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Hi All

Dr Zhang has extensive credentials and has written a book(s) about healing hepatitis C with herbs. His book according to others talks about lyme and autoimmune diseases. He has a clinic in NYC and out of curiousity I called them and they told me he wrote a book specific to healing lyme which is coming out next week. You have to call his clinic to get it but will be available on amazon at a future time.

I am interested in checking this out as his list of credentials is impressive and he believes in using the chinese herbs in combination with the western meds. His rate for consultations was reasonable however the herbs were more costly. He does phone consults also.

If anyone has any info on this Dr I would be interested.

Kim
hi kim! ia m interested!! let me know, , thank you_!
Dear Kim,

I do know he is referred to in the back of S. Buhner's book Healing Lyme. I remember talking to my acupuncture doctor one time and she was telling me that chinese herbs stay in the body for weeks at a time unlike western medicine so maybe you don't have to take as much. I may have to call her and ask her about this doctor. I'm sure she would know. Her daughter is an internal medicine resident now in Dallas so she understands both worlds and has never told me to stop any western meds. I think that is what makes these kind of doctors so great. They accept both approaches. Too bad most traditional doctors don't do the same.

Maureen
Maureen & Brid

I should have put his full name-Dr Qingcai Zhang.

Kim
I have been doing Chinese boiling herbs for years and my experience has been that this is a superior form of healing (and I've tried a lot). The idea behind Chinese/Oriental medicine is to restore [I]balance[/I] to the body. Since receiving the Lyme diagnosis I saw my practitioner (in NYC) last week to get herbs specific for my symptoms and Lymes. My concern about abx is that it is creating further imbalances in the body, maybe killing things off, but at the expensive of other organ systems. I agreed to take the doxy (prescribed by my Western doc,) but eveything tells me I should stop and return to my roots - natural healing.

Thanks for this info. I will check out his book as well.
I have used Dr. Zangs treatment. I have nothing to say about it good.

I don't believe at all he can heal Lyme. more he found out a way to milk people of big bucks.

Sorry to say this, as no wants a cure more then I. But his treatment has much to lack.

I would only say don't use only his treatment other wise you may find yourself going backwards.

This is what happened for me. And one more thing I got the feeling like he knew I knew to much about Lyme and got the impression he knew his treatment wouldn't help me.

Very expensive and nothing for me worked or was even close to working. I understand when something is working for me.
Okay, thanks for the heads up. If you do want Chinese boiling herbs, though. I like my practitioner in NYC - NanJing Acupuncture and Herbs.
ekim

Just curious-did you see Dr Zhang? Or did you get the treatments from his book? Thanks for your feedback.

peregrine

Is there different type of herbs? When you say you boil them does that mean you drink them as a tea? I'm very interested in this. I went for accupuncture last year (going for MS when it was actually lyme) and they did herbs there also, but don't know what type. The woman was from China and I liked her alot but accupuncture did not help me although very relaxing. I'm wondering if the fact that I didn't want to stimulate my immune system (MS) which is the opposite of what you want to do in lyme had anything to do with it not working. If anyone knows about accupuncture let me know what you think. I will try anything atleast twice but I have a budget$$ which is strained as we all know this is an expensive disease due to supplements, treatments, etc which are not covered..

Kim
[QUOTE=lymegirl]

peregrine

Is there different type of herbs? When you say you boil them does that mean you drink them as a tea? I'm very interested in this. I went for accupuncture last year (going for MS when it was actually lyme) and they did herbs there also, but don't know what type. The woman was from China and I liked her alot but accupuncture did not help me although very relaxing. I'm wondering if the fact that I didn't want to stimulate my immune system (MS) which is the opposite of what you want to do in lyme had anything to do with it not working. If anyone knows about accupuncture let me know what you think. I will try anything atleast twice but I have a budget$$ which is strained as we all know this is an expensive disease due to supplements, treatments, etc which are not covered..

Kim[/QUOTE]

Lymegirl,

The herbs are made up as a prescription/forumla specific for [I]you[/I]depending on your pulses(not the western pulse, these indicate the condition of each organ) and many other factors. Chinese medicine differs from Western, Allopathic medicine in that they treat the individual, not the symptom. Once the condition of your organs (and the location of the imbalances) is known, the herbs are then selected. I have been doing this for over 20 years and doctors/practitioners vary in how they then want you to take them. Some grind them into a powder (mostly Western practitioners), some make the tea for you in liquid packets that last a month, but most give you the bundles of herbs and you boil them into a tea yourself. I prefer the later because I love the herbs, the different sizes and colors and smells, and the process of preparing my own "medicine". I also do not mind the taste, but many people do. I think of it as drinking the earth. Also, because it invariably makes me feel better, I give thanks for the healing rather than hold my nose and just try to get it down. For most, it would be an acquired taste, I'm sure.
If you decide to do it I would definitely try to find someone from the eastern countries, China, Korea, Vietnam, etc., rather than a Western practitioner. I'm sure there are some good ones, and this probably sounds strange, but there is something about having been born into this system (rather than studying it for X amount of years as an adult) that, to me, seems to make a difference in the skill of the practitioner. I know excellent people in San Francisco, Philly and NYC, if you are in any of these area.

Prema
Dear Prema & Kim,

I like this discussion because it ties into something I was doing at one time and to be honest with you what was helping me the most.

I went to a Chinese acupuncture doctor here in Dallas recommended by a craft customer. She really was not that expensive $50/treatment but every week makes it $200 a month. She was trained in Northern China and her husband works for IBM so they moved to New York then Texas. We are about the same age (58) and got along great. Her daughter is an internal medicine resident at Presbyterian Hospital here in Dallas so she respects both worlds.

You're right the acupuncture is very relaxing and I was walking better than ever. I would take little birdseye looking herbs she gave me and she told me to drink hot water not cold. I couldn't go quite that far but at least now drink it room temp. She has taught me how to not get so upset over every little thing that happens in my life. At one point my oldest daughter came for a visit and really upset the apple cart so to speak and she could read from the needles that they weren't working. She sent me home with herbs for a few weeks and said when I calmed down to return. She didn't want to take my money if my mind or whatever would not allow the needles to do their work. Most doctors would be happy to take the $50 and say see you next week.

One time she went to a conference and spoke to the speaker afterwards about my condition (again lyme was not discovered yet). He told her what to give me and I left her place and had to go and buy red dates and ginger at an Asian market. Of course it was all written in chinese at the store so a very nice shopper helped me. I started to call her and ask if I should eat what was in the bag since I hadn't opened it yet but figured I would look first. I was supposed to combine the bag contents the red dates and slices of ginger to make a tea and drink once or twice a day (can't remember which) for two weeks. Anyway I opened the bag and knew I was supposed to strain it because it was full of bark, twigs, seeds, and who knows what. She told me I would sweat and not to sit under an air vent because the sweating was good. I drank all 2 weeks worth. Wasn't great but I didn't retch either. When I went back to see her she said I was probably the first American who had actually swallowed all 2 weeks worth. I did sweat some but probably not enough. If they had known it was lyme maybe other things would have been added who knows. By the way the dates and ginger were just to give it some flavor. What's funny is my youngest daughter came home from work and saw the simmering pot on the stove and asked what's for dinner. :eek:

I have talked to her at times but haven't seen her for 2 years now and wonder if I should try somehow to come up with the money to do so. I don't know for sure but figure she could even work around the meds I am taking. I do know she said she would fight this by building up the immune system since we know know it's lyme. I wanted to kill the lyme not just build up the immune system to fight it. Maybe what she recommended would kill it eventually anyway. You have both given me food for thought and I will probably call her and discuss options this week. I think I mentioned before how she told me chinese herbs stay in your system for weeks not hours like traditional meds. Thanks for this discussion.

Maureen

PS When I was going crazy with my daughter she told me I had to focus only on what I had control over and give the rest up. I joked with her and said I would have to come and live at her house to do this. She actually got a look on her face as though I meant it. I am not totally doing this but believe me when I say I am at least 90% better. I keep joking with Ronnie that he needs to go and get stuck by her so he can stop freaking out at every little thing. :bouncing:
Hi Maureen and Prema

I like this discussion too and it's funny I woke up this morning thinking about calling my accupunturist to see what she says. I want to ask her if treatment would be any different now that I know we are dealing with lyme and not MS. She is not the type to take my money for something she doesn't believe she can treat although no guarantees I know even if she would treat differently. She was $80 a session last year which may have gone up by now, but I've checked others and they are about the same price. She was born and trained in China and moved here in her 20s. She also does herbs. I would fall asleep at every session I was so relaxed.

I've been seeking out people (Dr) who have similar beliefs as me and ones I can learn from and who I trust are not just out there for money. I have found a wonderful chiropractor who I am doing NAET with (an allergy elimination technique), a massage therapist who is excellent, and I met a nutritionist at a cooking class at the health food store recently who could help me develope a diet and receipes. The problem is everything is so expensive. Wouldn't it be great if I could go for NAET, accupuncture, a massage and whatever else every week. If I wasn't worrying about costs wouldn't I be so relaxed atleast and maybe even better. Not to mention supplements and co-pays and my head just spins. Because I can't work our income is cut in half and I am just filled with guilt about the money I do spend. I know Jeanne was struggling with that too before she went to Kansas. I have to say if I could give someone a million dollars and my health would be restored I would do it in a minute, even if it mean selling my house or borrowing the money. Problem is none of this is a definite and I have to weigh benefit to cost, as I'm sure you all do.

I was just on the internet researching saunas and we are going to order one. My birthday was this past week and we are calling it a b-day present, which makes me feel alittle better.

Have a great weekend :)
Kim
Dear Kim,

I don't know if this would consolidate your bills or not but I have a friend who goes to an acupuncture doctor for acupressure to treat alllergies. Ever since she went she is basically allergy free. Problem is I know you like the natural doctor you go to right now.

Maureen
[QUOTE=lymegirl]ekim

Just curious-did you see Dr Zhang? Or did you get the treatments from his book? Thanks for your feedback.

Kim[/QUOTE]

I saw him in person. Not sure if its different then other treatments he may offer.
My experience with Dr. Zhang is WONDERFUL and on going.
It is the only thing that saved my life.
I diagnosed myself with lyme after 14 doctors dicked around with stupid answers to my symptoms. I knew I was bitten, I was ill everytime this thing bit me.. yes.. I felt it.. lyme also is transferable thru other blood sucking critters. Anyway, I came to Palo Alto as I had every symptom and had to move in with my MOM. oh my.. yes.. anyway. I found a Lyme Dr. in Los Altos, I dictated my journal of symptoms for 4 mos.to her. She said you have lyme and probably Babesia..
So off the blood goes to IgeneX.. yup.. Lyme and Babs and Bartonella.
By the way the first lyme test done by another dr. came out negative so it is paramount that you get blood work from a proper lab.
Ok.. then for 8 mos. She dicks around with this antibiotic and that antibiotic and charging me 400 bucks cash for every appt. then 60 bucks for 5 minutes on the phone.. And never knowing what Antibiotic I was on..
So she became useless..
This is where Zhang comes in
So I continued my search for herbs and alternative medicine as I knew I would either burn out my innerds or die from this as it had me crawling on the floor, stuttering, heart jolts, a mess..
Anyway I found Dr. Zhang and saw that he was endorsed by Dr. Andrew Weil.
I respect Andrew so I called Zhangs office.
He told me about what he does.
I set up a phone appt. 150.00
he spent an hour with me.. read my blood charts, read my Igenex charts.
ok..
So the next step is I go on protocol one. With the stinky garlic pill
Whew.. what a drag that was..
but I had relief..
I could also call him and talk with him FREE.. he never charged me again. and read my on going blood charts.

So he is treating for babs and bartonella first.
I was on his protocol at the same time as the Antibiotics. .. for probably 4 mos.. Then I weened off of them and was on the herbs only.

After about 6 mos of protocol one.. I felt that it was not working as well.
I got his book from the office.. read it several times and called him and asked to go on protocol TWO..
BIG difference.
So I have been on protocol two for almost a year..
I keep asking him if he can really cure it.. he always says YES>.
Usually it takes 6 mos to a year.. with me it's a year and a half.
BUT......
it is keeping me alive and well.
I also take his herbs for headache, joint and muscle pain, brain melt down/farts, and other things he recommends.

Yes.. I pay 250.00 a month.. but it is worth it.
Another thing he recommends is Rocephin.. I get that from a site online.
It really helps the brain.
he has an herb for the fatique as well.

So to sum this up.. sorry it is so lengthy.
IT WORKS FOR ME>> It works over time. It keeps me well. I was a mess before..
Also his herbs are his own brand created under controlled environment.
One other thing that has kicked the lyme's ass is I changed my diet.. BIG DIFFERENCE>. no sugar, wheat, etc.. the lyme hates that .. it has no other inflamatory food to feast on..

Adrienne





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