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Such an interesting thread! I wanted to post to it because I too have been taking strontium (in its citrate form) for 13 months now, ever since my DEXA last July came back with a DX of osteopenia in my hip and lumbar spine
(-2.0) and osteoporosis in my lateral lumbar spine (-2.6). It was a significant leap down from the bone density of the year before that, and it shocked me. I mobilized the day my MD said, "Well, you may have just won yourself a year's trial of Fosamax."

I declined with thanks, and started in with a list of supplements that would have choked a horse. Main ones were EZorb Calcium (the powder) in the AM, with all sorts of attendant minerals (magnesium, potassium, boron, zinc, silicon, etc.) in separate bottles, K2 (the menatrenetone form), cod liver oil (1 teaspoon day, 1 teaspoon evening); then, in the PM, instead of EZorb I take BoneUp (which has all the minerals in it and the calcium is in the form of microcrystalline hydroxyapatite [MCHA]). Around 8 PM I take collagen powder dissolved in liquid, with my vitamin C. And the strontium citrate I take in the middle of the night--I get up anyway for a bathroom run, so I just take it then.

I just had my follow-up bone density DEXA August 14, over a year later, and I made sure the tech knew about the strontium going in. The results were encouraging: the hip and lumbar spine went from -2.0 to -1.1 and the lateral lumbar spine went from -2.6 to -1.6. Everything is now mild osteopenia.

I've no idea why or which or when...or if it will continue to improve or revert or what. But for now, I'm well pleased with the regimen and the results, and I will continue with the strontium citrate and everything else. So I just wanted to encourage you to give the strontium citrate a good trial, to try to take it well away from any calcium or calcium-containing foods (and preferably on an empty stomach)--and if you're taking K2, to try to make sure it's the menatetrenone (not menaquinone ) form.

Good luck!
[QUOTE]I was surprised to see both calcium and magnesium in the Bone-Up, they go through the same channels and most books recommend taking them separately.[/QUOTE] Jacal, can you point me to any research on this one? This is so weird--I have books (and bookmarked a few sites that focus on what to take with what, and how best to absorb this mineral or that supp., you know the thing I mean) that say the opposite: that calcium and magnesium should be taken together (albeit in a one-part-magnesium to two-part-calcium ratio).

It's insane, how you can get conflicting information from the research community!

I did get the "you should take strontium away from calcium" advice, however, since apparently they are both taken up through the same pathways. But I didn't get that info on magnesium with calcium. Sheesh. Sometimes I think you just can't believe anyone, you have to do it for yourself and learn from experience!

BTW, I would have been angry, too, about that woman selling you something with beef in it--it's like a diabetic asking specifically about a dish, to make sure there's no sugar in it, and then getting it anyway. It's wrong. I'm glad the company reimbursed you, though. :)

In the end, I think it has to be how we feel, and how much confidence we have in ourselves and whatver regimen we're on--and I guess to keep studying, keep reading, and keep enjoying life as best we can! New things crop up all the time, but of course that doesn't make them cure-alls; so I guess we have to take everything with a grain of salt and a sense of humor, eh?

When I got my DX last year, I had no way of knowing if what I threw myself into would work or not. But I figured, hey, might as well try. I read here that others had tried, a few had found EZorb successful, a few had found strontium a good supp., and so on. I'm still on the fence about all of it, but I'm happy to keep on--and with this latest encouragement, I'm happier still. :D

I hope that you, too, find a protocol that contents you, and works like a charm!

BEst, Sona
[QUOTE=jacal5;3182506]Hi Sona,

I achieved a good spine result with E-zorb, I went from osteopenia to normal, but my left hip was slightly worse on second scan at -2.4, right hip was -1.6. I don't have a baseline for my right hip because the first DEXA scan only did the left side. I called E-zorb rep. with the results and he told me to increase tablets to 5 daily, so I take two in the morning and three at night. I did the boost dose when I started it. [/QUOTE] That's great, Jacal! Reading about EZorb calcium on this site is the reason I decided to go with it for my evening calcium (and BoneUp for my morning calcium)--so I add the minerals at night, even though the makers of EZorb say you don't need to. I made the decision that it would be a good idea (and, of course, the BoneUp has the other minerals, so I don't bother in the AM). I think EZorb is a good product!

[QUOTE]I read about calcium/magnesium blocking each other on this message board a while back. I also read that Vitamin C and Zinc shouldn't be taken with calcium either, I think I got the info from the "Bone Density Diet Book." The book is great, I know you will love it from the questions you are asking, take it out of the library. Don't let the title fool you, it covers every aspect of bone health.[/QUOTE] Vitamin C and zinc, I think I read about too. But it was the directive I received about taking my C with the collagen powder that clinched it--the zinc isn't taken anywhere near it, but that was serendipity. :)

I just reread the section I have bookmarked on a site that talks about how to best absorb _____ (whatever mineral you're interested in), and again, it still says to take magnesium with calcium. And I just took a look at a book I've had for a long time: "Prescription for Nutritional Healing." A large book, kind of a bible of nutritional information, by James Balch. Under the section "Interaction of Minerals," it says that calcium is enhanced by the ingestion of magnesium. So I think, for the time being at any rate, I'll continue to take my calcium with my magnesium--but away from the strontium. ;)

[QUOTE]I have been reading about Vitamin k2 on your posts and wondering if I should consider it. Vitamin K scares me because my dental hygenist who was into natural cures, blamed "fooling around with Vitamin K" for a stroke that she suffered, so I assumed she took Vitamin K for bone health. I am definitely not implying that Vit. K2 will cause a stroke more than K1 or vice versa. [/QUOTE] You might want to check with her--usually, that concern is uppermost in the minds of people who are on blood-thinning medication like Coumadin. If that's her reason, I can understand her fear, esp. since she's already had a stroke. She would need to keep her blood within a certain INR range, and vitamin K can play with that.

[QUOTE]Thanks for the good wishes and feel free to ask me any questions. I learned mostly everything from this message board, and if I don't know the answer, there are many here who are more knowledgeable than me who will be glad to help you out.[/QUOTE] Thank you!! :D
Hi Sona,


I[QUOTE] just reread the section I have bookmarked on a site that talks about how to best absorb _____ (whatever mineral you're interested in), and again, it still says to take magnesium with calcium. And I just took a look at a book I've had for a long time: "Prescription for Nutritional Healing." A large book, kind of a bible of nutritional information, by James Balch. Under the section "Interaction of Minerals," it says that calcium is enhanced by the ingestion of magnesium. So I think, for the time being at any rate, I'll continue to take my calcium with my magnesium--but away from the strontium[/QUOTE]

I have the James Balch book, copyright 1990, I don't know if you have the same book as I so, or an updated version. He makes several references to magnesium decreasing calcium absorption and vice-versa in the "Minerals" chapter.

page 17 - "for example, too much zinc can deplete the body of copper and an
excessive calcium intake can affect magnesium absorption."

page 19 - "Insufficient vitamin D intake or excess phosphorous and magnesium
hinders the uptake of calcium."

page 20 - "Large amounts of fats, cod liver oil, calcium, vitamin D and protein
decrease magnesium absorption."

I can't find where Balch states that magnesium enhances calcium absorption, but this has been documented many times, so we know it's true, but that doesn't necessarily mean they should be taken at the same time or included the same supplement.

[QUOTE]I have been reading about Vitamin k2 on your posts and wondering if I should consider it. Vitamin K scares me because my dental hygenist who was into natural cures, blamed "fooling around with Vitamin K" for a stroke that she suffered, so I assumed she took Vitamin K for bone health. I am definitely not implying that Vit. K2 will cause a stroke more than K1 or vice versa. [/QUOTE]You might want to check with her--usually, that concern is uppermost in the minds of people who are on blood-thinning medication like Coumadin. If that's her reason, I can understand her fear, esp. since she's already had a stroke. She would need to keep her blood within a certain INR range, and vitamin K can play with that.

She claims she did not have any problems commonly associated with aging, like high blood pressure, heart problems, diabetes, etc. before her stroke so she wouldn't have been on Coumadin. She is blaming the Vitamin K she took for her stroke because Vitamin K thickens the blood. I don't know how much Vit. K she took, or if the Vit. K was the real cause of her stroke. Her story really scared me, so I wouldn't ingest excessive amounts.

[QUOTE]That's great, Jacal! Reading about EZorb calcium on this site is the reason I decided to go with it for my evening calcium (and BoneUp for my morning calcium)--so I add the minerals at night, even though the makers of EZorb say you don't need to. I made the decision that it would be a good idea (and, of course, the BoneUp has the other minerals, so I don't bother in the AM). I think EZorb is a good product![/QUOTE]


Thanks!!! Maybe my hips will improve the E-Zorb and weight lifting, I am hindered from doing aerobics right now due to knee injuries and reinjuries.
I think E-Zorb is good also, the testamonials are amazing, many have improved their t-scores at the spine and hip. I had a lot of fun today, I found a free parking space on the street in NYC (just finding a space at all is difficult, and you have to mortgage the house to pay for a parking garage) and walked around looking at all the shops and street vendors with my knee braces on. My knees hurt, but I made it, I walked over a mile. I hope I helped my bone density!

Take care.
Hi Sona,


I[QUOTE] just reread the section I have bookmarked on a site that talks about how to best absorb _____ (whatever mineral you're interested in), and again, it still says to take magnesium with calcium. And I just took a look at a book I've had for a long time: "Prescription for Nutritional Healing." A large book, kind of a bible of nutritional information, by James Balch. Under the section "Interaction of Minerals," it says that calcium is enhanced by the ingestion of magnesium. So I think, for the time being at any rate, I'll continue to take my calcium with my magnesium--but away from the strontium[/QUOTE]

I have the James Balch book, copyright 1990, I don't know if you have the same book as I so, or an updated version. He makes several references to magnesium decreasing calcium absorption and vice-versa in the "Minerals" chapter.

page 17 - "for example, too much zinc can deplete the body of copper and an
excessive calcium intake can affect magnesium absorption."

page 19 - "Insufficient vitamin D intake or excess phosphorous and magnesium
hinders the uptake of calcium."

page 20 - "Large amounts of fats, cod liver oil, calcium, vitamin D and protein
decrease magnesium absorption."

I can't find where Balch states that magnesium enhances calcium absorption, but this has been documented many times, so we know it's true, but that doesn't necessarily mean they should be taken at the same time or included the same supplement.

[QUOTE]I have been reading about Vitamin k2 on your posts and wondering if I should consider it. Vitamin K scares me because my dental hygenist who was into natural cures, blamed "fooling around with Vitamin K" for a stroke that she suffered, so I assumed she took Vitamin K for bone health. I am definitely not implying that Vit. K2 will cause a stroke more than K1 or vice versa. [/QUOTE]You might want to check with her--usually, that concern is uppermost in the minds of people who are on blood-thinning medication like Coumadin. If that's her reason, I can understand her fear, esp. since she's already had a stroke. She would need to keep her blood within a certain INR range, and vitamin K can play with that.

She claims she did not have any problems commonly associated with aging, like high blood pressure, heart problems, diabetes, etc. before her stroke so she wouldn't have been on Coumadin. She is blaming the Vitamin K she took for her stroke because Vitamin K thickens the blood. I don't know how much Vit. K she took, or if the Vit. K was the real cause of her stroke. Her story really scared me, so I wouldn't ingest excessive amounts.

[QUOTE]That's great, Jacal! Reading about EZorb calcium on this site is the reason I decided to go with it for my evening calcium (and BoneUp for my morning calcium)--so I add the minerals at night, even though the makers of EZorb say you don't need to. I made the decision that it would be a good idea (and, of course, the BoneUp has the other minerals, so I don't bother in the AM). I think EZorb is a good product![/QUOTE]


Thanks!!! Maybe my hips will improve the E-Zorb and weight lifting, I am hindered from doing aerobics right now due to knee injuries and reinjuries.
I think E-Zorb is good also, the testamonials are amazing, many have improved their t-scores at the spine and hip. I had a lot of fun today, I found a free parking space on the street in NYC (just finding a space at all is difficult, and you have to mortgage the house to pay for a parking garage) and walked around looking at all the shops and street vendors with my knee braces on. My knees hurt, but I made it, I walked over a mile. I hope I helped my bone density!

Take care.
Wow! I think the server just developed a severe stutter! :D

Jacal, two things:

[QUOTE]
I had a lot of fun today, I found a free parking space on the street in NYC (just finding a space at all is difficult, and you have to mortgage the house to pay for a parking garage) and walked around looking at all the shops and street vendors with my knee braces on.[/QUOTE] Umm...you have my undying admiration on that one--and it's clear that you caught the attention of the divine. We park our car in a garage on Long Island City, near where my husband works. Parking in NYC itself near our apt. would cost more than the apartment! :D

I didn't realize you wore knee braces--it's really something that you were walking around for so long and didn't feel the effects. Well done, you + EZorb!

The other thing was about the cal/mag connection: "excessive calcium intake can affect magnesium absorption."
I think that what the books may be saying about the absorption issue is that calcium and magnesium CAN be taken together, but the ratio needs to be correct--twice the amount of calcium to the amount of magnesium--for absorption (of both) to be ideal.

I'm not sure it means to take them away from each other, however. For instance, just for fun, try googling this phrase "Take calcium with magnesium?" and see what you get. :)

Anyway, I congratulate you on your parking space in the city and I hope you were able to leave the car there for more than the day! :D

Best, Sona
This isn't about strontium, which I still don't know enough about, but I do want to pass along some info re Ezorb and leg cramps. I have been taking Ezorb for over a year now, inspired by many of the positive reports on this message board. I did notice after a while, though, that I got leg cramps, similar to ones I had when I didn't take enough calcium. So I emailed Ezorb and this was their response, copied and pasted here:

For some people large dosage of EZorb brings out magnesium
deficiency. Get some magnesium pills from your local
grocery store. Your leg cramp should disappear.

When I replied, "how much magnesium" they said:
Simply follow the direction on the bottle of magnesium product you get.

When I asked what strength I should get (I take 5 tsp of Ezorb powder per day), they wrote:
Milligrams are not important as different magnesium
products have slightly different absorption. That's
why we want you to follow instructions on the label.
You may start with higher doses. Once leg cramp
subsides you may reduce to a lower dose.

So, I now take 1/2 the recommended doses of Bluebonnet capsules of magnesium aspartate capsules, which gives me 100 mg, along with 50 mg of potassium, and 70 mg of bromelain. I only take 1 capsule each day (at the same time I take ezorb) because I also take 1 tablet (of the recommended 4) of Rainbow Light Everyday Calcium (screened for vegans) with enzymes which gives me another 300 mg of Magnesium oxide, amino acid chelate, apartate, along with 300 more mg of calcium from a blend of citrate, amino acide chelate, carbonate; 100 iu of D3 and some other enzymes and herbal extracts. These are in addition to flax seed oil, 1000 units of Country Life Vitamin D, and a multivitamin/mineral. I also take levothroid, which has to be taken on an empty stomach -- and is affected by calcium, although ezorb says its formula does not impact levothroid. And I am a vegetarian, moving more into veganism, so am not getting calcium from milk or cheese like I used to.

Sure enough, the leg cramps disappeared. The above is my own concoction, not necessarily scientifically derived. I also started strength training, slow motion, with free weights using Strong Women Strong Bones workout recommendations, alternating with interval training by running in place on a small trampoline. I will probably wait until next February or so for my next bone density, as that is Bone Density month and I am self-pay for those kinds of tests. Then I will find out if I have improved -- I hope I didn't overload you all with tmi. I appreciate any feedback from this helpful, kind-hearted group.

I appreciate hearing how others are dealing with not giving into fear of osteoporosis, and are making their own, informed decisions re the risks of fosamax and foteo, et al.





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