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Re: At risk?
Nov 11, 2004
Strange beliefs alone do not make someone schizophrenic. There are plenty of 'sane' people who believe, with very earnest conviction, that there are 'more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of' in our philosophy. Many normal and succesful people believe in such things as alien abductions, astrology, psychic communication, reincarnation, astral projection, ghosts, and various convoluted anti-semitic conspiracy theories.

The real warning signs for schizophrenia are some or all of the following (I quote from an academic outline): Reduced concentration and attention; Reduced drive and motivation; anergia; Sleep disturbance; Anxiety; Social withdrawal; Suspiciousness; Deterioration in role functioning; Irritability; Sudden eccentric behavior; Poor hygiene and poor grooming; Blunted emotions; Disturbances in ability to communicate.

These signs make up the pre-psychotic 'prodromal phase,' which you might have read about already but if not I'm sure that by typing 'prodromal schizophrenia' into a search engine you will find a better definition than I can provide.
Re: At risk?
Nov 12, 2004
[QUOTE=nicolas]Strange beliefs alone do not make someone schizophrenic. There are plenty of 'sane' people who believe, with very earnest conviction, that there are 'more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of' in our philosophy. Many normal and succesful people believe in such things as alien abductions, astrology, psychic communication, reincarnation, astral projection, ghosts, and various convoluted anti-semitic conspiracy theories.

The real warning signs for schizophrenia are some or all of the following (I quote from an academic outline): Reduced concentration and attention; Reduced drive and motivation; anergia; Sleep disturbance; Anxiety; Social withdrawal; Suspiciousness; Deterioration in role functioning; Irritability; Sudden eccentric behavior; Poor hygiene and poor grooming; Blunted emotions; Disturbances in ability to communicate.

These signs make up the pre-psychotic 'prodromal phase,' which you might have read about already but if not I'm sure that by typing 'prodromal schizophrenia' into a search engine you will find a better definition than I can provide.[/QUOTE]

hello, this is very interesting as it sounds like my sypmtoms right now. What is the pre-domol phase, if you don't mind me asking?
Is that like pre-schizophrenia? Is one at risk for developing schizophrenia with these symptoms ?
I know you are probally not a doctor, but I am so curious as this means are just showing symtoms or if it's the first stage of schizophrenia. Thank you so much for sharing the above knowledge very interesting- it answered some of the question in my thread "feeling bad-doctor wants me to take abilfy"
Re: At risk?
Mar 7, 2005
[QUOTE=Blue102]I'm not schizophrenic, but psychology fascinates me. I have a question: how can you tell if you are at risk for this disorder? [/quote]
You can't.
At the moment, all you can do is 'guess'. There are some signs that are hypothesized to put someone at risk of developing Schizophrenia; A Schizotypal personality, evidence of being in a 'prodromal phase', abuse of certain drugs as an adolescent, and some genealogical clues which can help in the guessing process. However, even if your identical twin is to become a Schizophrenic later in life you only have a 48% chance of becoming one too. Less if one of parents is Schizophrenic, even less if it's your aunt, etc.
A lot of people with a schizotypal personality don't develop Schizophrenia, and even less people that have a history of drug abuse do.

A consolidation is that Schizophrenia seems to be present in 'Genius' families.
Einstein's schizophrenic son being an overly-used example.

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Thinking back, when I was a little girl I was kind of strange. I remember believing for some reason that I was reincarnated and had some memories of my past life, which I can't recall now. I always assumed it was my imagination, but I was only about five at the time. I had a crazy imagination. I obsessed over the weirdest things, like reflectors in the road. When I was a little older, about thirteen, I remember writing a paper telling my teacher that I had seen my guardian angel crouching in a corner in my house as a child. I remember believing myself at the time I wrote it. I remember also thinking that people were spying on me through the wall in the bathroom, through a hole I couldn't see; that my dad could read my mind; that the gifted program I was in was really some big experiment and I was a guinea pig. I don't know if I ever really believed these things for any significant amount of time. In high school, things got even weirder. I truly believed that God was speaking to me through signs and music. I kept a huge notebook full of what I thought was 'profound insight' given to me by God or something. I also had severe social anxiety. I believed people were always talking about me (when actually they weren't.) The wierdest thing is, I felt really psychic for a while. My sister and I would play these little mind reading games, but then she stopped playing them with me because my accuracy weirded her out! ("What's my crush's middle name?" "C...Clark?" Right.) There's a lot of other things like this I could recount. When I was 14 I was put on SSRIs for anxiety and depression, and I've been 'normal' ever since.

So my question is, should these things cause me to think I'm at risk for a psychotic disorder, or was I just a weird kid growing up? I've never done drugs other than a puff or two of pot. My first cousin is schizophrenic, but supposedly it's from doing drugs. Any opinions?[/QUOTE]

I'm not a psychiatrist, for all intents and purposes I know nothing about psychology, however, what you're describing strikes me, personally, as a classical example of [b]Schizotypal Personality Disorder[/b]. Schizophrenia itself is rare in children, infact some believe it does not even exist in this age-group and all examples in literature in the form of case studies actually describe misdiagnosed forms of secondary Schizophrenia, due to an organic brain syndrome or nutritional disorder (Such as Frontotemporal Seizures or vitamin B12 deficiency). I tend to agree with that asessment.

There's no reason to think that any sign of Schizotypy in someone's personality as a child will immediatly result in Chronic Schizophrenia as an adult.

[quote]
hello, this is very interesting as it sounds like my sypmtoms right now. What is the pre-domol phase, if you don't mind me asking?
Is that like pre-schizophrenia? Is one at risk for developing schizophrenia with these symptoms"[/quote]

The notion of a prodromal phase in Schizophrenia is something relatively new.
It is now thought that before the onset of a first psychotic episode, the patient shows a steady decline in cognitive and social functioning. In the past, cognitive and social dysfunction in Schizophrenia were blamed on active delusions and hallucinations hamperring with a patients' concentration, and causing the social withdrawal seen in the majority of the cases. Today, Psychiatrists mostly agree that these symptoms (Social withdrawal, cognitive dysfunction, anhedonia, apathy, ...) called the 'negative' symptoms of schizophrenia, do not always occur during the active phase of Schizophrenia, but may even be present before the onset of the first episode.





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