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Hello all. I came here to ask if I may have schizophrenia. The reason I ask is because I have this thing with constantly being alone and never being able to reasonably sustain an everyday conversation past the first few words of "hello." and "how are you doing?" and that all fun stuff, and my efforts in making chit-chat online at a teenage-based website(They have adults near my age as well, being at 18 going on 19) seemed equally prone to failure. Also I can't reasonably seem to carry an ordinary everyday conversation if my life depended on it, and I've been called "squirrely" or "eccentric" in the past, so I'm thinking schizoprhrenia may be a valid explanation. The only other explanation that could explain any of it may be moderate giftedness but I doubt giftedness in itself could be causing these problems of isolation and my ostensibly inability to carry on a decent conversation as my IQ score, at the highest, has been only 143 with my more reliable scores from more reliable tests have ranged around the 130-139 range which I don't think is high enough to cause the problems I'm experiencing. I mean... I only got a 1400 on the SAT's, and in the top 1 percentile on the ASVAB's AFQT measure, and scored in the 134 IQ range as a child on the OLSAT(otis lennon scholastic ability test) with subsections scores of a verbal score of 125, and a nonverbal score of 141. So I don't believe it's too high to cause any serious problems in itself.

(On a side note: I believe my lower verbal score may be indicative of not having a word/book-enriched environment when I was younger, so my actual overall IQ(Defining it as "Problem solving ability", not just vocabulary knowledge as was one of the major subsections of the OLSAT) is just a little higher than that(Probably a 137 or 138).)

So anyhowz... I don't know if I have schizophrenia or not, or what exactly is going on. I've been thinking it could of been depression, aspergers, or schizoid personality disorder, or schizophrenia but I've effectively crossed out every single one of those due to other features.

It couldn't be depression because even depressed people can carry on a decent conversation. It couldn't be asperger's as I think I respond pretty well and am able to lie to gain an advantage and woman do respond quite well to me(which is not something that would happen at ALL for an Aspergers patient since aspergers patients have troubles with social cues therefore being completely socially awkward). It couldn't be schizoid personaly as I think I am able to express a wide variety of facial expressions which is something that a schizoid cannot do due to flat affectivity. And at this point, I doubt I do have COMPLETE schizophrenia at this point(it may develop later on as I'm only 18) since I'm not hallucinating or hearing voices or false sounds - But even though I don't have those key-features at this point in time, I believe my speech may be tangential, off-the-wall, and not completely coherent which may be a serious indicator of prodromal schizophrenia(the period right before the onset of full-blown schizophrenia).

So anyways... I'll leave you with this post to see if anyone can determine anything. Here's an email message I was about to send to my friend that I haven't spoken to in a LOOOOOONG time so that you can get a gist of how I talk/write in a casual setting so that you someone might pick up on speech abnomalies. :) Thank you.


MY LETTER TO A FRIEND

" Hey, sloth-like lethargic technologically adept-user with a penchant for anime and sci-fi genres.. JASON! How are you doing MON?(the midletter with a lower-case pronunciation was my intended affect :)

Here everything is so blase and academia is passing by kind of quickly, and it's been sort of just like existing in an ennui while passively contemplating existential issues, ideas, and philosophies while sporadically going into spurts of howework related activity which usually is about just finishing some assignment that for the most part seems somewhat redundant(It's clear the teachers believe it's for the good of mastering a certain skill, but I don't know.... It all seems too easy and most of the concepts can be grasped almost immediately. :/).

Hey the reason why I'm emailing you is because it's been such a longtime since I've emailed you. Tell me what's been going on and possibly what books you've recently decided to endeavour reading. Here, the most substantial reading pleasures have been the ever-expansive and equally ever-trivial site of everything2. Have you heard of it?

On a side note(like I never have enough of those): I was crawling around the web and I came across the dictionary meant for understanding everyday colloquilisms. Upon the tangent of thinking of Googling someone's name for "information seeking purposes" *cough*stalking*cough*... I wondered what treasures this dictionary could of held for the same purpose(searching someone's name). It turns out this certain online dictionary has your first name(but not mine) as one of the definitions. Check out it out at urbandictionary.com for the definiton. I think you might be somewhat shocked/surprised or ,more likely, expecting a definition such as that provided for your name. I'm surprised your name has so many popular uses that is used by the urban masses.

Anyways.. reply back soon


UPDATE: 15 people have viewed this but yet no one's responded, while there are at least 3 threads above this that have been replied since I've posted this to Meaning: People are actively ignoring this. Maybe I do have schizophrenia? Schizophrenics usually are ignored because they're "crazy" or incoherent.
First off - I'm a guy. :) There's no such thing as PMSing in this gender. Perhaps a male-version of it, maybe.

Ah... This is where my social "idiocy" or how you define "idiocy" becomes all too apparent. You state that I haven't stated any symptoms of schizophrenia, however if you look closely in my first post...

"my speech may be tangential, off-the-wall, and not completely coherent"

Which indeed is a sign of schizophrenia. If you do not know what that is, let me spell it out. I say something and then you reply. Usually in a normal case, a person replies with something that is at least somewhat of a logical continuation of what the second person said. Instead, with tangential thinking(which is a sign of schizophrenia), the person goes off on a tangent that is completely irrelevant to the point at hand or does not address the point at all. As you may see - I did not address the point that you had brought up("that I had not presented any symptoms of schizohprenia") even though originally I intended to with my second post.

Also consider the fact that I have a hard time carrying on a conversation past the second volley; I'm not saying that a sign OF schizophrenia, but if I did, then it would surely explain that.

Also consider the fact that despite my high IQ score of 130, I have clearly not shown the "intelligence" of someone of such a high score, but in your mind, rather idiocy which kind of agrees with other observations in real life. To other people that have no idea of my score, they do think of me as an idiot. They don't come out and overtly say it, but in the interactions with others and hearing myself speaking out in class, It is all so obvious. And a normal person with a IQ as high as mine wouldn't have these problems(which I believe stem off incoherent thinking[SEE: ABOVE]), so therefore their is something else at play. This was the intent of posting my IQ scores - I wasn't purposely trying to be a stuck-up intellectual prude(pseudointellectual) or just to seem "smart" which it appears you took it as suggested by your statement :) - "All I saw was you using larger words that your vocabulary could comprehend, telling us every damn IQ score you ever recieved"

Also, back in highschool, I was considered "really weird", and people would whisper that rather loudly while I was speaking to the teacher, and others around the campus said "you're crazy"(and that I talk never talked in a direct way with people, instead I beat around the bush....i.e. tangential) and "you're really weird" while at the same time being universally ignored by everyone. Now if that's not a blaring obvious sign of SOMETHING at play, than I don't know what it is. Having identified the key features that make people think that[see: tangential thinking, incoherency, and SLOWNESS], it aligns itself most closely with a schizo-range disorder - And knowing that the age of onset is usually 15-25, with a large cluster forming it at 18+, makes me think... hmmm... If all my observations are correct, then I may be soon going onto the onset.

Also considering at the time when I took the IQ test as a child, the proctor had suggested two things to my mother - "At these high IQ scores, the child would either grow to be bum or a stellar performer[in whatever field the child pursued]", and considering with my current ensemble(being unkempt) and my current self-beliefs, it seems I'm heading down the former road. And many bums are actually schizophrenic(well, that's definitely the "bum" stereotype in our society)

Also - I'm highly interested in religion and philosophical issues - It's said that many schizophrenics before the onset are interested in the same things(in fact it becomes an "obsessive focus"), so maybe.. just maybe... it is a sign. I'm not saying IT IS one, but the possibility is there, and in conjunction with all these other features, the possibility of it being a sign of schizophrenia jumps rather highly.

And also see now - Lo and behold - there is the symptom of schizophrenia that you had missed, and indeed working off that assumption that their were no stated symptoms, you have mislabeled me and instead produced a rather insulting posts. But even with that, I thank you, for it is an unbiased view from an independant observer - which surely is better than anything coming from this undoubtedly distorted perception.

^^^^hehe... more tangential thinking, indeed. :D
About the weather storm ability - I think that you very well could of actually detected the storm and "had the ability"(Though it's not fool-proof). Many animals have the same ability, and humans aren't too far removed from many of the animals that have that ability on the evolutionary tree. On a thought, have you heard of Howard Gardner's Multiple intelligences - He proposes that their are many areas in which a person can be smart, and one of the classifications he proposed later on in his career is "Natural intelligence" or being aware of nature and your natural environment(plant and animal life). So you probably are "smart" in the "nature intelligence category".

To defend myself against many of the posts that saw previously to this - I am not purposely trying to convince everybody that I have schizophrenia. I was mainly trying to point out evidence and other features that I thought may of been relevant that some users had missed which, in my opinion, may of been important in forming a valid opinion. SuchGreatHeights - Thank you for your post. I have read it, and I wasn't purposely trying to ruffle your feathers but rather just point out certain things(thought I may of talked in a way that was upset - in which case I apologise). I understand where you're coming from and will seek out professional attention when the opportunity presents itself. ALSO in note to your posts: Yes, I have considered those possibilities. I think a perceptive person may of understood that I had considered those possibilities if they had entirely read my post, but alas - that didn't obviously didn't get through(Possibly bad communication on my part). I believe I said something along the lines that "yes, I recognize that these symptoms are not nessecarly indicative of schizophrenia when looked at individually and could be indicative of something else, but it seems unlikely that all these certain features would be grouped together in one person without a singular cause that would cause all these different things. Yes, a person could just possibly be eccentric and that could explain "eccentricities", and yes a person could just be a loner and that could explain "social difficulties", but to have all those things present without a single underlying cause seems unlikely. This single cause I suspect may be a sort of mental disorder, such as schizophrenia - or maybe it could just be something like a social anxiety in combination with advanced cognitive abilities. NOTE: I'm not looking JUST for a label, but just for a valid explanation.

Anyhow, thank for your suggestions on possible other diagnosis's but I doubt I have aspergers for the following reasons. Note - I'm not doing this in anyway to prove that I must have some "schizophrenia" by default of not having everything else or just certain disorders, but rather showing that that conclusion is highly doubtful.

1. The asperger's disorder is classified as a nonverbal learning disabilty. Symptoms typically include only being to think logically and in steps, and missing "the bigger picture". Likewise this shows on certain abilities test. Being a nonverbal disability, an asperger's "nonverbal reasoning" score is usually pretty low and definitely lower than their verbal reasoning score(which means they talk a lot better and think a lot more logically, then how they are able to "picture" things and get the full picture of how something works). Well, My nonverbal reasoning score was about 16 points higher than my verbal reasoning score when I took the OLSAT test at 11.8 years old. That is in stark contrast to a typical asperger's individual whose verbal score is almost always higher than the nonverbal score.(and in fact - an asperger's nonverbal score is very often below average, and if not below average - then it virtually never exceeds normal levels - but mine was near-genius levels.)

2. Aspergers usually start speaking at a young age and are usually precocious. The vocabulary is typically advanced for an asperger's person and an asperger person's speech is usually quite voluminous at an early age. That is in very different picture from my own speech development. I was a bit verbally-delayed and in fact I was suspected to have a sort of speech disorder. This meant I didn't speak in class when everybody else could, and I was unusually quiet and didn't really have the ability to talk when almost everyone else did.(This was actually very frustrating since my ability to think was well-developed, however that was hindered by the fact it was unusually difficult to communicate my thoughts. Throughout my development, the difficulty in talking to others accumulated over the years and I practically resigned to keeping to myself. Consequently,(I suspect) my ability to relate to others dropped drastically and I can't as easily communicate as the average person my age. This infact undoubtely contributes to my appearance of "stupidity".). Consider the fact that my verbal reasoning score was much less than my nonverbal reasoning score, and you have the whole conflicting feature where verbal ability should be the highest ability.

And asperger's usually talk in a "rote" way or remember key phrases and use them in speech. Their is hardly any novelty to what an apserger's person says. I believe that my speech does not actually follow strict speech patterns that would follow someone with aspergers. While yes, I do think that my speech patterns may be idiosyncratic, I don't think that idiosyncracy could be explained by an autism-range disorder where speech is definitely not just following some rigid "rote" formula. At least looking at my writing, I don't see that.

What could explain my difficulties - the INTP lifestyle along with giftedness, and possible social anxiety having developed since childhood due to speech and likewise social difficulties.

But in light of these conflicting features of aspergers, I'll outline some possibilities that support that conclusion. Number 1, social awkwardness. Number 2, extreme social difficulties and as my sister said "social blindness". Number 3, almost constantly being misunderstood and almost always misunderstanding what others mean. These two in combination often result in extreme frustration thus leading to complete withdrawal from even trying to talk with others. Number 4, Idiosyncratic speech(though argued against as lead to above). Number 5, almost always getting an unexpected responses from people. When I try to help people out with something, I somewhere along the lines end up insulting people when I didn't quite mean to or just being "mean" even though I don't purposely try to insult anyone. Also, people often seem to take what I say in a very different way than what I mean it. An example of this was in calculus class(this just happened very recently). The teacher was explaining odd functions and stuff, and I asked how "How do you know the function is odd?"... and she referenced to "well, you should of learned trignometric identities back in trig class" making it seemed I DIDN'T know something that should of been learned in a class way before calculus, making it seem like I was "stupid".(When she explained this should of been learned in a very early class way before calculus implying I was 'stupid' and feeling that I couldn't adequately defend myself I simply desisted.) Instead, what I meant was "how do you know it's like that?" but it seemed she, nor the class, took it that way - instead they took it as if I hadn't learned about it and didn't know trig identities[when I did] and seemed completely idiotic in these regards.

Anyhows that's about it.

And gatsbylurver - are you ok? I understand that you may have OCD and have eccentricities, but are you sure that you have aspergers? o_0' - It just seems strange that you say that when you can often talk and communicate with others on the forums very well, and aspergers individuals typically can't. Another feature missing from aspergers is sympathising, and likewise empathy. You seem to be empathetic as indicated by people who "missed you" on the OCD forums and clearly valued you. This evidently shows that you are empathetic, which is the key ingredient nessecary to forming "relationships" and getting people to like you(as in a "friend" or "helping" type of way) as it allows you to relate with others. Because OCD forumer's value you, I think that you empathetic, and since you seem to communicate that empathy very well - you have people on the OCD forum who value you, and since aspergers individuals have a hard time expressing empathy - I seriously doubt that you have aspergers. I could be wrong though..... Have you seen a therapist or a diagnostician about it?

(Took about an hour - 2 hours to write(probably more like an little under an hour) - I typically write and talk slowly... Much slower than I did when I was young)
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1. The asperger's disorder is classified as a nonverbal learning disabilty. Symptoms typically include only being to think logically and in steps, and missing "the bigger picture". Likewise this shows on certain abilities test. Being a nonverbal disability, an asperger's "nonverbal reasoning" score is usually pretty low and definitely lower than their verbal reasoning score(which means they talk a lot better and think a lot more logically, then how they are able to "picture" things and get the full picture of how something works). Well, My nonverbal reasoning score was about 16 points higher than my verbal reasoning score when I took the OLSAT test at 11.8 years old. That is in stark contrast to a typical asperger's individual whose verbal score is almost always higher than the nonverbal score.(and in fact - an asperger's nonverbal score is very often below average, and if not below average - then it virtually never exceeds normal levels - but mine was near-genius levels.)

2. Aspergers usually start speaking at a young age and are usually precocious. The vocabulary is typically advanced for an asperger's person and an asperger person's speech is usually quite voluminous at an early age. That is in very different picture from my own speech development. I was a bit verbally-delayed and in fact I was suspected to have a sort of speech disorder. This meant I didn't speak in class when everybody else could, and I was unusually quiet and didn't really have the ability to talk when almost everyone else did.(This was actually very frustrating since my ability to think was well-developed, however that was hindered by the fact it was unusually difficult to communicate my thoughts. Throughout my development, the difficulty in talking to others accumulated over the years and I practically resigned to keeping to myself. Consequently,(I suspect) my ability to relate to others dropped drastically and I can't as easily communicate as the average person my age. This infact undoubtely contributes to my appearance of "stupidity".). Consider the fact that my verbal reasoning score was much less than my nonverbal reasoning score, and you have the whole conflicting feature where verbal ability should be the highest ability.

And asperger's usually talk in a "rote" way or remember key phrases and use them in speech. Their is hardly any novelty to what an apserger's person says. I believe that my speech does not actually follow strict speech patterns that would follow someone with aspergers. While yes, I do think that my speech patterns may be idiosyncratic, I don't think that idiosyncracy could be explained by an autism-range disorder where speech is definitely not just following some rigid "rote" formula. At least looking at my writing, I don't see that.

And gatsbylurver - are you ok? I understand that you may have OCD and have eccentricities, but are you sure that you have aspergers? o_0' - It just seems strange that you say that when you can often talk and communicate with others on the forums very well, and aspergers individuals typically can't. Another feature missing from aspergers is sympathising, and likewise empathy. You seem to be empathetic as indicated by people who "missed you" on the OCD forums and clearly valued you. This evidently shows that you are empathetic, which is the key ingredient nessecary to forming "relationships" and getting people to like you(as in a "friend" or "helping" type of way) as it allows you to relate with others. Because OCD forumer's value you, I think that you empathetic, and since you seem to communicate that empathy very well - you have people on the OCD forum who value you, and since aspergers individuals have a hard time expressing empathy - I seriously doubt that you have aspergers. I could be wrong though..... Have you seen a therapist or a diagnostician about it?
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Hey, curiouskittie. Everything that you listed, numbers 1-3, are things I do, especially the precocious verbosity, rote memorization, and nonverbal learning disabilities. (I've always struggled with math and abstractions.) I know that I don't have full-blown Asperger's like I have full-blown OCD, but my therapist was actually the one who brought up the topic once again. We were talking, and she was describing several Asperger's teens she knows, and everything was me. I brought up the whole empathy/talkativeness thing, and she said that in the people she knows, the obsessive fixations are the main symptom. God knows I have obsessive fixations! ;) I believe that my high amount of empathy is due to the OCD- never wanting to hurt anyone's feelings, being afraid that God will punish me for a bad thought, etc., but concerning the communication issue, you've never seen me try to connect with people who I don't have a connection with! lol! :D I have always been "different" and isolated from my peers, ever since I was a young child. I have few friends here at my college, and this is due to the fact that I can't find anyone who feels the same way I do. I connect far more with the professors, who are my good friends, because they are as passionate about learning as I am. It's difficult for me to make anything more than mere acquaintances when all most kids care about is drinking, partying, and acting silly. They're here simply to get their diploma. Sure they study and make good grades, but they just go through the motions. Understandably, for someone like me, whose eyes literally light up at the mention of American history, chemistry, and anatomy, I can't relate to them; I spend most of my time alone, which is the way I like it. I hate being around people and I need my space. Classic Asperger's-ness. I'm not one of these people who feels "lonely" because they have few friends (all of my friends were made in high school, where everyone was a nerd like me)- I honestly couldn't care less. The only time it's hard is when nobody understands how I feel and I feel ostracized at times when it's painfully obvious that I'm very different, but most of the time, I embrace my eccentricities. However, who wouldn't feel isolated when they are the only ones who gets excited over going to chem class while the rest are sitting there bored to tears. For further evidence, my chem professor, who I'm pretty close with, and is one of about two people here who I can connect with, has a ten-year-old daughter with Asperger's, and when I was unable to get him at first for this semester (thank God I did), and I had a breakdown because I needed sameness and he's the only thing that makes my day enjoyable, my mom called him and told him about my OCD, prompting him to tell her about his daughter. He actually told my mother that "he sees a lot of [me] in [his] daughter". This cracked me up because I had never told him anything about my disorders, so it must be pretty damn obvious that I'm an obsessive-compulsive with Asperger's traits! I could go on and on as to why I'm pretty much positive that I have Asperger's, but I have to go get a shower, something I do only out of necessity- one of my many sensory issues is an abhorrance of being wet... I've been toying with the idea almost as long as I toyed with the possibility of me having OCD. I turned out to be right on that account and I know I'm right on this one, too. I go to my CBT on Thursday, where my therapist and I are trying to untangle my Asperger's obsessions and compulsions from my OCD. Talk to you soon! :angel:
-GatsbyLuvr1920-
[QUOTE=GatsbyLuvr1920]It's nice to know that someone else felt the same way. (Thanks for the compliment on my name, by the way! F. Scott Fitzgerald is the master of literature, as my English teacher used to say... :D ) I only used the word "gifted" because that's what the book was about; I don't know if I'm "gifted" or not. I agree with you that we can't rate our own intelligence. I'll let you guys know more tomorrow after my CBT session, and yes, I have a tough time keeping up with the speed of my thoughts (especially while I'm obsessing), too! :angel:
-GatsbyLuvr1920-[/QUOTE]

I agree as well, that you can't RELIABLY rate your own intelligence - but you can get a pretty good estimate at what you are and aren't good at, and know what areas you are "smart" at and "not so smart"(Though there's vast room for under-estimating yourself) - which I don't think is a direct estimate of your intelligence but rather your own competencies, which can reliably rated.

Another use of intelligence is using it as a relative term which depends on others and the context. If a 130 IQ person was being compared to a 70 IQ person in an academic setting, then I think you might consider the 130 IQ person the more intelligent one since IQ has more to do with academic intelligence. But comparing a horribly skilled 130 IQ farmer, with a excellently-skilled 70 IQ farmer than in the realm of "farming" you might find the 70 IQ guy to be the smart one.(and IQ is used as a measurement abritrarily).

However - You can look at intelligence objectively in only certain senses and test it - thus psychometric tests such as IQ testing abounds and thus you can compare yourself to others reliably in those senses alone. Also others can comment on your general intelligence, so you can get a good idea of your own "intelligence" - though not nessecarily self-rate it.
Thank you all for your replies, you don't really know how grateful I've been. :)

As for an UPDATE: I went to see a graduate psychometrist for some extended 3 battery test testing that should of picked up certain symptoms of schizophrenia, or at least it should of shown up on the psychometrist's radar, and the only thing that came up was something like "racing thoughts" and "bizarre and strange thoughts". Those two results were later confounded when she found that my WAIS-IQ was between 140-150, or 145 which theoretically means I scored higher than 99.8% of the population on this test[Though it loses it's accuracy at the extrema] which she then ascribed these two symptoms to "extreme intelligence". But this findiing is even murked by the posited link between extreme intelligence(extremely HIGh and extremely LOW intellect) which several studies have showed a higher general incidence of schizophrenia at high IQ scores, so these two previous symptoms could be because I just simply think too much, or I'm actually developing schizophrenia which is a real possibility for my IQ range. So these findings kind of make it a whole lot harder to tell what's what and what's happening BECAUSE OF WHAT.

She also stated that I may have memory impairment after she administered the Memory test and compared it to the IQ score, but I didn't really get all the details on this as the university keeps this information as UNavailible as possible and she didn't want to elaborate because then the University would be at more legal risk. That may of be of important, maybe not. After reading the literature on the Memory scale(I've researched it), there's a suggestion by other researchers that Memory-IQ discrepency found "memory impairments" May be acquired over someone's lifetime - So this could be a recent development. If I remember right, schizophrenia usually entails faulty memory which causes a loss in concetration which allows random meaningfully-insignicant thoughts to pass through the schizophrenic's mind, which causes the tangentiality and also schizophrenia usually develops near the time around the adults(Plus or minus 5-10 years) which I believe means that this memory-deficit must of increased over the schizophrenic's lifespan; If I've recently acquired this memory-deficit, then that suggests that some neurodegenerative disorder is at play: But the psychometrist didn't really clarify to the degree of this "memory-impairment" nor how common my degree of "memory impairment" was within my IQ range or a slightly lower IQ range(Since I think my measured IQ was actually too high), so that may be unfounded speculation.

But for some reason, I don't feel that intelligent nor do my university Test Grades really support that IQ score; I usually always score below the class's average on the tests, even though I've studied comparably the same amount as my peers. So I think my WAIS IQ score was a fluke, and she falsely attributed the previous two symptoms to it - But even then.... there's more to schizophrenia; So maybe I don't have much too worry about.

There's just so many seemingly damn contradictions. There has to be a set of explanations for EVERYTHING that's been going on, and I've yet had the opportunity to find out(Since the psychometrist was vague, and I don't have easy access to a psychologist since I'm not overtly hallucinating nor am I in a psychotic mayhem). :confused:

I'll find out within 10 years though! haha. :D
Halfreality, you brought up an old post which has already been resolved. I appreciate your thoughts, but I'm not going to bring up old commentary.

And kittie, I'm glad you were able to get a professional to test you and to look over your suspicions. IQ tests are seeimingly difficult to read. I can't comment on your scores, because I wouldn't be surprised if you did indeed score high. When I took my tests, my IQ was scored higher than my grades would have shown through school. It's a large difference between studying something, doing the test and being scored and being tested on general applications in a different way.

It's good to hear that your symptoms aren't as close to schizophrenia as you suspected. Even though your symptoms can be troublesome, it is good to know that what you are experiencing is not (suspected) to be in result of such a disease.

I can understand that your symptoms, including memory loss, can be in result of your intelligence. But just remember even if that is so, you can still recieve help for your difficulties. You don't have to have a diagnosis and don't have to wait until it get's worse to get what you need to help you.

SGH





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