he never would have needed it if he's stayed away from a doctor. A drug killed my best friend this past summer. Another drug caused my sister to have a massive brain bleed 6 years ago and yet another drug, Zocor, has recently put her in a wheel chair. So, you can understand my feelings about drugs.[/quote]


Yes, but Bernadette, something gonna get us in the end anyway. It's unavoidable. Drugs are truly a blessing.
What would you do if we didn't have them? I , for one, do not want to turn the clock back 200 years to early deaths from infections and amputations hovered in a shanny worried about a plague.



[quote]Also, the point you make about many people being so healthy even when eating food that's high in fat, makes my point that cholesterol drugs are not necessary and don't reduce risk of heart disease. At the very least, they are only ONE of 240 factors that can affect the heart and their role, according to many studies, may be very insignificant. Drug companies are the ones who've promoted the myth of how serious a problem it is and that their miracle drugs will save us. You, yourself, have made a great argument against drugs for this "problem". Do you not agree that it's possible that some people eat what they like and are fine because they don't get their cholesterol checked? Funny, nobody I know has had a bit of trouble with broken bones, but the few that opted to have bone density tests done, all just happen to "need" Fosamax. Just makes you wonder, doesn't it?[/QUOTE]


Yes and no. also know of 3 people who never went to a doctor and 2 of 3 died from cancer. The third is dying now, a Amish woman who is 64 years old and hated doctors her whole life. She has bone cancer so bad that her bones are brittle and just breaking.
One of the 3 was my mother who devoured bottles of vites and supplements for perhaps 40+ years. She died of liver cancer at 73.


Hey, I wanna enjoy life to and a med IMPROVES our lives unless one has side affects from them.
But if supplements can work for someone, great....But like my sons Psych told us..."No-one can know the affects of herbs on the mind"...It's all guesswork.





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