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regarding the chick peas. Hey, you had a wonderfully delicious lunch and found out afterwards that its a little more calories heavy than you'd like. So, in future, just put yourself a portion out rather than leaving the container out as its so hard to put it down.

Hummous is not bad at all its has protein and lots of nutrients. Like everything in life, moderation is the key.
LS,

If you are worried about the calories in store bought hummus, make it yourself! I was vegetarian for 10 years + had a family who was crazy about healthy food. My Dad started making hummus when I was about 14 (10 years ago) and then I started making it too. I usually make it once a week and with the recipe I use, I never feel guilty about eating a lot of it.

Here is my recipe. Give it a try!

1 can chick peas, drained
2 cloves garlic
1 tbsp tahini (sesame seed paste)
juice of 2 lemons
2 tbsp olive oil
1 tsp cumin
salt and pepper to taste
1-3 tbsp of water (depending on how thick/smooth you like it)

Basically what I do is I puree the garlic the food processor, then I had the lemon juice, chick peas, tahini and so on. I drizzle the olive oil in slowly so it is smooth

*Tip: If you would like it to be really low fat, use only 1 tbsp olive oil and use water to make it smooth

This recipe is really low fat (and the fat used is healthy fat) and high in protein! I eat it everyday!!!

ENJOY!
[QUOTE=tdot]This recipe is really low fat (and the fat used is healthy fat) and high in protein! I eat it everyday!!!

ENJOY![/QUOTE]

What do you eat your hummous with?
Aside from thinking legumes are somehow "unnatural" food for us, I guess I don't understand why you wouldn't dream of eating them. They're full of protein, calcium, iron, and fiber and have healthy fat. I find them very easily digestible and would think most people would except perhaps for someone with diverticulitis or something similar going on. Are there some adverse effects that you know of or according to the paleolithic diet? Is there a logical reason we don't know for avoiding them? It just seems like we must have evolved to be able to eat them and other legumes considering how heart healthy they are and the other benefits they provide.
:confused:
[QUOTE=llamamuffinmama]Aside from thinking legumes are somehow "unnatural" food for us, I guess I don't understand why you wouldn't dream of eating them. They're full of protein, calcium, iron, and fiber and have healthy fat. I find them very easily digestible and would think most people would except perhaps for someone with diverticulitis or something similar going on. Are there some adverse effects that you know of or according to the paleolithic diet? Is there a logical reason we don't know for avoiding them? It just seems like we must have evolved to be able to eat them and other legumes considering how heart healthy they are and the other benefits they provide.
:confused:[/QUOTE]

Legumes are well known to cause digestive problems unless properly prepared and even then there are the distress of gas and a growling belly. The phytates in legumes can cause poor absorbtion of minerals. Protease inhibitors can damage the pancreas, haemagglutins can produce various problems and Lathyrogens in Chickpeas can be responsible for Spastic paralysis of the legs, skeletal abnormalities. This (legumes) is not a food we were designed by evolution to eat and so I avoid all legumes. I know of no study that concludes that legumes are "heart healthy" if you do I would like to read it. I am not sure what other benifits they provide but perhaps you could educate me?
I think legumes present a superb mixture of nutrients that, IF PROPERLY COOKED, give the highest protein content by far in the plant world. I think without legumes, billions would have starved over the course of history because grains simply are not a comparably good source of protein.

Legumes MUST be cooked in some way to make them digestible, thus mankind evolved into creatures that early on learned the advantages of cooking and the clever management of fire.

If one wants to go back in evolutionary roots perhaps beyond Neanderthal, maybe to near apedom he might encounter an early man-like creature without the use of fire. Such a creature wouldn't eat legumes but then he wouldn't eat uncooked rice or raw chickens either. Man and cooking are a VERY natural evolutionary pair...and like the song goes "You can't have one without the other!"

Hummus is one of the true delights of the culinary world, made with toasted sesame oil, tasty olive oil, and tahini and served with hot pita, it's TO DIE for.:D
Now LEGUMES are bad, jeesh! I just ordered a bunch of soup from Westbrae called "Hearty Milano Minestrone Soup" and it's SOOOO good. I was gonna eat it for my lunch everyday since i'm not big on meat.(usually only one serving a day, sometimes none). And I'll have my whey to add more protein for a snack..that's beside the point but I really thought that beans were good for us. I don't even have flautulence anymore since i'm used to them. I love this soup, it's full of veggies and beans in a great tasting broth. Aren't beans (legumes) a plant, a plant that's is meant for us to eat??? Now i'm REALLY confused, :confused: lol.
[QUOTE=racehorse]Legumes are well known to cause digestive problems unless properly prepared and even then there are the distress of gas and a growling belly. The phytates in legumes can cause poor absorbtion of minerals. Protease inhibitors can damage the pancreas, haemagglutins can produce various problems and Lathyrogens in Chickpeas can be responsible for Spastic paralysis of the legs, skeletal abnormalities. This (legumes) is not a food we were designed by evolution to eat and so I avoid all legumes. I know of no study that concludes that legumes are "heart healthy" if you do I would like to read it. I am not sure what other benifits they provide but perhaps you could educate me?[/QUOTE]
I just double checked, I can't give out the website, but dr. Mercola(only one example) says that eating legumes(beans) can cut your risk of a heart attack by 20%! Plus other benefits like lower blood pressure. :) Check it out and let me know what you think. One thing though, is that legumes affects insulin levels in the diabetic patient.
And yes, they could cause digestive problems, but you have to get used to them by eating little by little. Brocolli is VERY healthy but unfortuanetly, it makes me really ill. :( Not too mention cabbage and califlower.
[QUOTE=Lenin]I think legumes present a superb mixture of nutrients that, IF PROPERLY COOKED, give the highest protein content by far in the plant world. I think without legumes, billions would have starved over the course of history because grains simply are not a comparably good source of protein.

Legumes MUST be cooked in some way to make them digestible, thus mankind evolved into creatures that early on learned the advantages of cooking and the clever management of fire.

If one wants to go back in evolutionary roots perhaps beyond Neanderthal, maybe to near apedom he might encounter an early man-like creature without the use of fire. Such a creature wouldn't eat legumes but then he wouldn't eat uncooked rice or raw chickens either. Man and cooking are a VERY natural evolutionary pair...and like the song goes "You can't have one without the other!"

Hummus is one of the true delights of the culinary world, made with toasted sesame oil, tasty olive oil, and tahini and served with hot pita, it's TO DIE for.:D[/QUOTE]

Legumes were only consumed in any substantial way after agriculture began. Althought humankind's control of fire may be hundreds of thousands of years there were no vessels to cook things like grains and legumes. Your evolutionary time line is skewed; Neanderthals lived with early true modern humans just a few hundred thousand years ago and only died out some tens of thousands of years ago. The divergence from apes is much further back, with the last common ancestor of chimps and what became humans some 6 MILLION years ago. As to the delights of the culinary world I can only say that is in the taste buds of the beholder, a paleolithic person would not recognize bread or hummas for that matter as food. So here is the basic concept. There has been no evolutionary change in what our bodies have been designed by time to eat. All of the foods that entered the diet because of agriculture are essentially foreign to our gut. The diseases of modern humans can be traced to a diet that is based on those agricultural products. The evidence is clear when you examine the bones of preagricultural people and those that came after. Preagricultual people were much larger, had denser and bigger bones, were more heavily muscled and showed no indications of the diseases that plagued the agriculturists, they also had few or 0 dental caries. Those people that began eating a grain based diet became much smaller and the health problems become much more problematic. You can use your search engine to find much more.
Legumes were only consumed in any substantial way after agriculture began. Althought humankind's control of fire may be hundreds of thousands of years there were no vessels to cook things like grains and legumes. Your evolutionary time line is skewed; Neanderthals lived with early true modern humans just a few hundred thousand years ago and only died out some tens of thousands of years ago. The divergence from apes is much further back, with the last common ancestor of chimps and what became humans some 6 MILLION years ago. As to the delights of the culinary world I can only say that is in the taste buds of the beholder, a paleolithic person would not recognize bread or hummas for that matter as food. So here is the basic concept. There has been no evolutionary change in what our bodies have been designed by time to eat. All of the foods that entered the diet because of agriculture are essentially foreign to our gut. The diseases of modern humans can be traced to a diet that is based on those agricultural products. The evidence is clear when you examine the bones of preagricultural people and those that came after. Preagricultual people were much larger, had denser and bigger bones, were more heavily muscled and showed no indications of the diseases that plagued the agriculturists, they also had few or 0 dental caries. Those people that began eating a grain based diet became much smaller and the health problems become much more problematic. You can use your search engine to find much more. BTW I did not know that Mercola advocated legumes, he is very down on grains but could not be considered a paleo diet guy because he advocates raw milk.
So then my pre-algricultural ancestors were much larger than I am (I'm 6'2"?) Gee, they must be hiding those 7 foot prehistoric remains because all that I've seen are quite small.

"No vessels to cook in" is quite preposterous. I would think that ANY brain that can manage fire is quite capable of hollowing a soft stone or making something from MUD.

These heavily muscled brutes gave way to heavily and convolutedly BRAINED ones who didn't NEED to chase prey and beat it with sticks to get a meal...they grew it, or trapped it.

One can trust that as soon as man learned manage the fire AND the pot, he put beans and lentils into it and enjoyed his "potage." He laughed at his soon to be extinct heavily muscled neighbors running around with their sticks after their breakfast.

[quote]Your evolutionary time line is skewed; Neanderthals lived with early true modern humans just a few hundred thousand years ago and only died out some tens of thousands of years ago.[/quote]
is a criticism of my "timeline"
Would you show me how?
[quote]If one wants to go back in evolutionary roots perhaps beyond Neanderthal, maybe to near apedom he might encounter an early man-like creature without the use of fire.[/quote]
The evidence is clear from human remains that preagricultureal people were much larger than those that ate an agriculturally based diet. Pottery is of very recent vintage so our evolutionary ancestors HAD NONE. There is substantial evidence that our modern brain is about 14% smaller than the brain of our preagricultural forebearers again a result of our agriculturally based diet. This information and much more is available when you research paleolithic diets on the web.
Well, I'll certainly lend some credibility to our brains possibly being smaller nowadays, especially when you consider the mess this whole world is in.
Just because modern agriculture only developed new methods of producing our food, doesn't mean that it wasn't meant for us to eat it. Yeah, from the VERY beginning, all that there was to eat was plants and animal flesh. But what about new discoveries??? What about all of the NEW modern effective discoveries about alternative medicines, herbs, etc. That wasn't taking place at the beginning of time??? Man was just becoming more intuitive and smarter by discovering more ways to eat other foods like rice, beans, whole grains etc. Look at all of the new research regarding recent(not too recent) benefits of fairly modern foods, herbs, etc. There is NOTHING wrong with rice and beans...as time evolved, more discoveries were made!
Same goes for man who developed higher tech appliances and electronics. We are just getting smarter. Did you ever hear of a vcr, or refrigerator 10,000 years ago?
Our brains probably have shrunk because of all of the processed sugar that is prevalent in many diets today. That's the key, to stay away from THAT junk.
Oh, and I also wanted to mention from doing extensive research regarding healthy eating, I've come to the conclusion, along with many other people advocating the mediterranean diet being the healthiest diet yet.

Reasearchers from the University of Athen's med school tracked 74,000 men and women over the age of 60 living in 9 European countries. They found that the mortality was lower among those who stuck mostly to a diet of whole grains, fish, unsaturated fats like olive oil, nuts, and beans. Also, the diet includes moderate amounts chicken, and dairy products like hard cheese, yogurt, eggs, and small amounts of red meat(once a week). People from Mediterranean rellish on a glass or 2 of red wine with their meals. They enjoy fresh fruits and cheese for desserts or baked goods sweetened with sugar or honey a few times per week. They also incorporate activity but tha's besides the point.

Dr. Sinclair has been interviewed by every major news network for his amazing discovery, that a 125 year human lifespan would become possible.

From doing research, this diet is probably ONE of the healthiest IF not THE healthiest. It's been recognized AS the healthiest in many articles. :)I thought many of you would find an interest in this, although I'm sure many of you know. :)

ALthough, some people may feel at their optimal best on the "Paleo" diet, "Vegan" diet...everybody is different and if those diets work for you that's fantastic! :)
ALthough, I don't think that humans were only meant to consume anything else but ONLY meat, veggies, fruits, and some nuts. :)
ALthough, some people may feel at their optimal best on the "Paleo" diet, "Vegan" diet...everybody is different and if those diets work for you that's fantastic!
ALthough, I don't think that humans were only meant to consume anything else but ONLY meat, veggies, fruits, and some nuts.

[B]I'm curious, do you think humans were meant to eat wheat, corn and rice. How about cows milk or soy beans?
none of these "foods" can be eaten (excepting the milk) without processing and cooking so how would humans be "meant" to eat them? Just curious on how you would answer this[/B]
[QUOTE=tdot]LS,

If you are worried about the calories in store bought hummus, make it yourself! I was vegetarian for 10 years + had a family who was crazy about healthy food. My Dad started making hummus when I was about 14 (10 years ago) and then I started making it too. I usually make it once a week and with the recipe I use, I never feel guilty about eating a lot of it.

Here is my recipe. Give it a try!

1 can chick peas, drained
2 cloves garlic
1 tbsp tahini (sesame seed paste)
juice of 2 lemons
2 tbsp olive oil
1 tsp cumin
salt and pepper to taste
1-3 tbsp of water (depending on how thick/smooth you like it)

Basically what I do is I puree the garlic the food processor, then I had the lemon juice, chick peas, tahini and so on. I drizzle the olive oil in slowly so it is smooth

*Tip: If you would like it to be really low fat, use only 1 tbsp olive oil and use water to make it smooth

This recipe is really low fat (and the fat used is healthy fat) and high in protein! I eat it everyday!!!

ENJOY![/QUOTE]Mm.. sounds good. I'm gonna try it out! :)
[QUOTE=justme_]Mm.. sounds good. I'm gonna try it out! :)[/QUOTE]

It's awesome. I love hummus and just can't bring myself to buy the stuff in the grocery stores - it is mostly fat. When you make it from scratch, you can control the amount of fat you use and you can get the amount of fat pretty low in this recipe.

Enjoy!
[QUOTE=racehorse]ALthough, some people may feel at their optimal best on the "Paleo" diet, "Vegan" diet...everybody is different and if those diets work for you that's fantastic!
ALthough, I don't think that humans were only meant to consume anything else but ONLY meat, veggies, fruits, and some nuts.

[B]I'm curious, do you think humans were meant to eat wheat, corn and rice. How about cows milk or soy beans?
none of these "foods" can be eaten (excepting the milk) without processing and cooking so how would humans be "meant" to eat them? Just curious on how you would answer this[/B][/QUOTE]
I meant, that I do believe that beans, rice, and high quality whole grains(non processed) are an important part of our diet. And yah, you have to cook the beans, corn and rice.LOL

And I also just explained in my last two posts in this particular thread, the one about modern agriculture, and the one about the mediterranean diet(WHICH DOES include rice, beans, whole grains etc and the one's who follow it maintains excellent health). And it seems like your theory about this "paleo" diet is the only way to eat, and I dont' think it's for everybody. :) I'm sure there are many people who actually DO benefit from this diet though. But like I said, ONE diet doesn't work for everybody. We all have different metabolic types etc, and advocating the paleo diet, could make some really sick. I know people who ate low carb that were constipated all the time, low of energy, and their cholesterol was high. The paleo diet is old, and that was before man discovered other healthy foods to eat, some are good to eat and some aren't. :) This white flour junk and processed wheat, and greasy foods and chemicals is where "man" messed up!!lol Just because the "paleo" diet was the first foods we ate when we first evolved doesn't mean anything. Like I said, modern agriculture(not to mention many other things) has vastly improved over MANY years.

In Japan and China, they eat lots of beans and rice and their known for good health.
[QUOTE=Jessicca]I meant, that I do believe that beans, rice, and high quality whole grains(non processed) are an important part of our diet. And yah, you have to cook the beans, corn and rice.LOL

And I also just explained in my last two posts in this particular thread, the one about modern agriculture, and the one about the mediterranean diet(WHICH DOES include rice, beans, whole grains etc and the one's who follow it maintains excellent health). And it seems like your theory about this "paleo" diet is the only way to eat, and I dont' think it's for everybody. :) I'm sure there are many people who actually DO benefit from this diet though. But like I said, ONE diet doesn't work for everybody. We all have different metabolic types etc, and advocating the paleo diet, could make some really sick. I know people who ate low carb that were constipated all the time, low of energy, and their cholesterol was high. The paleo diet is old, and that was before man discovered other healthy foods to eat, some are good to eat and some aren't. :) This white flour junk and processed wheat, and greasy foods and chemicals is where "man" messed up!!lol Just because the "paleo" diet was the first foods we ate when we first evolved doesn't mean anything. Like I said, modern agriculture(not to mention many other things) has vastly improved over MANY years.

In Japan and China, they eat lots of beans and rice and their known for good health.[/QUOTE]

Evolution is a selection process and if it's natural that you're looking for, a paleo diet is THE only one humans have been selected to eat. While a paleo diet can be widely varied as to % of plant to animal food or vice versa the basic components didn't include the modern foods you seem to think are healthy. Before humans ate these modern foods they were more robust, had few or no dental caries, did not suffer from obesity, diabetes, heart disease, cancer or other diseases of modern humans. So, the question becomes why do you think these foods are healthy? The Mediterranean diet you think so highly of is just a diet that limits the worst of the modern diet such as prepared foods, artificial fats and additives. A reduction in harm is not optimal and while I also think that such a diet is healthier than SAD it is NOT a diet that promotes optimal health.
[QUOTE=racehorse]Evolution is a selection process and if it's natural that you're looking for, a paleo diet is THE only one humans have been selected to eat. While a paleo diet can be widely varied as to % of plant to animal food or vice versa the basic components didn't include the modern foods you seem to think are healthy. Before humans ate these modern foods they were more robust, had few or no dental caries, did not suffer from obesity, diabetes, heart disease, cancer or other diseases of modern humans. So, the question becomes why do you think these foods are healthy? The Mediterranean diet you think so highly of is just a diet that limits the worst of the modern diet such as prepared foods, artificial fats and additives. A reduction in harm is not optimal and while I also think that such a diet is healthier than SAD it is NOT a diet that promotes optimal health.[/QUOTE]
Well since your a celiac and seem really smart, :) my antigliadin test came up postive but the secretary said that it wasn't so serious. My Igg number was 38 and the normal is 20. Remember, I had a blood test to see if i had a "gluten intolorance." I may have to eat like this "paleo" diet after all. But I love rice, so I don't think I have to give up that. I can't have any breads or anything so, it looks like this will be my diet, LOL. Is 38 high??
thanks I'm shocked!!! :eek:
[QUOTE=Jessicca]Well since your a celiac and seem really smart, :) my antigliadin test came up postive but the secretary said that it wasn't so serious. My Igg number was 38 and the normal is 20. Remember, I had a blood test to see if i had a "gluten intolorance." I may have to eat like this "paleo" diet after all. But I love rice, so I don't think I have to give up that. I can't have any breads or anything so, it looks like this will be my diet, LOL. Is 38 high??
thanks I'm shocked!!! :eek:[/QUOTE]

[B]Your doctor may want to do an endoscopy/biopsy to confirm a diagnosis of Celiac disease. I personally have undergone this procedure but would not do it again. There are now several tests that are definitive and non invasive, a DNA test and a fecal test both of which can be done at home. Rice can be eaten by some even most celiacs as it does not contain gluten. However I have found that elimination of all grains produces a better result. Celiacs have serious gut damage that produces something called leaky gut syndrome and because of that autoimmune dieseases are common. Dairy and legumes can be big problems for celiacs and I eat neither. Good luck and remember you will need to educate yourself on this issue if you are to be able to protect yourself from hidden gluten in the grocery store products and at restuarants[/B]
[QUOTE=racehorse]The test results you got back are not conclusive of Celiac disease. It means you have antibodies present in your blood. That can mean a number of things. What I did say was there are now more conclusive non-invasive tests that are conclusive and those are what I suggested. I also suggest you treat yourself as a Celiac until proven otherwise by the tests I suggested. So go gluten free and educate yourself about hidden gluten in foods and drugs.[/QUOTE]
Oh okay thank you. Does it mean there is DEFINITELY something wrong, even though it may not be gluten? I read that it could very well be gluten in one article, then another article said that it could be a number of things like you said. I guess I'll have to wait. If this non invasive conclusive test indicates a negatve response, then what should I do? My doc is very busy and he didn't call me back today, i'll be talking to him tomorrow i hope.

Where do I get this at home test?
If they are both negative for Celiac/gluten intolerance then you have something else going on. My guess is that you may/maynot have celiac but certainly are at least gluten intolerant.
[QUOTE=racehorse]If they are both negative for Celiac/gluten intolerance then you have something else going on. My guess is that you may/maynot have celiac but certainly are at least gluten intolerant.[/QUOTE]
No, like I said, one of them were positive the IgG so I'm still waiting to talk to the doc. Thanks a lot.
hi racecoarse,

does your diet involve eating everything raw (including the meat you mention)? i have read that the reason for much of man's disease is his consumption of cooked foods. of yeah, and for the gas with the legumes try papaya enzyme and chew your food!

alex.
I guess my post did not connect so again ... I don't eat all raw but eat most meat rare. I eat large amounts of raw veg but some such as cruciferous ones like in the cabbage family lightly steamed as raw they can be goitrogenic. I hadn't heard about the papapya solution to legumes but I don't eat them. Phytates, protease inhibitors, haemagluttins, isoflavones present way too much downside for an amino acid profile that is lacking. The enzyme question is interesting with some believing that human ancestors may have controlled fire for over a half million years and so roasted and baked meats and some plant foods for long enough for evolution to accomodate the changes in food chemistry. Others think this "cooking" is of much more recent vintage and such evolutionary change could not have happened. Therefore, the unheated enzymes would be more key. Because of custom, palate and hygiene I don't personally see moving to an all raw diet (which would include animal foods) but I see no reason why it wouldn't be very healthy.
[QUOTE=tdot]LS,

If you are worried about the calories in store bought hummus, make it yourself! I was vegetarian for 10 years + had a family who was crazy about healthy food. My Dad started making hummus when I was about 14 (10 years ago) and then I started making it too. I usually make it once a week and with the recipe I use, I never feel guilty about eating a lot of it.

Here is my recipe. Give it a try!

1 can chick peas, drained
2 cloves garlic
1 tbsp tahini (sesame seed paste)
juice of 2 lemons
2 tbsp olive oil
1 tsp cumin
salt and pepper to taste
1-3 tbsp of water (depending on how thick/smooth you like it)

Basically what I do is I puree the garlic the food processor, then I had the lemon juice, chick peas, tahini and so on. I drizzle the olive oil in slowly so it is smooth

*Tip: If you would like it to be really low fat, use only 1 tbsp olive oil and use water to make it smooth

This recipe is really low fat (and the fat used is healthy fat) and high in protein! I eat it everyday!!!

ENJOY![/QUOTE]How do you prepare the chickpeas? Straight from the can? Raw? Or do you cook them first, or something? Thanks.
Sorry Justme, not sure. I'm the type of cook that I just throw it all in and it ends up tasting incredible. My friends believe my food is magic and I never use a recipe. Actually the one above, I basically made up. I just kinda follow what my Dad did, but changed a few things.
I went thru a phase of eating hummus. It is so delicious! I stopped myself from buying it, because I thought it was too many carbs. Just recently, I saw that hummus is on the list to eat when on a low-carb diet. I might buy more now that I know that!





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