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Hey guys, Methadone and Heroin are not related in any way other than meth is an Opioid and Heroin is an Opiate, meaning derived from opium, Opioids are all synthetic, Meth is no more synthetic heroin than oxycodone or hydromorphone.

Darvecet is in the exact same class of synthestic opiods as methadone and levorphanol, so if any anology is tobe made. Darvecet is to meth as much as codeine is to Heroin only 1/100th the strength in each instance. Same family, same class, 2 opiates and 2 opioids. Meth does have more in common with Darvecet as far as method of creation, chemical equation,
drug classification, and pharmokenetics.

You can't blend Heroin detox or street information with pain management info about methadone. Heroin is created by acetylation of morphine, Heroin is made from opium and in the same class as Morphine and codeine called opiates, does that make hydrocodone synthetic heroin, I thought Oxy was synthetic heroin acording to the media. In fact no research into the classes of opiates or opioids have been done at all by the press and unlikely by your mom to call Oxycontin or methadone synthetic Heroin. One is an opiate , one is an opioid

If anything, Heroin is processed Morphine. Heroin is a trade name owned By IG Farben, the german parent company of Bayer who still holds the patent to Heroin, the hydrochloride of diacetylmorphine, was discovered by acetylation of morphine, Diacetylmorphine (Heroin). It's still used today in the united kingdon. The press does a great job of confusing opiate and opioid and misspelling and misundertsanding opioid pharmakenentics and make the same leaps.

They don't understand the difference bettween Actiq and oxycodone. I saw one article calling Actiq a Perco pop, as if it was somehow related to percocet. Which is in an entirely different class of synthetic opiods and about 1/100th the strength of Fenatnyl "Aqtiq". But percopop sounds so much cooler just like calling meth synthetic Heroin or OxyContin , Hillbilly heroin. I like the articles that call it OxyCotton, , I'm waiting for OxySilk and Oxywool to come out.LOL Is that hand wash or machine dry?

There is no chemcical relation or drug class relation between methadone and heroin. Other than one being an opiate alkaloid and one being a purely synthetic opioid in the same family as Darvacet and levorphanol.

Using methadone , morphine or dilauadid is all the same except for the stigma of addiction to street heroin which methadone carries. So lets not make folks that have no other financial choice than using meth feel bad for having to take it. You understand the financial aspects of Lng acting meds and pain management right? 50 bucks worth of meth equates to 1000 bucks worth of OxyContin or MSContin

Methadone is not in the same family of opiates or opioids as heroin, It's chemical structure is no closer to heroin than hydrocodone. However Darvon or "Darvecet" is in the same family as meth only 1/100th the strength. So what meth is to Darvecet is about the same as what Heroin is to morphine, only not that much stronger. So we can just as easily say Darvecet, hydrocodone, oxycodone, oxymorphone, hydromorphone and morphine are all synthetic heroin, using the same parameters to call meth synthetic heroin.

There isn't a similarity in class, chemical structure of pharmokenetics. How can heroin addicts can go 24 hours betwen doses if meth is so related to heroin. How is heroin any closer to meth than to morphine, if anything Morphine is the closest chemically structured drug to heroin, they both are derived from opium and the only difference is the acetylation process to refine Heroin into a purer substance. So if your going to say Meth is synthetic heroin, your no more correct than saying, codeine is the same, morphine is the same, Hydromorphone, OxyMorphone, Oxycodone or hydrocodone are all just synthetic version of heroin.

Tinitus can be caused by Tylenol just as easy as opiates.

The half life of meth that's so unlike Heroin allows the user to dose once a day versus every 4 hours enabling them to function without the physical craving driving them towards each subsequent dose that will never be as good as their first. But meth just takes care of the physical part of dependency, It doesn't cure adiction or remove the reasons they would inject this drug in the first place.

Meth simply binds to enough similar receptors and has a long enough half life to change their dose interval from 4 hours to 24 hurs. No high, no harsh side effects of the opiates like vomitting after injestion, able to function, work and be productive, so it is not synthetic heroin.

One needs to understand the difference between addiction and simple physical dependence, esp. when the use of meds is likely motivated by wanting to simply continue to be able to care for one's children and live a normal life, not to get high.
Darvecet is not methadone, It's in the same class of synthetic opiates as methadone, Levorphanol and Darvon, it has some NMDA blocking ability as do the other synthetics in this class.

Meth is actually the ideal choice for RSD.

Live with that pain and you would learn the basic difference between addiction and Physical dependnece which is something we all have to deal with and trade for improved function and quality of life.

Using the same methods to call meth synthetic heroin, we could call all pain meds synthetic heroin or morphine. There is more than one class of synthetic opioids, there are 3, and only one class or true opiates. Those originally derived from opium.

Meth isn't heroin or synthetic heroin anymore than Darvecet or codeine are.

What is propoxyphene?

Structurally, it's a relative of the synthetic narcotic, methadone. It's prescribed in two forms-propoxyphene hydrochloride and propoxyphene napsylate-for relief of mild to moderate pain.

Aside from slight differences-the napsylate (or N-form) of propoxyphene is more slowly absorbed in the body and so has a longer duration of action-the two drugs are identical. Both are found in a number of prescription pain medications, including:

Darvon and Darvon-N (propoxyphene only)\
Darvon with A.S.A., Darvon-N with A.S.A. (with aspirin)
Darvocet, Darvocet-N, Wygesic (with acetaminophen)
Darvon Compound, Darvon Compound-65 (with aspirin and caffeine)
Propoxyphene is a very popular pain reliever, widely known as "Darvon", that is a centrally acting narcotic analgesic. Commercially, propoxyphene is usually combined with aspirin or some other simple pain killer in a single tablet or capsule. This drug, which is structurally similar to methadone, has been widely abused and is tightly controlled.

Would it matter how many more drug information pages I cut the excerpts from to expalin that Darvonn and meth are in the same class of opioids, no they are not the same drug, they are in the same family just like Morphine, Heroin, and codeine are in a family called Opiates, There are several other families.

The Keto opiates, Hydrocodone, OXycodone,Hydromorphone, Oxymorphone and another family,

The fentanyls, Fentanyl, Afentanyl, Suffentanyl , Carfentanyl and Demerol falls into this family.

But excepting there are seperate and distinct classes of opioids and opiate anelgesics would blow the whole theory of meth being synthetic heroin. Meth is no more synthetic heroin than Hydrocodone or demerol.

The only opioids structurely and pharmokeneticly related to Heroin are morphine and codeine and tincture of opium. But people wouldn't get the willies if you told them that Tylenol 3 is just synthetic Heroin only weaker.

NO it's not the same, It's in the same family of opiates that come from processing raw opium into codeine, morphne and Heroin.

However since 1979, all pharmacuetical opioids/opiates are synthesized including the naturally occuring Opiates like Morphine and codeine. Heroin is simply processed morphine.

Just like fuel oil,Kerosene, Deisel, Gas, jet fuel, lighter fluid etc all start out as crude oil and through the process of refinement different products can be exctracted from the original base material. But I don't go telling people there lighter fluid is just synthetic crude oil, because that's not accurate.


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