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Trigycerides
Mar 17, 2008
Hey there Bearygood. Figured Id give you a good laugh. I finally saw my Primary Care doc, who is an internist this week...took all my blood work from the past 2 years, showing how my Tri's keep going up and up (until the last one which dropped 15 points but is still "high" according to the lab..

My primary care doc first assumed it was from the Rebif, which he then found out (by making a call to Serano pharmaceuticals) that its not possible...then he tried to blame the oils Im taking (fish, flax and EPO)- only for me to show him where Fish is used to lower Trigylercides... so then he assumes that it must be my diet...hello? Im eating nothing but low fat or no fat foods, only using Olive oils and good oils to cook with- have totally eliminated trans fat and almost all the processed foods (i still cant get around the OCCASIONAL sweet) but lets face it- Im 110 lbs and solid muscle. I work out 5 days a week both cardio and strength training- I dont drink alcohol beyond the occasional glass of wine, and even then, one glass a month would be considered alot for me. Its not my diet.
So, he tells me that Tris around 200 are not all that bad and hes just going to watch it....he did send me for a specific sugar test, one where it gives more info then the usual glucose fast....he said diabetes do go hand and hand with high Tri's....however, that came back spot on normal as well....
SO, hes told me to enjoy life and not worry about it.
Im alittle concerned about those comments, but then again the more I read about this, the less concerned I am, simply because it seems that Tri's are really not considered a problem as long as overall Cholesterol is normal, which mine is....
bUt I didnt appreciate the brush off that I got....Ive now spoken to several specialists who tell me just to watch it and monitor it every 6 months and not to sweat it....apprently, they do not even recommend meds unless it reaches 300 or above....I guess thats good, since meds are the furthest thing from my mind...but would you be upset if your doctor told you to "watch it" and not do anything proactive?? I guess in all honestly, there is nothing more that can be done!

Thoughts?
Nikki
Re: Trigycerides
Mar 18, 2008
Nikki, I'm on the run and only just saw this. Will read more thoroughly and respond as soon as I can!
Re: Trigycerides
Mar 20, 2008
Hi Nikki,

I asked my grandmother (the holistic one) about this. The only thing she knew was that a Vitamin D deficiency can cause an increase in triglycerides. But I think I remember you saying in the past that you never had a deficiency.

Sorry I can't be of more help. I just wanted to pass on what Grandma said!
Re: Trigycerides
Mar 21, 2008
Thanks April, and nope, your right, had my D levels tested and they are normal...dont know what to make of this....but thanks!
Nikki
Re: Trigycerides
Mar 30, 2008
Nikki, I asked someone who might know about this -- I'll let you know as soon as I hear back.

In the meantime, I did find that smoking is another culprit. Just add it to the list of reasons we need to quit! ;)
Re: Trigycerides
Mar 31, 2008
I relayed your situation as best I know it. I don't think you're on any Beta Blocker drugs but she said they can raise them. A more likely culprit in your case seems to be high glycemic carbs so as hard as it might be, try to cut down on your beloved pasta! Obviously, this also includes potatoes, white bread and sugar.

Also reconfirmed that fish oil is absolutely regarded as helpful. She mentioned a prescription fish oil called Lovaza that is very strong. It is designed for triglycerides over 500 though so it's possible that just taking a good over the counter brand and watching your diet and smoking might help enough.
Re: Trigycerides
Apr 1, 2008
Nenu, yes, it can often be found where soy and rice milk are.
Re: Trigycerides
Apr 1, 2008
Bearygood, do you know of any bad effects that soy can have on MS? I'm lactose intolerant and use a lot of soy products. I really like the taste of soymilk and soy ice cream especially.
Re: Trigycerides
Apr 1, 2008
Nenu, I posted about the lactose thing on my Feeling Low thread.
Re: Trigycerides
Apr 1, 2008
[QUOTE=april1848;3512272]Bearygood, do you know of any bad effects that soy can have on MS? I'm lactose intolerant and use a lot of soy products. I really like the taste of soymilk and soy ice cream especially.[/QUOTE]

Directly related to MS, I can't say. However, some research [B]has[/B] shown that soy may adversely affect brain function. Other things unfermented soy products (tofu, milk, ice cream, etc.) have been linked to are decreased fertility in men, absorption of various nutrients and an increased risk of cancer. When soy is fermented (tempeh, tamari, miso), the harmful trypsin inhibitors, hemaglutinin and phytates are removed. It's also important to buy organic soy, not GM (genetically modified). Not as easy though since the most readily available products are GM.

What got me started on soy research a while ago was that a lot of sources I respected said it is difficult to digest and basically not the miracle food many regard it as.

I think it's okay in moderation but I definitely watch my soy intake and I do try to avoid it when there are other good alternatives (like almond or rice milk).
Re: Trigycerides
Apr 6, 2008
Hello Bearygood! Thanks for letting me know that this was going on while I was gone....
First of all, your comments about Estrogen really hit home..especially because as soon as I went offf the pill, I saw some immediate (within a month) decrease in Triglycerides....I am due to have more blood work done at the end of April and am anxious to see if it drops yet again.

Also, I had read that there was a prescription Fish Oil out there, but none of my docs felt compelled enough to look it up and see what it was or how its prescribed. It HAS to be cheaper to take a script then to continue taking the amount of quality fish oil I take- I already spend close to 100$ on it a month between myself and my husband (who is taking half my dose). Thank you for giving me a name of it...now, I can pressure them to read up on it more.

The smoking thing is a no brainer- but yes, its another reason...;) and NO, Im not on any beta blockers- nor do I indulge in Soy...I dont like Soy products and hadnt read anything good about them in a long time, I cut them out entirely, except for the occasional amount found in Thai or Chinese food, which I very rarely eat....I do LOVE almond milk- but the calories! WOW. I have been buying non fat milk, organic, which seems to do the trick for me, since I only use it in cereal and coffee...im not a huge milk drinker...so I think im okay with all that- but thank you very much for pointing it out.

I really appreciate the info you share with all of us and specifically to me, when I ask your input...thank you. Hope you are feeling well these days! If not, I highly recommend a week in Cancun - all the sudden nothing hurts!:D But im sure by 5 pm on Monday, all my aches and pains will have returned! BTW, met 2 interns (on vacation) from Brooklyn Hosptial who had just come from doing rotations in Neuro at Mt. Siani (sp?) last month- they were very interesting to talk to and we spoke at length about supplements , etc. They both were of the theory that taking extra supplements isnt worth the money you spend on them....they felt that a multi vitamin could do as well as anything else...when I started discussing how I felt when I went off my supplements for surgery, they raised an eyebrow, but when I spoke of what the Tumeric has done for me....they couldnt argue it. Its interesting, even out next generation of physicians can talk the talk about medical procedures, but cant for the life of them, grasp the importance of nutritional balance! We called it an agreement to disagree and had another Cerveza!
Hugs
Nikki
Re: Trigycerides
Apr 6, 2008
Nikki, I apologize if you've outlined this before, but how much Omega are you taking daily?
Re: Trigycerides
Apr 6, 2008
I take 3500 mgs of Fish Oil (a really good pharmacuetical grade) 1000 mgs of flaxseed oil and 1000 mgs of evening primrose oil...all in capsule form. I take alot more then that, too, but I think that answers your question?
Nikki
Re: Trigycerides
Apr 6, 2008
[QUOTE=MSNik;3519674]I take 3500 mgs of Fish Oil (a really good pharmacuetical grade) 1000 mgs of flaxseed oil and 1000 mgs of evening primrose oil...all in capsule form. I take alot more then that, too, but I think that answers your question?
Nikki[/QUOTE]

Sure does, thank you :)
Re: Trigycerides
Apr 6, 2008
Nikki, I just checked my fridge to make sure I'm not crazy -- the almond milk I have in there right now is 70 calories a cup which I think is less than even skim milk. Whew -- you got me nervous for a minute! It's possible you've been looking at the sweetened kind. My point about milk was soy, that there are other good (possibly better) alternatives for people trying to avoid dairy.





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