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and as far as looks, how you act determines how people think about the way you look. It sounds lame, and like b.s., but it's true.

When i say I'm hot, people believe me. When i say I'm ugly, people believe me. It's all about presentation.

Think about all the ugly famous people that we label as attractive.

And look at Donald Trump. UGLY---but name a woman that wouldn't like him! He takes care of his appearance and acts like he is the greatest, so who wouldn't want to be around that positivity? It's a major turn on.

If you are clean, and your clothes are clean, it's really hard to be ugly. REALLY hard. I'm telling u, this works!
God doesn't make ugly. I found that out. I didn't consider myself attractive either but there are people out there who will and do think I am. You will find that person. The only thing that can make a person ugly is their personality...selfishness, greed, and being so full of themselves that they cannot think of other people. People who are mean to others are ugly. Finding the right person takes time but you will find her. She is out there. :D
I truly believe that women are more picky than men. Men get a bad rap. True they are visual. But women are even more superficial when it comes to looks. Men will be attracted to most women just because they are women. There is no mystery. Even if a woman is average or homely even....most men will find a woman attractive just because she is a woman. If a woman has even one physical attribute, most men will find her sexy. But the opposite is not true for women. They put much more importance on the way a man looks facially than men do. Women only go weak in the knees for truely model perfect, men with chiseled faces. If a man is ugly or even average...unless he has money or power...MOST women won't find him attractive at all. "Nice Guy" is code for average or ugly. Men truly get a bad rap for being shallow when it comes to looks....but I truly believe men are much more accepting and easy to find more women attractive. While women are much more picky and perfectionist. And not only about looks. But money and career too. There is so much pressure on men. Women have the power sexually. At least until a certain age. Men don't want models. That is a fallacy. Women and gay men control the fashion industry, and put pressure on themselves. Sadly most women try to land the "hot guy" when they are young. As they get older, they try to land the "rich AND hot guy". Then they just try for the "rich guy"....and lastly, they regret the funny nice average guys they ignored all those years ago. Tragic. :-)
Talking generally? Physically what do men and women find beautiful? Of course this varies and everyone has their own likes and dislikes....but I have a theory.

Underneath it all, on a purely physical level I believe that women are attracted to handsome male faces, and men are more attracted to female bodies.

Think about it. Men will look at and be attracted to an average or even ugly woman with a nice body. While for a woman to consider a man HOT, he has to have a handsome face. Even an average or ugly guy with a GREAT body won't be considered HOT by women in general.

I think this is the big difference between men and women on a physical level. I wish it was the other way around. Because you can change a body by working out, but you are kinda stuck with your face. So in that regard, women have it ALOT easier. Men are far less picky. While women are MUCH more picky.

I know this seems opposite of what is normally believed. Men get a bad rap for being shallow. But women are even more so.

Again think about it. If a woman has ONE nice bodily feature, or works out...MEN will think she is HOT. That is a huge boost in her ego, and women do have an easy power over men. I truly believe that the pressure women feel is not from men. This is a lie. I believe women put pressure on other women. They compete and cause their own pain.

While men are stuck with the face they are given. If they are average or ugly...they can work out all they want. They can have an olympic athletes body, and they will never be looked at as HOT by women in general. The ONLY way to make women look at them differently would be if they were rich or famous. But take away that fame or money, and they'd go back to being average joes.

THIS is the big difference between men and women. An average or even ugly woman who has a nice body will be LUSTED after. So in this way, women have it alot easier. Men in general will pay them attention and consider them HOT and SEXY. They don't need to be rich or famous. Something as simple as a nice body, boobs, butt or legs will get a woman noticed.

Most Women have this INCREDIBLE power over men. Their enemy is not men. The only thing they fear is getting older. Age slowly takes their sexual power away. Many women blame men for then being shallow(only wanting young women). But for most of their young lives they had SUPREME power over men. Men are the ones who faced rejection, pain and suffering. So to suddenly loose that power, many women blame men. I think this is unfair. I think the happiest women are the ones who treat men nicely and don't abuse their sexual power when they are younger. That way when they get older, they won't feel bad when their sexual power begins to fade.
The best thing that you can do is to study hard in school and in college and get a high-paying job. I've seen some truly ugly men with beautiful women as wives because they have a stable high-paying job.

There was this guy in high school who was always trying to get me to go out with him. He was short, a little overweight, orange hair, freckles, fair skin. I never wanted to be anything more than friends. He got scholarships from several different organizations. He was highly honored at our high school graduation ceremony. He went to GA Tech and became an engineer.

I saw him a few years ago at a funeral. He has a gorgeous wife. A young blonde bombshell. I was shocked! He has two gorgeous children. I hope that he felt vidicated, he deserved it.
[QUOTE=dobedobedo;3103364] While for a woman to consider a man HOT, he has to have a handsome face. Even an average or ugly guy with a GREAT body won't be considered HOT by women in general.[/QUOTE]

Yes. I totally agree. Everybody makes the false assumption that a guy who shaves his head is hot to women if he has confidence, etc, is clean cut yada yad yada,

BUT, that's assuming he looks good that way! If he's got an ugly face (crooked nose, etc ) women will not find him attractive. And w/o the "initial physical attraction" that most women require, they will have no interest in this type of guy.

[QUOTE=dobedobedo;3103364]Because you can change a body by working out, but you are kinda stuck with your face. So in that regard, women have it ALOT easier. Men are far less picky. While women are MUCH more picky.

I know this seems opposite of what is normally believed.
Men get a bad rap for being shallow. But women are even more so.[/QUOTE]

This is true as well. All women have to do is go to the gym, watch their diet, etc... and they seem to get much more oppurtunities in life. It seems as if everything just "comes to them" They have freinds, meet sexual partners, etc. The same is NOT true for men who go to the gym, watch their diet, take care of themselves, etc...


[QUOTE=dobedobedo;3103364]While men are stuck with the face they are given. If they are average or ugly...they can work out all they want. They can have an olympic athletes body, and they will never be looked at as HOT by women in general. The ONLY way to make women look at them differently would be if they were rich or famous. But take away that fame or money, and they'd go back to being average joes.

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Again, I agree with this. I am one of those ugly guys that is bald, shave my head, work out regularly, I'm very clean cut, confident, wear nice sharp clothes, have a good career, etc. But, I have crooked nose, and a weird shaped face and head, and scars on my scalp. I'm a very ugly guy from the shoulders up.

Women always reject me if I ask them out, and they NEVER notice me - I always have to get their attention. Then, they act "annoyed" because a loser such as myself is trying to talk to them. Anyways, I'm confident, I smile at them, I say interesting things to them and some even laugh, etc.

But, they are NEVER interested. Women never want to go out with me - even if i'm friends with them first for years, they never, ever want to hook up. I havn't had a date in 15 years!

They always give me the "i'm sorry, but I have a boyfriend" routine. Or, "I'm married" - but I look at their hand and they're never wearing a wedding ring!

Other guys think i'm gay, because i'm never with a women on a date. I have to pay $$, to get any ... - you get the idea.

A few times a couple of my friends and relatives have tried to hook me up on "blind dates" But, the women run away and refuse to go on the date before it even starts (as soon as they see me), or they will deny the invitation once they see a picture of my face (after initially accepting it).

Its very sad and lonely to be me. But, its like one previous poster said, I'll have to live this way for the rest of my life. :(
I realize this is an old thread, but I wanted to add my $.02
I've also struggled with this problem my entire life. I'm clean and fit...I have good hygiene (shower daily, brush my teeth, use deodorant, wear clean clothes, ect.) I'm in excellent physical shape..tall, blue eyes, lean, muscular and toned. Although it has thinned slightly with age I still have a full head of hair. But, no matter how well groomed I am and how nicely I dress there's nothing short of plastic surgery or a full face transplant than can fix my appearance. I don't need anyone to tell me I have a face only a mother could love...its rather obvious to most people including myself. No matter how much effort I put into my apperance to make up for what I lack it doesn't matter...I'm all but invisible to women. I've never once been approached or flirted with by the opposite sex and I've been called ugly and rejected enough times both in real life and on dating sites to know that looks DO matter.

Several years ago I did an experiment on a free dating site. I created two identical profiles using the exact same message content and attached pictures to both of them. On one profile I used a photo of myself, a good picture in which I was smiling and well dressed. In the other profile I used a picture I swiped off of hotornot.com of a young attractive man. I changed the location on each profile so they both wouldn't show up under the same search results, but I placed each one in a large metropolitan area with similar populations. I left both profiles up for two weeks. During that time I recieved zero replies on my profile, while the fake one got over a dozen messages. The results of my experiment were hardly surprising.





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