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[QUOTE=Losec20mg]I just ate about 350g of pasta..with 1 cup of chich peas and, 1/2 of cottage cheese..I just ate like for three people..ayayaa.oh well. I only eat pasta once a week, so when I eat it, I eat it. ;)..but, then again im a man.[/QUOTE]

Man, how could you walk after eating like all that food??!! haha. I bet you did an Al Bundy, right? - just unbuttoned the fly and collapsed onto the couch!!

I love pasta too but I try to only eat it once a week coz I gt too addicted and after I've eaten I'm so stuffed that I want to sleep or too stuff that I can't even lie down comfortably!! haha
LS,

If you are worried about the calories in store bought hummus, make it yourself! I was vegetarian for 10 years + had a family who was crazy about healthy food. My Dad started making hummus when I was about 14 (10 years ago) and then I started making it too. I usually make it once a week and with the recipe I use, I never feel guilty about eating a lot of it.

Here is my recipe. Give it a try!

1 can chick peas, drained
2 cloves garlic
1 tbsp tahini (sesame seed paste)
juice of 2 lemons
2 tbsp olive oil
1 tsp cumin
salt and pepper to taste
1-3 tbsp of water (depending on how thick/smooth you like it)

Basically what I do is I puree the garlic the food processor, then I had the lemon juice, chick peas, tahini and so on. I drizzle the olive oil in slowly so it is smooth

*Tip: If you would like it to be really low fat, use only 1 tbsp olive oil and use water to make it smooth

This recipe is really low fat (and the fat used is healthy fat) and high in protein! I eat it everyday!!!

ENJOY!
Aside from thinking legumes are somehow "unnatural" food for us, I guess I don't understand why you wouldn't dream of eating them. They're full of protein, calcium, iron, and fiber and have healthy fat. I find them very easily digestible and would think most people would except perhaps for someone with diverticulitis or something similar going on. Are there some adverse effects that you know of or according to the paleolithic diet? Is there a logical reason we don't know for avoiding them? It just seems like we must have evolved to be able to eat them and other legumes considering how heart healthy they are and the other benefits they provide.
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[QUOTE=llamamuffinmama]Aside from thinking legumes are somehow "unnatural" food for us, I guess I don't understand why you wouldn't dream of eating them. They're full of protein, calcium, iron, and fiber and have healthy fat. I find them very easily digestible and would think most people would except perhaps for someone with diverticulitis or something similar going on. Are there some adverse effects that you know of or according to the paleolithic diet? Is there a logical reason we don't know for avoiding them? It just seems like we must have evolved to be able to eat them and other legumes considering how heart healthy they are and the other benefits they provide.
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Legumes are well known to cause digestive problems unless properly prepared and even then there are the distress of gas and a growling belly. The phytates in legumes can cause poor absorbtion of minerals. Protease inhibitors can damage the pancreas, haemagglutins can produce various problems and Lathyrogens in Chickpeas can be responsible for Spastic paralysis of the legs, skeletal abnormalities. This (legumes) is not a food we were designed by evolution to eat and so I avoid all legumes. I know of no study that concludes that legumes are "heart healthy" if you do I would like to read it. I am not sure what other benifits they provide but perhaps you could educate me?
I think legumes present a superb mixture of nutrients that, IF PROPERLY COOKED, give the highest protein content by far in the plant world. I think without legumes, billions would have starved over the course of history because grains simply are not a comparably good source of protein.

Legumes MUST be cooked in some way to make them digestible, thus mankind evolved into creatures that early on learned the advantages of cooking and the clever management of fire.

If one wants to go back in evolutionary roots perhaps beyond Neanderthal, maybe to near apedom he might encounter an early man-like creature without the use of fire. Such a creature wouldn't eat legumes but then he wouldn't eat uncooked rice or raw chickens either. Man and cooking are a VERY natural evolutionary pair...and like the song goes "You can't have one without the other!"

Hummus is one of the true delights of the culinary world, made with toasted sesame oil, tasty olive oil, and tahini and served with hot pita, it's TO DIE for.:D
[QUOTE=racehorse]Legumes are well known to cause digestive problems unless properly prepared and even then there are the distress of gas and a growling belly. The phytates in legumes can cause poor absorbtion of minerals. Protease inhibitors can damage the pancreas, haemagglutins can produce various problems and Lathyrogens in Chickpeas can be responsible for Spastic paralysis of the legs, skeletal abnormalities. This (legumes) is not a food we were designed by evolution to eat and so I avoid all legumes. I know of no study that concludes that legumes are "heart healthy" if you do I would like to read it. I am not sure what other benifits they provide but perhaps you could educate me?[/QUOTE]
I just double checked, I can't give out the website, but dr. Mercola(only one example) says that eating legumes(beans) can cut your risk of a heart attack by 20%! Plus other benefits like lower blood pressure. :) Check it out and let me know what you think. One thing though, is that legumes affects insulin levels in the diabetic patient.
And yes, they could cause digestive problems, but you have to get used to them by eating little by little. Brocolli is VERY healthy but unfortuanetly, it makes me really ill. :( Not too mention cabbage and califlower.
[QUOTE=Lenin]I think legumes present a superb mixture of nutrients that, IF PROPERLY COOKED, give the highest protein content by far in the plant world. I think without legumes, billions would have starved over the course of history because grains simply are not a comparably good source of protein.

Legumes MUST be cooked in some way to make them digestible, thus mankind evolved into creatures that early on learned the advantages of cooking and the clever management of fire.

If one wants to go back in evolutionary roots perhaps beyond Neanderthal, maybe to near apedom he might encounter an early man-like creature without the use of fire. Such a creature wouldn't eat legumes but then he wouldn't eat uncooked rice or raw chickens either. Man and cooking are a VERY natural evolutionary pair...and like the song goes "You can't have one without the other!"

Hummus is one of the true delights of the culinary world, made with toasted sesame oil, tasty olive oil, and tahini and served with hot pita, it's TO DIE for.:D[/QUOTE]

Legumes were only consumed in any substantial way after agriculture began. Althought humankind's control of fire may be hundreds of thousands of years there were no vessels to cook things like grains and legumes. Your evolutionary time line is skewed; Neanderthals lived with early true modern humans just a few hundred thousand years ago and only died out some tens of thousands of years ago. The divergence from apes is much further back, with the last common ancestor of chimps and what became humans some 6 MILLION years ago. As to the delights of the culinary world I can only say that is in the taste buds of the beholder, a paleolithic person would not recognize bread or hummas for that matter as food. So here is the basic concept. There has been no evolutionary change in what our bodies have been designed by time to eat. All of the foods that entered the diet because of agriculture are essentially foreign to our gut. The diseases of modern humans can be traced to a diet that is based on those agricultural products. The evidence is clear when you examine the bones of preagricultural people and those that came after. Preagricultual people were much larger, had denser and bigger bones, were more heavily muscled and showed no indications of the diseases that plagued the agriculturists, they also had few or 0 dental caries. Those people that began eating a grain based diet became much smaller and the health problems become much more problematic. You can use your search engine to find much more.
Legumes were only consumed in any substantial way after agriculture began. Althought humankind's control of fire may be hundreds of thousands of years there were no vessels to cook things like grains and legumes. Your evolutionary time line is skewed; Neanderthals lived with early true modern humans just a few hundred thousand years ago and only died out some tens of thousands of years ago. The divergence from apes is much further back, with the last common ancestor of chimps and what became humans some 6 MILLION years ago. As to the delights of the culinary world I can only say that is in the taste buds of the beholder, a paleolithic person would not recognize bread or hummas for that matter as food. So here is the basic concept. There has been no evolutionary change in what our bodies have been designed by time to eat. All of the foods that entered the diet because of agriculture are essentially foreign to our gut. The diseases of modern humans can be traced to a diet that is based on those agricultural products. The evidence is clear when you examine the bones of preagricultural people and those that came after. Preagricultual people were much larger, had denser and bigger bones, were more heavily muscled and showed no indications of the diseases that plagued the agriculturists, they also had few or 0 dental caries. Those people that began eating a grain based diet became much smaller and the health problems become much more problematic. You can use your search engine to find much more. BTW I did not know that Mercola advocated legumes, he is very down on grains but could not be considered a paleo diet guy because he advocates raw milk.
Just because modern agriculture only developed new methods of producing our food, doesn't mean that it wasn't meant for us to eat it. Yeah, from the VERY beginning, all that there was to eat was plants and animal flesh. But what about new discoveries??? What about all of the NEW modern effective discoveries about alternative medicines, herbs, etc. That wasn't taking place at the beginning of time??? Man was just becoming more intuitive and smarter by discovering more ways to eat other foods like rice, beans, whole grains etc. Look at all of the new research regarding recent(not too recent) benefits of fairly modern foods, herbs, etc. There is NOTHING wrong with rice and beans...as time evolved, more discoveries were made!
Same goes for man who developed higher tech appliances and electronics. We are just getting smarter. Did you ever hear of a vcr, or refrigerator 10,000 years ago?
Our brains probably have shrunk because of all of the processed sugar that is prevalent in many diets today. That's the key, to stay away from THAT junk.
Oh, and I also wanted to mention from doing extensive research regarding healthy eating, I've come to the conclusion, along with many other people advocating the mediterranean diet being the healthiest diet yet.

Reasearchers from the University of Athen's med school tracked 74,000 men and women over the age of 60 living in 9 European countries. They found that the mortality was lower among those who stuck mostly to a diet of whole grains, fish, unsaturated fats like olive oil, nuts, and beans. Also, the diet includes moderate amounts chicken, and dairy products like hard cheese, yogurt, eggs, and small amounts of red meat(once a week). People from Mediterranean rellish on a glass or 2 of red wine with their meals. They enjoy fresh fruits and cheese for desserts or baked goods sweetened with sugar or honey a few times per week. They also incorporate activity but tha's besides the point.

Dr. Sinclair has been interviewed by every major news network for his amazing discovery, that a 125 year human lifespan would become possible.

From doing research, this diet is probably ONE of the healthiest IF not THE healthiest. It's been recognized AS the healthiest in many articles. :)I thought many of you would find an interest in this, although I'm sure many of you know. :)

ALthough, some people may feel at their optimal best on the "Paleo" diet, "Vegan" diet...everybody is different and if those diets work for you that's fantastic! :)
ALthough, I don't think that humans were only meant to consume anything else but ONLY meat, veggies, fruits, and some nuts. :)
ALthough, some people may feel at their optimal best on the "Paleo" diet, "Vegan" diet...everybody is different and if those diets work for you that's fantastic!
ALthough, I don't think that humans were only meant to consume anything else but ONLY meat, veggies, fruits, and some nuts.

[B]I'm curious, do you think humans were meant to eat wheat, corn and rice. How about cows milk or soy beans?
none of these "foods" can be eaten (excepting the milk) without processing and cooking so how would humans be "meant" to eat them? Just curious on how you would answer this[/B]
[QUOTE=tdot]LS,

If you are worried about the calories in store bought hummus, make it yourself! I was vegetarian for 10 years + had a family who was crazy about healthy food. My Dad started making hummus when I was about 14 (10 years ago) and then I started making it too. I usually make it once a week and with the recipe I use, I never feel guilty about eating a lot of it.

Here is my recipe. Give it a try!

1 can chick peas, drained
2 cloves garlic
1 tbsp tahini (sesame seed paste)
juice of 2 lemons
2 tbsp olive oil
1 tsp cumin
salt and pepper to taste
1-3 tbsp of water (depending on how thick/smooth you like it)

Basically what I do is I puree the garlic the food processor, then I had the lemon juice, chick peas, tahini and so on. I drizzle the olive oil in slowly so it is smooth

*Tip: If you would like it to be really low fat, use only 1 tbsp olive oil and use water to make it smooth

This recipe is really low fat (and the fat used is healthy fat) and high in protein! I eat it everyday!!!

ENJOY![/QUOTE]Mm.. sounds good. I'm gonna try it out! :)
[QUOTE=racehorse]ALthough, some people may feel at their optimal best on the "Paleo" diet, "Vegan" diet...everybody is different and if those diets work for you that's fantastic!
ALthough, I don't think that humans were only meant to consume anything else but ONLY meat, veggies, fruits, and some nuts.

[B]I'm curious, do you think humans were meant to eat wheat, corn and rice. How about cows milk or soy beans?
none of these "foods" can be eaten (excepting the milk) without processing and cooking so how would humans be "meant" to eat them? Just curious on how you would answer this[/B][/QUOTE]
I meant, that I do believe that beans, rice, and high quality whole grains(non processed) are an important part of our diet. And yah, you have to cook the beans, corn and rice.LOL

And I also just explained in my last two posts in this particular thread, the one about modern agriculture, and the one about the mediterranean diet(WHICH DOES include rice, beans, whole grains etc and the one's who follow it maintains excellent health). And it seems like your theory about this "paleo" diet is the only way to eat, and I dont' think it's for everybody. :) I'm sure there are many people who actually DO benefit from this diet though. But like I said, ONE diet doesn't work for everybody. We all have different metabolic types etc, and advocating the paleo diet, could make some really sick. I know people who ate low carb that were constipated all the time, low of energy, and their cholesterol was high. The paleo diet is old, and that was before man discovered other healthy foods to eat, some are good to eat and some aren't. :) This white flour junk and processed wheat, and greasy foods and chemicals is where "man" messed up!!lol Just because the "paleo" diet was the first foods we ate when we first evolved doesn't mean anything. Like I said, modern agriculture(not to mention many other things) has vastly improved over MANY years.

In Japan and China, they eat lots of beans and rice and their known for good health.
[QUOTE=Jessicca]I meant, that I do believe that beans, rice, and high quality whole grains(non processed) are an important part of our diet. And yah, you have to cook the beans, corn and rice.LOL

And I also just explained in my last two posts in this particular thread, the one about modern agriculture, and the one about the mediterranean diet(WHICH DOES include rice, beans, whole grains etc and the one's who follow it maintains excellent health). And it seems like your theory about this "paleo" diet is the only way to eat, and I dont' think it's for everybody. :) I'm sure there are many people who actually DO benefit from this diet though. But like I said, ONE diet doesn't work for everybody. We all have different metabolic types etc, and advocating the paleo diet, could make some really sick. I know people who ate low carb that were constipated all the time, low of energy, and their cholesterol was high. The paleo diet is old, and that was before man discovered other healthy foods to eat, some are good to eat and some aren't. :) This white flour junk and processed wheat, and greasy foods and chemicals is where "man" messed up!!lol Just because the "paleo" diet was the first foods we ate when we first evolved doesn't mean anything. Like I said, modern agriculture(not to mention many other things) has vastly improved over MANY years.

In Japan and China, they eat lots of beans and rice and their known for good health.[/QUOTE]

Evolution is a selection process and if it's natural that you're looking for, a paleo diet is THE only one humans have been selected to eat. While a paleo diet can be widely varied as to % of plant to animal food or vice versa the basic components didn't include the modern foods you seem to think are healthy. Before humans ate these modern foods they were more robust, had few or no dental caries, did not suffer from obesity, diabetes, heart disease, cancer or other diseases of modern humans. So, the question becomes why do you think these foods are healthy? The Mediterranean diet you think so highly of is just a diet that limits the worst of the modern diet such as prepared foods, artificial fats and additives. A reduction in harm is not optimal and while I also think that such a diet is healthier than SAD it is NOT a diet that promotes optimal health.
[QUOTE=racehorse]Evolution is a selection process and if it's natural that you're looking for, a paleo diet is THE only one humans have been selected to eat. While a paleo diet can be widely varied as to % of plant to animal food or vice versa the basic components didn't include the modern foods you seem to think are healthy. Before humans ate these modern foods they were more robust, had few or no dental caries, did not suffer from obesity, diabetes, heart disease, cancer or other diseases of modern humans. So, the question becomes why do you think these foods are healthy? The Mediterranean diet you think so highly of is just a diet that limits the worst of the modern diet such as prepared foods, artificial fats and additives. A reduction in harm is not optimal and while I also think that such a diet is healthier than SAD it is NOT a diet that promotes optimal health.[/QUOTE]
Well since your a celiac and seem really smart, :) my antigliadin test came up postive but the secretary said that it wasn't so serious. My Igg number was 38 and the normal is 20. Remember, I had a blood test to see if i had a "gluten intolorance." I may have to eat like this "paleo" diet after all. But I love rice, so I don't think I have to give up that. I can't have any breads or anything so, it looks like this will be my diet, LOL. Is 38 high??
thanks I'm shocked!!! :eek:
[QUOTE=Jessicca]Well since your a celiac and seem really smart, :) my antigliadin test came up postive but the secretary said that it wasn't so serious. My Igg number was 38 and the normal is 20. Remember, I had a blood test to see if i had a "gluten intolorance." I may have to eat like this "paleo" diet after all. But I love rice, so I don't think I have to give up that. I can't have any breads or anything so, it looks like this will be my diet, LOL. Is 38 high??
thanks I'm shocked!!! :eek:[/QUOTE]

[B]Your doctor may want to do an endoscopy/biopsy to confirm a diagnosis of Celiac disease. I personally have undergone this procedure but would not do it again. There are now several tests that are definitive and non invasive, a DNA test and a fecal test both of which can be done at home. Rice can be eaten by some even most celiacs as it does not contain gluten. However I have found that elimination of all grains produces a better result. Celiacs have serious gut damage that produces something called leaky gut syndrome and because of that autoimmune dieseases are common. Dairy and legumes can be big problems for celiacs and I eat neither. Good luck and remember you will need to educate yourself on this issue if you are to be able to protect yourself from hidden gluten in the grocery store products and at restuarants[/B]
[QUOTE=racehorse][B]Your doctor may want to do an endoscopy/biopsy to confirm a diagnosis of Celiac disease. I personally have undergone this procedure but would not do it again. There are now several tests that are definitive and non invasive, a DNA test and a fecal test both of which can be done at home. Rice can be eaten by some even most celiacs as it does not contain gluten. However I have found that elimination of all grains produces a better result. Celiacs have serious gut damage that produces something called leaky gut syndrome and because of that autoimmune dieseases are common. Dairy and legumes can be big problems for celiacs and I eat neither. Good luck and remember you will need to educate yourself on this issue if you are to be able to protect yourself from hidden gluten in the grocery store products and at restuarants[/B][/QUOTE]
But how do you explain a high IgG test to gluten, or are you saying that that's not a true indication? I thought that you could gve me an idea about what IgG 38 means??? I'm getting impatient and the secretary never called me back since I couldn't hear her when I was shopping. You seem like you know this stuff.
THanks :)
If they are both negative for Celiac/gluten intolerance then you have something else going on. My guess is that you may/maynot have celiac but certainly are at least gluten intolerant.
[QUOTE=racehorse]If they are both negative for Celiac/gluten intolerance then you have something else going on. My guess is that you may/maynot have celiac but certainly are at least gluten intolerant.[/QUOTE]
No, like I said, one of them were positive the IgG so I'm still waiting to talk to the doc. Thanks a lot.
hi racecoarse,

does your diet involve eating everything raw (including the meat you mention)? i have read that the reason for much of man's disease is his consumption of cooked foods. of yeah, and for the gas with the legumes try papaya enzyme and chew your food!

alex.
[QUOTE=tdot]LS,

If you are worried about the calories in store bought hummus, make it yourself! I was vegetarian for 10 years + had a family who was crazy about healthy food. My Dad started making hummus when I was about 14 (10 years ago) and then I started making it too. I usually make it once a week and with the recipe I use, I never feel guilty about eating a lot of it.

Here is my recipe. Give it a try!

1 can chick peas, drained
2 cloves garlic
1 tbsp tahini (sesame seed paste)
juice of 2 lemons
2 tbsp olive oil
1 tsp cumin
salt and pepper to taste
1-3 tbsp of water (depending on how thick/smooth you like it)

Basically what I do is I puree the garlic the food processor, then I had the lemon juice, chick peas, tahini and so on. I drizzle the olive oil in slowly so it is smooth

*Tip: If you would like it to be really low fat, use only 1 tbsp olive oil and use water to make it smooth

This recipe is really low fat (and the fat used is healthy fat) and high in protein! I eat it everyday!!!

ENJOY![/QUOTE]How do you prepare the chickpeas? Straight from the can? Raw? Or do you cook them first, or something? Thanks.
I do almost the same as justme, except I add a couple squirts of Hot Sauce (Franks or Louisiana) and make 3 cans at once...I HATE to clean the food processor!

The canned peas are precooked so just dumpinto a collander to drain a couple minutes (rinse or not as you choose) and then just dump all ingredients into the CuisineArt!
I found an improvement the last couple times: used TOASTED tahini (sesame paste.) It's harder to find but once you open the jar and the smell of the toasted seeds fills the room, you'll be sold. It keeps FOREVER in the fridge.
I also add a Tbsp of sesame oil! (I LIKE sesame:D:D)

Put into a bunch of small dishes and covered, you can enjoy the hummus on pita for a week or two. A few seconds to warm in the microwave before serving brings out the flavor more.





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