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Well here's the thing, right? I agree. a lot of intelligent people may very well have a higher chance of developing a mental illness?? But this isn't always indicative of brain illness, which is what sz is.

This is my dime store shrink take on everything... Highly intelligent kids tend to be very curious, thoughtful, insightful, and creative. This can cause isolation with their peers (probably alphamaleism or something) These intelligent, sensitive kids then go on to junior high where you throw a heafty dose of hormones in the mix. This is the place and time where the intelligent kids are now starting to see what REAL torment can be like. Finally by high school, they get so damn sick of it, that one of two things usually happens (In my observations, anyway) Fight or Flight. They either hide and cry or they lash out. Or worse, they come to school one day with a loaded shotgun..

Regardless, this fight or flight over time (because theis is the reaction to danger, right??) can be a real stress on the brain, the mind and the soul. Mental illness can sometimes follow this as the poor kid's brain has been in fight or flight mode (perception of danger> stressors on the brain > stress - sleep disruption > can't deal anymore) for so damn long that he/she just cracks under the pressure. This can cause suicidal thoughts, depression, isolation and anger which can lead to personality disorders, OCD behaviour.. what have you. This is a kind of environmental reaction to stress. This can often cause mental illness. I'll bet.

But a brain sickness is kind of a different thing. I mean, yeah. Your environment can play a role in whether or not a dormant gene comes to the surface. High levels of stress, taking drugs, Especially psychedelics (which I swear to god is what went on with me) social withdrawl, etc. But this is an indirect cause, a correlation between genes and what your environment does to those genes. I agree there are many very intelligent psychotic people. But usually, even if they can showcase their intelligence to any degree, they're usually too shattered by the time the illness has taken flight to do much about actualizing their potential. That's all I meant. Also, and again, thsi is just from experience. But the psych ward is full of psychotic people. And there aren't many woh I would call gifted. I've met a couple. But for the most part, it's a false truth because psychosis does cause heightened awareness of one's surroundings, which can induce high levels of creativity... this isn't always a sign of intelligence, just a unique perspective of the world. Although it can also be a sign of intelligence. I guess what I'm saying is that psychosis can hide intelligence a lot of the time... Which doesn't prove my point but then, I didn't really have apoint to being wiht. Just an interesting, somewhat academic take on things. (I have no previous training in psychology or anything like that. but I do have a science background as well as a creative background and when you do, you tend to see cause and effect relationships everywhere you go)

Whew! I'm sorry I jumped the gun with you, curiouskitty (I love your name, btw) I'm very defensive of myself and my situation and I think that's part of what can make the world a terrible place sometimes. I think you should find some help (Not to offend you) but just that I think, whatever is going on with you and I don't know you so I can't really say... but whatever it is, you seem to be suffering some scary symptomsof something. And left untreated, you might fall into a dark chasm, which would be totally unfair because you seem to have a lot to offfer.

I like the academic turn this discussion has taken.

peace
pea
PLEASE READ THIS, CURIOUSKITTY. THIS HAS SOME POTENTIAL ANSWERS IN IT. WHO KNOWS. YOU MIGHT HAVE AN EPIPHONY.

It sounds like there are a lot of emotional links in what you're describing, curiouskitty... like you can look back through your life and find those relationships, to how you feel now from what you lived earlier.

You also strike me as someone who's looking for acceptance and want it with a group that counteracts the group you didn't find acceptance with (pardon me but this is what screams from these posts) now you're looking for a seemingly typically "weird" group of individuals to relate to. I'm sorry but I find this rather offensive. I'm not angry or anything... but what is anger anyway but a reflection of a softer emotion, like hurt or sadness, linked with frustration and lack of coping skills?)

Like I said earlier, you remind me a lot of a friend I have with OCD. She becomes completely obsessed with a new something every once in awhile. For a long time, she was obsessed with Italian history and suddenly, after telling us she was part French, she changed her mind and said she was now Italian and, furthermore, that her father was with the Mafia. Then suddenly, that just disappeared and she never spoke of it again. It's something new all the time. (Okay. this is why I'm not angry. Because although she's perfectly aware of what she's doing, she can't really help it... I guess. So I can't be angry)

Whatever.. the point is, people with schizophrenia tend not to have any idea there is anything wrong with them. Schizophrenia is the last thing we'd ever think of when we're first manifesting symptoms or when sick. When I'm sick, life is beautiful. I'm enlightened, I'm linking to the Great Consciousness, I'm part of various plots (for example, I control the weather, my thoughts ARE being broadcast to Fox Netwok, that sort of thing. I didn't become INTERESTED in these things and be obsessed, I HONESTLY, CERTAINLY, TOTALLY believed them. It was a total skew of perception that was so all encompassing, it was too big for me to see around. For you see, perception is EVERYTHING in the whole universe as far as a percieving being is concerned. As far as my perception is concerned, the world stops when I close my eyes (of course, this is something of a fallacy but I'm just making a point about conscious perception)

Yes. You may have social problems. You may have a lot of thoughts going on at once. But this isn't indicative of sz on it's own, okay? Schizophrenia isn't that much of an umbrella term. It's pretty specific. And the fulcrum of the diagnosis are the psychotic symptoms in combination with negative symptoms. That's when a diagnosis can be nailed. Yes, many of us can show negative symptoms when we're not in full blown psychosis but they're quite different even to what you're describing. The only thing that is even close to such a thing is your social phobias and that sounds a lot more like you're just plain tired of human beings than anything.

Okay.. Let's try this. For example, my lack of mental blocks in my own mind is what makes me ill. Your overabundance of these mental blocks is what makes you ill. They're polar opposites.

Don't stress out about this. Its obvious you're not in any kind of psychotic state right now and from what you've described, you've never been. Again, I can't say. It's a freakin' message board!! SEE A DOCTOR IF YOU'RE CONCERNED. We're not physicians.

Finally, have you ever heard of the whole Common denominator thing? If making a claim or considering a state of things that EVERYONE disagrees with, you, in this situation, are the common denominator. And as such, perhaps it's not everyone else that's wrong... Just perhaps. That's what my intelligence tells me.

peace
pea
[QUOTE=i-be-peabody]Well here's the thing, right? I agree. a lot of intelligent people may very well have a higher chance of developing a mental illness. But this isn't always indicative of [I]brain[/I] illness, which is what sz is. (yes, mental illness first but that's just semantics)

This is my dime store shrink take on everything... Highly intelligent kids tend to be very curious, thoughtful, insightful, and creative. This can cause isolation with their peers (probably alphamaleism or something) These intelligent, sensitive kids then go on to junior high where you throw a heafty dose of hormones in the mix. This is the place and time where the intelligent kids are now starting to see what REAL torment can be like. Finally by high school, they get so damn sick of it, that one of two things usually happens (In my observations, anyway) Fight or Flight. They either hide and cry or they lash out. One day, they may come to school one day with a loaded shotgun..

Regardless, this fight or flight over time (because theis is the reaction to danger, right??) can be a real stress on the brain, the mind and the soul. Mental illness can sometimes follow this as the poor kid's brain has been in fight or flight mode (perception of danger> stressors on the brain > stress - sleep disruption > can't deal anymore) for so damn long that he/she just cracks under the pressure. This can cause suicidal thoughts, depression, isolation and anger which can lead to personality disorders, OCD behaviour.. what have you. This is a kind of environmental reaction to stress. This can often cause mental illness. I'll bet.

But a brain sickness is kind of a different thing. I mean, yeah. Your environment can play a role in whether or not a dormant gene comes to the surface. High levels of stress, taking drugs, Especially psychedelics (which I swear to god is what went on with me) social withdrawl, etc. But this is an [I]indirect[/I] cause, a correlation between genes and what your environment does to those genes. I agree there are many very intelligent psychotic people and that, in some cases, intelligence can lend itself to psychosis but this isn't a necessary condition.Usually, even if a psychotic person can showcase their intelligence to any degree, they're usually too shattered by the time the illness has taken flight to do much about actualizing their potential. (i certainly was. I'm just now getting everything back together :) )That's all I meant. Also, and again, thsi is just from experience. But the psych ward is full of psychotic people. And there aren't many who I would call gifted. I've met a couple. But for the most part, it's a false truth because psychosis does cause heightened awareness of one's surroundings, which can induce high levels of creativity... this isn't always a sign of intelligence, just a unique perspective of the world. Although it can also be a sign of intelligence. I guess what I'm saying is that psychosis can hide intelligence a lot of the time... Which doesn't prove my point but then, I didn't really have apoint to being wiht. Just an interesting, somewhat academic take on things. (I have no previous training in psychology or anything like that. but I do have a science background as well as a creative background and when you do, you tend to see cause and effect relationships everywhere you go)[/QUOTE]

Yeah.. I think this is what I was thinking of :)

peace
pea





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